jiopsi wrote:

nichabr wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:That's a good point on 50/50 calls... As Babun said, football has become a pussy sport and for some reasons defenders are much more careful than before. On the DM thing, how many Gattusos can you find around? Van Bommel, and he's from the same generation, De Jong and he's obsolete. Hard tacklers are going extinct due to pussy refereeing. Pepe is seen as the antichrist for shit I've seen dozens of times over in the past decade.

Defenders defend like pussies out of fear of red cards. All the good defenders nowadays are mostly surgical guys who take the ball away without fouling.

basically just discribed thiago silva...the guy barely lets defenders get the ball before him...

also concerning defening nowadays look at what nesta past his prime did this CL to messi when was the last time anyone saw messi beat the ground like that from a tackle...defending on a whole is at a all time low...

Please take a grip to reality. Look what Messi did to Milan's whole defence Nesta included:



And Nesta stopped him once in the whole game legally, and should have actually been sent off with two yellows:

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harhar11 wrote:

Crimson wrote:

free_cat wrote:

Crimson wrote:So are the Barcelona fans saying the defenders of today are better than those that Raul and Sheva faced in their prime?

lmao....

I'm saying they are not worse.

Messi was already ripping defences apart when Raul or Sheva were in their prime, for your information. So barely valid argument. It's not like they are players from 20 years difference, they played in the same time.

No he wasn't......

Go look at his goals scored ffs

I haven't seen any defenders that could lay claim to being considered some of the best ever since Messi ramped up his scoring in the UCl over the last 3 years.

Those defenders were ending their careers or way past their prime.

I said the exact same thing about Ronaldo's and Messi's goal scoring exploits of late.

Defenders of today are not only not as good but are given less room for error when facing forwards compared to years gone by.

goals =/= proof that someone ripped a defence apart.

dont belive that messi could rip apart some of the best defence of raul an hevas time? watch chelsea - barca 2006, where a 18 year old messi, without scoring a goal or assisted a goal, humiliated the best defence of that time, trained by the most defensive coach.

Here´s a link