Re: How possible is it for CR7 to win the baloon d'or again?!

by The Franchise Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:22

Nes-T33 wrote:How about we wait for at least June to seriously discuss this?remember that the players get judged from January untill December, and guess what,were in February....Right now all we can do is guess not judge

Obviously thats the ideal thing to do, but that doesnt help us answer the question.

If this was everyones stance, why didnt they just say that to start with?

To answer this question, you have to guess.

by guest7 Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:22

Dani don't you agree titles have somewhat always been decisive in winning the balon d'or?

I mean, if CR7 wins La Liga and CL, I think that would be enough to win Balon d'Or. Don't you agree on that?

by Harmonica Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:23

Se7en wrote:Dani don't you agree titles have somewhat always been decisive in winning the balon d'or?

They haven't.

https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t15515-who-would-have-won-ballon-d-or-s-if-everyone-were-eligible?highlight=eligible

by Lord Awesome Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:24

Honestly, I was expecting a Surpriissse! answer. Laughing

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I was expecting Xavi or Puyol.

by Ganso Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:25

jiopsi wrote:
Nes-T33 wrote:How about we wait for at least June to seriously discuss this?remember that the players get judged from January untill December, and guess what,were in February....Right now all we can do is guess not judge
How exactly are players judged from January to December, when the voting is late November?

You got what I was trying to say Rolling Eyes

by Lord Awesome Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:26

Se7en wrote:Dani don't you agree titles have somewhat always been decisive in winning the balon d'or?

I mean, if CR7 wins La Liga and CL, I think that would be enough to win Balon d'Or. Don't you agree on that?

To truly deserve the title IMO you'd have to be the key factor in your teams success whilist at the same time proving you are the best because you play the best.

That's my view.

by The Franchise Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:26

Se7en wrote:Dani don't you agree titles have somewhat always been decisive in winning the balon d'or?

I mean, if CR7 wins La Liga and CL, I think that would be enough to win Balon d'Or. Don't you agree on that?

Yes, I 100% agree they are.

But I dont think they should. They are too decisive.

So no, he shouldnt win the Ballon D'or just because his team win those team accomplishments.

Some people think (fairly) Benz has been playing better than him this season...if that continues, why should Cristiano win it? Because he is the most popular?

by Harmonica Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:27

Nes-T33 wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Nes-T33 wrote:How about we wait for at least June to seriously discuss this?remember that the players get judged from January untill December, and guess what,were in February....Right now all we can do is guess not judge
How exactly are players judged from January to December, when the voting is late November?
You got what I was trying to say

Yes, but people are going about the overall impression they got. I think it's more about season than year tbh.

by Pedram Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:29

Winning title isn't decisive but it surely helps. having said that i seriously believe if Barca don't win something important this season Messi's chance of winning another Balon D'or will be lesser than Ronaldos.

by VanDeezNuts Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:30

no chance he wins it, not this year, not even if he breaks his own goal record and madrid wins la liga and cl. messi will win again

by Lord Awesome Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:32

Winning simply wins votes honestly. Ballon D'Or is litterally a winner/popularity contest.

Who the flip votes btw?

by Ganso Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:33

National team captains,journalists and a few FIFA people.

by The Franchise Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:34

El Pipita wrote:Winning title isn't decisive but it surely helps. having said that i seriously believe if Barca don't win something important this season Messi's chance of winning another Balon D'or will be lesser than Ronaldos.

Which is exactly what is wrong with it.

If Messi doesnt win any title, how likely would it be its his fault in anyway? Very unlikely.

Being punished for things you have little to no control over doesnt sit well with me.

by Harmonica Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:35

It's 1/3 of NT captains, 1/3 NT coaches and 1/3 journos.

by Guest Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:36

all depends on Euro imo

If Madrid do mange to win some trophies then Ozil will have a big part in that and Ozil with Germany has a better chance of doing well then France or Portugal imo.

So to me it would favour Ozil not Ronaldo for the 'Dor if Madrid were to be successful.

by Lord Awesome Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:36

Nes-T33 wrote:National team captains,journalists and a few FIFA people.

Hmm...... I was expecting fans as well.

It may as well be fans though.

2010 was Xavi's year IMO.

by Pedram Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:44

The Franchise wrote:
El Pipita wrote:Winning title isn't decisive but it surely helps. having said that i seriously believe if Barca don't win something important this season Messi's chance of winning another Balon D'or will be lesser than Ronaldos.

Which is exactly what is wrong with it.

If Messi doesnt win any title, how likely would it be its his fault in anyway? Very unlikely.

Being punished for things you have little to no control over doesnt sit well with me.

How does Messi doesn't have control over the titles Barca wins ? the last three times he won Balon D'or he was the direct cause of Barca winning titles.

by Ganso Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:46

Tbh if fans voted then it would be a pure popularity contest,like that fifa starting 11 that everyone votes

by Lord Awesome Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:47

Nes-T33 wrote:Tbh if fans voted then it would be a pure popularity contest,like that fifa starting 11 that everyone votes

I think it already is. Laughing

by EarlyPrototype Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:47

The Franchise wrote:
Nes-T33 wrote:How about we wait for at least June to seriously discuss this?remember that the players get judged from January untill December, and guess what,were in February....Right now all we can do is guess not judge

Obviously thats the ideal thing to do, but that doesnt help us answer the question.

If this was everyones stance, why didnt they just say that to start with?

To answer this question, you have to guess.

Well not really. Messi can perform all he wants. If he does not have the trophies to back it up no one really gives a shit about the performances.

Also Messi wasn't exactly Ballon D'or material was he?

by Potential Tue 07 Feb 2012, 20:49

EarlyPrototype wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
Nes-T33 wrote:How about we wait for at least June to seriously discuss this?remember that the players get judged from January untill December, and guess what,were in February....Right now all we can do is guess not judge

Obviously thats the ideal thing to do, but that doesnt help us answer the question.

If this was everyones stance, why didnt they just say that to start with?

To answer this question, you have to guess.

Well not really. Messi can perform all he wants. If he does not have the trophies to back it up no one really gives a shit about the performances.

Also Messi isn't exactly Ballon D'or material was he?

I agree... overrated brat :vagi: