How shameful. This guy when he retires is going to go down as one of the best La Liga defenders ever by the mindless masses.

But in reality, he is closer to Pavon than Heirro, Heirro was a real defender, an elite..this guy just pretends to be.

At least he will stay in Madrid for many years, gifting spaces and chances like no tomorrow for Barcelona.

The Franchise wrote:

How shameful. This guy when he retires is going to go down as one of the best La Liga defenders ever by the mindless masses.

But in reality, he is closer to Pavon than Heirro, Heirro was a real defender, an elite..this guy just pretends to be.

At least he will stay in Madrid for many years, gifting spaces and chances like no tomorrow for Barcelona.

He already has that status lol. Seen many top 50 la liga defenders ever list over the years with him there

Deserved actually. Shows how biased some posters are, compared to players who vote for these awards and actually know how it's to play against him. Not in Top 50 La Liga defenders ever? This forum goes like a freaking lunatic atm.

Jiopsi ffs. Nothing but the logical truth

#Messi4BalonDOr mate

Deserved? Last time I checked Otamendi played in the league last season.

Wasn't Barca's defense rock solid for most of last year and wasn't Pique pretty much faultless January onwards?

Also, what bias? I am sitting here saying Heirro was considerably better. If it was bias, why wouldnt I even mention another Madrid defender?

Let Varane go a year without an injury and he is better. Im not French neither, so where is bias?

Of course strikers dont like to play against him, he is fast and physical, if you beat him, he will kick you. No forward likes that.

But in terms of quality, not a special defender at all. 10 years later and he still cant figure out when to push up and when to drop back, when to play offside, when to follow a run.

It's always overlooked the fact that Ramos was Spain's best defender in their Golden Era, while playing both RB and CB. Puyol was a better defender but for Spain it was Ramos who performed best out of their defensive line. One of the best defenders of this generation. But as he is a Madrid player he will never get the recognition he deserves, people will always point out the mistakes he makes and forget his real value.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Wasn't Barca's defense rock solid for most of last year and wasn't Pique pretty much faultless January onwards?

Clown. That was the work of the best static defender of all time, Messi.

Oh yeah forgot Otamendi, well it's a coin toss between them, but seeing how Ramos had to carry Cronaldo, when Otamendi was part of team defence, I would say Ramos deserved it. Pique was good also, but part of team dynamic again.

Valkyrja wrote:It's always overlooked the fact that Ramos was Spain's best defender in their Golden Era, while playing both RB and CB. Puyol was a better defender but for Spain it was Ramos who performed best out of their defensive line. One of the best defenders of this generation. But as he is a Madrid player he will never get the recognition he deserves, people will always point out the mistakes he makes and forget his real value.

No he didn't.... stop being a history revisionist. Next your gonna say Capdevila is the GOAT LB

Defending is a team skill.....

Always has been always will be, any defender will look like shite if he's isolated it's how it works.

Otemendi was a class above everyone last season, his big game performances had nothing to do with team dynamic.

His performance vs MSN away from home was a better defensive performance than anything Ramos did in his life most probably.

Valencia defended as a team, parked a bus. It's easier to defend individually that way when the team is compact. Nevertheless Barcelona won both games. Ramos scoring 3 times in semi-final and final to carry Madrid to CL-title in 2014 is probably the best performance of a defender ever in Spanish history. But try to explain that to fixated posters who only have a narrow view, and only complain when attackers don't run to help defenders.

Totally irrelevant to what Otemendi did. He was tackling Neymar and Messi in 1 v 1's with no back up. Everyone already knows its harder to defend when your team isnt organised, but lets also not pretend Madrid are out there playing kamakize football. They arent a great defensive team, but they arent bad either.

Mentioning Ramos scoring goals is ridiculous, especially when I said defensive performance.

Wait, people rate Ramos as a defender?

Fraud should have been sold from Madrid years ago if we're looking at performances.

so so typical. What is it about him that people like to overrate because as a defender i dont see a single quality he posesses. Also it is shameful how Pepe is never mentioned when there is talks about best defenders. He is OUR best defender thats for sure and i think most of Madrid fans can agree with that yet its Ramos with all the awards. What a farce

Defininton of a hit or miss. He either plays really excellent or he cant even pass a ball to a DM. He also has a knack for getting a red card at the worst moment possible.

Harmonica wrote:Valencia defended as a team, parked a bus. It's easier to defend individually that way when the team is compact. Nevertheless Barcelona won both games. Ramos scoring 3 times in semi-final and final to carry Madrid to CL-title in 2014 is probably the best performance of a defender ever in Spanish history. But try to explain that to fixated posters who only have a narrow view, and only complain when attackers don't run to help defenders.

"Valencia parked a bus"

This is how your logic works.

Who cares about Ramos scoring in CL??? This award is based on domestic leauge performances, Mr Logic.

linetty wrote:

Harmonica wrote:Valencia defended as a team, parked a bus. It's easier to defend individually that way when the team is compact. Nevertheless Barcelona won both games. Ramos scoring 3 times in semi-final and final to carry Madrid to CL-title in 2014 is probably the best performance of a defender ever in Spanish history. But try to explain that to fixated posters who only have a narrow view, and only complain when attackers don't run to help defenders.

"Valencia parked a bus"

This is how your logic works.

Who cares about Ramos scoring in CL??? This award is based on domestic leauge performances, Mr Logic.

Linetty why do you even bother lol

Harmonica wrote:Valencia defended as a team, parked a bus. It's easier to defend individually that way when the team is compact. Nevertheless Barcelona won both games. Ramos scoring 3 times in semi-final and final to carry Madrid to CL-title in 2014 is probably the best performance of a defender ever in Spanish history. But try to explain that to fixated posters who only have a narrow view, and only complain when attackers don't run to help defenders.

Ramos wins another CL for Real.

Best Real Madrid player of the past decade, not even a question anymore.

I thought it was the reff seeing as his goal was marginally offside

Easily one of the best footballers of this generation.

At least hes better than Pepe

Nah seriously though he must go down as one of the best defenders of Spain, no ones perfect and hes had some bad moments, but to be captain of Real, being the main defender for so many years for them, he can be that bad. Overall he is one of the best out there like it or not.

I still think the guy should play DM or SB. His actual game reading isn't too stellar at all.

I still consider him WC though. For a Defender he has all the other tools to excell. Mainly the Physical & Mental aspects of his game but he's also somewhat Technical and has an Offensive dimension to his game which is why he scores so much.

Lord Awesome wrote:I still think the guy should play DM or SB. His actual game reading isn't too stellar at all.

I always preferred him as RB. His ball playing skills are too good to be left out the back and his awareness is too bad to be trusted as the last man standing in defence.