pretty sure last night the mastermind option had like 14-15 votes, now it's 21

IMO he is only second to pep.

Se7en wrote:The article shows Mourinho knows how to organize a attack (how the changed Özils dutys multiple times) yet Dani, as deluded as usual, says the opposite.

A major facepalm to you, sir.

At half-time Mourinho switched them back again – after that period of caution, he now wanted a goal. Ozil was restored to the centre, which was a very risky move that could have gone dreadfully wrong. Instead, it went well – Ozil was told not to bother dropping back into midfield, and instead get into positions to launch breaks – this worked brilliantly for Real’s goal – finished in a scrappy manner, but owing much to the fact that Real defended a free-kick with only six players, leaving their front four in a position to break. The break featured all four players, getting 4 v 4 against the Bayern defence. That was precisely what the system was meant to do.

He does watch our games often Nick, you can see that on twitter. And no we don't get overrun, I think your complaining about us having a weak midfield has always been a unfair critique, sometimes it's not the midfielders fault but rather the whole team.

No, the article doesnt. Read you tool lol

It says he changed Di Maria and Ozil around 3 different, and in each change the Madrid attack didnt do anything lol

Tell me, at what stage of the game was you watching and thought, how the Madrid attack is organised and functioning well?

This is the whoscore.com arguement all over again, think for yourself for a change.

Se7en wrote:The article shows Mourinho knows how to organize a attack (how the changed Özils dutys multiple times) yet Dani, as deluded as usual, says the opposite.

A major facepalm to you, sir.

At half-time Mourinho switched them back again – after that period of caution, he now wanted a goal. Ozil was restored to the centre, which was a very risky move that could have gone dreadfully wrong. Instead, it went well – Ozil was told not to bother dropping back into midfield, and instead get into positions to launch breaks – this worked brilliantly for Real’s goal – finished in a scrappy manner, but owing much to the fact that Real defended a free-kick with only six players, leaving their front four in a position to break. The break featured all four players, getting 4 v 4 against the Bayern defence. That was precisely what the system was meant to do.

He does watch our games often Nick, you can see that on twitter. And no we don't get overrun, I think your complaining about us having a weak midfield has always been a unfair critique, sometimes it's not the midfielders fault but rather the whole team.

I saw Ozil and Di Maria swapping positions, but to me that's just a trick to mess with the opposing defense organization.

When i mention organization the attack, im talking about disciplined movements from the ball going wide and the fullbacks overlapping to cross, playing in triangles, moving into space to open channels etc... everything that has to do with breaking apart a defense.

It's my impression that there is little organization in the way that we attack and build up play, at least against teams that are just as able to retain and press the ball as us, and i have seen it multiple times in la liga. We have technically gifted players that can try to maintain some possession, but against teams that park the bus we can be inefficient, so we attack as direct as we can to get goals.

what he did is not organizing build up while in possession but setting up counters. He does it so often in la liga, he drops the block of 6 in defense, and leaves the 4 forwards higher up the pitch to run the counter. He basically relinquished possession to Bayern, and decided to play long balls forward. And it worked once, then Bayern got Mueller on the pitch and Bayern just dominated the rest of the game while blocking our counters. Mourinho was happy with the result so he just let the team to sit deep, but we took a goal.

As for Mr Cox, i respect his opinion, but he is not the dictionary of football tactics. Our midfield gets overrun consistently in la liga, and we play the same exact tactics we did in CL often. Rayo did it, Betis destroyed our midfield, Valencia overran us, Malaga did it.

And how is my critique about the midfield unfair?

Ozil and Di Maria swapping positions 3 times, each time making no positive difference in the attack sense = Mourinho is a great offensive tactican.

Only in Mou fanboy's special bubble.

The Franchise wrote:Ozil and Di Maria swapping positions 3 times, each time making no positive difference in the attack sense = Mourinho is a great offensive tactican.

Only in Mou fanboy's special bubble.

The Franchise wrote:Ozil and Di Maria swapping positions 3 times, each time making no positive difference in the attack sense = Mourinho is a great offensive tactican.

Only in Mou fanboy's special bubble.

In the end it's the players who play. The tactical move can be good or even great with the outcome being mediocre based on what the players do with the space they get.

paperbackwriter wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Ozil and Di Maria swapping positions 3 times, each time making no positive difference in the attack sense = Mourinho is a great offensive tactican.

Only in Mou fanboy's special bubble.

In the end it's the players who play. The tactical move can be good or even great with the outcome being mediocre based on what the players do with the space they get.

Thats fair, but you cant have it both ways.

I am seeing alot of, "when it goes well, Mou is great" and "when it goes wrong, its the players".

All I am saying is, to me (and im not alone here) Mourinho doesnt shout to me "offensive mastermind" in terms of tactical moves.

Nearly all the great things I can think of him doing, for all his clubs, have been defensive.

The Franchise wrote:

paperbackwriter wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Ozil and Di Maria swapping positions 3 times, each time making no positive difference in the attack sense = Mourinho is a great offensive tactican.

Only in Mou fanboy's special bubble.

In the end it's the players who play. The tactical move can be good or even great with the outcome being mediocre based on what the players do with the space they get.

Thats fair, but you cant have it both ways.

I am seeing alot of, "when it goes well, Mou is great" and "when it goes wrong, its the players".

All I am saying is, to me (and im not alone here) Mourinho doesnt shout to me "offensive mastermind" in terms of tactical moves.

Nearly all the great things I can think of him doing, for all his clubs, have been defensive.

I dont blame Mou being defensive at all. If I were a coach I would pick defense ahead of offense anyway.

Okay, but thats not the point im making.

I disagree with that philosphy anyway, but again, not the point.

The Franchise wrote:Ozil and Di Maria swapping positions 3 times, each time making no positive difference in the attack sense = Mourinho is a great offensive tactican.

Only in Mou fanboy's special bubble.

If you read the article properly smartass, you would know that it eventually worked out. Once again, let me quote the part you still seem to be avoiding:

At half-time Mourinho switched them back again – after that period of caution, he now wanted a goal. Ozil was restored to the centre, which was a very risky move that could have gone dreadfully wrong. Instead, it went well – Ozil was told not to bother dropping back into midfield, and instead get into positions to launch breaks – this worked brilliantly for Real’s goal – finished in a scrappy manner, but owing much to the fact that Real defended a free-kick with only six players, leaving their front four in a position to break. The break featured all four players, getting 4 v 4 against the Bayern defence. That was precisely what the system was meant to do.

Our goal yesterday owes alot to Mourinho, for making that change.... Of course, Benzema deserves most of the credits for that goal, though.

And regarding our midfield, our midfield is top 5 IMO, and we don't get overrun, otherwise we wouldn't be in the top 5 list of the teams with most possession... Hence why he said that. And I agree.

i think our goal was due mainly to a mental lapse by bayern more than a tactical or spectacular event on our part.

neuer blocked the initial play then the bayern defenders turned into traffic cones which enabled the goal.

So you are giving credit to Mou for first shifting Ozil to the wing and then moving him back? Pretty much everyone in here were saying Ozil should be moved to the centre at half time.

kiranr wrote:So you are giving credit to Mou for first shifting Ozil to the wing and then moving him back? Pretty much everyone in here were saying Ozil should be moved to the centre at half time.

No... for him telling him to be more of a forward than a midfielder....

I'm taking a bit of credit from Mou after yesterday. He planed it all wrong IMO.

Possession involves the whole team, not the 2 center midfielders. Most teams dont bother trying to keep more possession than us, they get enough on the ball to launch their attacks. and then defend in numbers to block our ability to counter. Our midfield can get overrun yet we can have more possession, it's so utterly pointless to through that possession average around as a justification of the quality of our CM pair, which is flawed to begin with.

Se7en wrote:

kiranr wrote:So you are giving credit to Mou for first shifting Ozil to the wing and then moving him back? Pretty much everyone in here were saying Ozil should be moved to the centre at half time.

No... for him telling him to be more of a forward than a midfielder....

Yes, you do have a point there.

Se7en wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Ozil and Di Maria swapping positions 3 times, each time making no positive difference in the attack sense = Mourinho is a great offensive tactican.

Only in Mou fanboy's special bubble.

If you read the article properly smartass, you would know that it eventually worked out. Once again, let me quote the part you still seem to be avoiding:

At half-time Mourinho switched them back again – after that period of caution, he now wanted a goal. Ozil was restored to the centre, which was a very risky move that could have gone dreadfully wrong. Instead, it went well – Ozil was told not to bother dropping back into midfield, and instead get into positions to launch breaks – this worked brilliantly for Real’s goal – finished in a scrappy manner, but owing much to the fact that Real defended a free-kick with only six players, leaving their front four in a position to break. The break featured all four players, getting 4 v 4 against the Bayern defence. That was precisely what the system was meant to do.

Our goal yesterday owes alot to Mourinho, for making that change.... Of course, Benzema deserves most of the credits for that goal, though.

And regarding our midfield, our midfield is top 5 IMO, and we don't get overrun, otherwise we wouldn't be in the top 5 list of the teams with most possession... Hence why he said that. And I agree.

Your fail really has no limits.

Ozil and Di Maria swapping around worked out..despite both having both bad games and neither doing anything special to create a goal...

The goal owes alot to Mourinho...you make me laugh lol

You clearly cannot think for yourself, thats why you insist on relying on websites for all your opinions. First whoscored and now this.

I usually give Mourinho a good bit of credit for his work at Real Madrid but it would be asinine to say the away goal is all due (or alot due) to Mourinho. Yes he made his usual tweaks at HT (which all coaches do) but generally speaking, it is the players that make his tweaks work.

I still think he is a great tactician with a great footballing mind but I think us Mou fan boys tend to go overboard with the appreciation...

I personally think Jose is a great tactician and alot of the problems from this game can be addressed by the poor form Real Madrid has been in for quite some time now.

Ronaldo has been carrying us along at full stretch in La Liga, that in itself says alot.

I don't think any amount of different tactics would of helped during the game as the players once again were simply not up to the task and playing well below par.

Coentrao who is supposed to be the reliable LB, who rarely added anything to the attack failed in his job and was beaten a number of times, not to mention his brainfart in the 89th.

Xabi Alonso and Khedira have been taking turns in who ever decides to have a good game on the day rather than both playing well.

Arbeloa's form of later has been worse than Marcelo on a hot day against Sevilla and that's saying alot.

Di Maria is coming back from injury and Ozil while he has moments of utter brilliance has not been playing up the standard I expect of him.

Benzema for all the hype has cost alot recently and despite his involvement in our only goal on the night was rather absent and wasteful, four good/decent chances and didn't convert one of them.

Pepe I feel has been excellent and as for Ramos his once brilliant form has dropped alot, again no idea why, whether all the praise has gone to his head or he literally removed his brain and left it in a jar somewhere I do not know, but his form from the start of the season to now is very Jekyll and Hyde. At this stage I would even start Varane over him.

You could see in parts of the game where Madrid remembered how to play football and seemed to get things ticking along like the Madrid we know but it never lasted long.

I honestly have no idea what is going on, whether it's something behind the scenes we are not seeing or otherwise but nothing seems to be working out.

Jose even tried changing formation recently and that ended pretty badly, for those that remember the failed 433 with Lass.

I admit it's Jose's job to work this out but the problems I am seeing no coach in the world would have any luck with, the basic premise is right and you can see that in the games, but the players are failing at the very basic of tasks on the field. They can't even keep a basic structure on the field how would you expect to put any of that blame on Mourinho's tactics?

Unfortunately this problem lack of form has come at the absolute worse time of the season and in direct correlation to Barcelona's rise in form.

As I have reiterated I have no idea what's going on but the players seriously need to get their head out of there asses realise they are pro footballers and start doing their damn job on the field.

But that's my own opinion, formed by myself without the help of anyone elses opinion or anything so if you don't agree I understand.

The Franchise wrote:

Se7en wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Ozil and Di Maria swapping positions 3 times, each time making no positive difference in the attack sense = Mourinho is a great offensive tactican.

Only in Mou fanboy's special bubble.

If you read the article properly smartass, you would know that it eventually worked out. Once again, let me quote the part you still seem to be avoiding:

At half-time Mourinho switched them back again – after that period of caution, he now wanted a goal. Ozil was restored to the centre, which was a very risky move that could have gone dreadfully wrong. Instead, it went well – Ozil was told not to bother dropping back into midfield, and instead get into positions to launch breaks – this worked brilliantly for Real’s goal – finished in a scrappy manner, but owing much to the fact that Real defended a free-kick with only six players, leaving their front four in a position to break. The break featured all four players, getting 4 v 4 against the Bayern defence. That was precisely what the system was meant to do.

Our goal yesterday owes alot to Mourinho, for making that change.... Of course, Benzema deserves most of the credits for that goal, though.

And regarding our midfield, our midfield is top 5 IMO, and we don't get overrun, otherwise we wouldn't be in the top 5 list of the teams with most possession... Hence why he said that. And I agree.

Your fail really has no limits.

Ozil and Di Maria swapping around worked out..despite both having both bad games and neither doing anything special to create a goal...

The goal owes alot to Mourinho...you make me laugh lol

You clearly cannot think for yourself, thats why you insist on relying on websites for all your opinions. First whoscored and now this.

Maybe I'm not extremly stubborn unlike you, who still insists I'm wrong despite that we all saw the change ourselves in the game and zonalmarking also saying it.

Both of them doing nothing special to create the goal... How about scoring the goal? Incredible how extremly butthurt you're towards Mourinho that you've to pin out everything he does as a bad move.

Let me sum it up for you

Özil > RW so Di maria > AM for defensive cover
Özil from RW to SS for goals... and goal happened.

Whatever man, your clearly incapable of thinking for yourself.

Take a look at crimsons post for example, even if I disagree with some of it, I can at least tip my hat and respect what he saying. Because its his opinion he thought out himself..as opposed to you, who just rattles of zonalmarking like that proves anything.

If you think Mourinho did anything special in changing Di Maria and Ozil around, there is no helping you.

The Franchise wrote:Take a look at crimsons post for example, even if I disagree with some of it, I can at least tip my hat and respect what he saying. Because its his opinion he thought out himself.

Chapeau given.

Zonal marking has been wrong as much as they have been right. You could use the likes of zonal marking as a supplement to one's argument but football is best viewed through your own eyes, not someone else's...

I'm wrong despite that we all saw the change ourselves in the game and zonalmarking also saying it.

ANYONE HERE THAT THINKS WHAT ZONALMARKING SAID IS WRONG HERE OR NOT?

For *bleep* sake I've said it 5 times I'm basing my arguments by WHAT I SAW + ZM.

I personally think switching Di Maria and Ozil around did little to nothing, it was a throw in the dark in trying to get Madrid going cus we were simply playing badly.

I do agree that taking off Ozil and Di Maria handed the pitch to Bayern and if that was Mou's plan all along to conserve them for Barcelona then we should of had Sahin on the bench and put on Kaka as well.

But it's very easy to comment and judge in hindsight, it's a very different thing to be there on the touchline at the time and make the decision yourself.