Was Kaka Faster than Messi?

by huntsman Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:41 pm

Guys,

I bumped into this video where Kaka dribbles past Messi with ease.
My question to those who used to watch Kaka play during his prime days would be, was Kaka faster than Messi is or is it just that Messi was 18 during that time and Kaka was 23, also Messi had been playing from the beginning whereas Kaka was a sub and came in fresh?

Here is the video i am talking about

by michael1 Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:42 pm

Does it really matter ??

by Lex Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:44 pm

michael1 wrote:Does it really matter ??

Any little victory, no matter how trivial, will suffice

by RealGunner Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:45 pm

enough with the kaka threads.

by huntsman Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:45 pm

michael1 wrote:Does it really matter ??

Nothing really matters, i just want to know.

What troubles me is that Kaka was running with a ball whereas Messi was free from any object he has to kick with his feet.

But maybe its because Kaka was running when he stole the ball from messi and messi was in a static situation where he had to start from 0mph and accelerate.

I really dont know. That's why i am asking.

by Le Samourai Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:46 pm

Yes.

Although I'm not sure about acceleration. i'll call it a wash

by billionmillion Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:47 pm

before that run messi ran 50 m toward brazil box, then he started to follow fresh kaka

by huntsman Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:49 pm

billionmillion wrote:before that run messi ran 50 m toward brazil box, then he started to follow fresh kaka

I got you. Also i think Messi was 18 back then, not fully developed as opposed to a fully matured 23 years old Kaka.

by Vibe Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:49 pm

Not interesting anymore.

by huntsman Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:51 pm

VibeTribe wrote:Not interesting anymore.

It's a god damn question.

by huntsman Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:52 pm

RealGunner wrote:enough with the kaka threads.

Real Gunner,

Would you please delete the thread if you dont mind. I dont think it's going anywhere. Besides, there is no definitive answer. It's all relative.

by BiasedMilanFan3 Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:52 pm

Messi isn't actually known for his lightning speed is he?

If you compared prime Kaka with another fast player I could see the argument

by BiasedMilanFan3 Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:53 pm

huntsman wrote:
RealGunner wrote:enough with the kaka threads.

Real Gunner,

Would you please delete the thread if you dont mind. I dont think it's going anywhere. Besides, there is no definitive answer. It's all relative.

As the father of all mods and admins here, I order you to continue with the Kaka threads

by billionmillion Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:56 pm

Also Messi played the full match but kaka played some minutes as a sub so messi was tired

by huntsman Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:01 pm

billionmillion wrote:Also Messi played the full match but kaka played some minutes as a sub so messi was tired

Agreed

I think technology can tell us who is faster, but we cant judge who's faster from this video alone but Kaka did cruise easily past the defender(s) who was (were) well positioned.

by huntsman Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:02 pm

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Messi isn't actually known for his lightning speed is he?

If you compared prime Kaka with another fast player I could see the argument

You're telling me that Messi isnt fast? Is that what you re trying to say?

by BiasedMilanFan3 Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:10 pm

huntsman wrote:
BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Messi isn't actually known for his lightning speed is he?

If you compared prime Kaka with another fast player I could see the argument

You're telling me that Messi isnt fast? Is that what you re trying to say?

Messi is not renowned for his speed like Walcott and Cristiano. He is fast when you compare him to the average La Liga footballer for his dribbling ability and crazy shot accuracy, among other things

by billionmillion Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:30 pm

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:
huntsman wrote:
BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Messi isn't actually known for his lightning speed is he?

If you compared prime Kaka with another fast player I could see the argument

You're telling me that Messi isnt fast? Is that what you re trying to say?

Messi is not renowned for his speed like Walcott and Cristiano. He is fast when you compare him to the average La Liga footballer for his dribbling ability and crazy shot accuracy, among other things

I still believe that messi is as fast as kaka if not faster. follower always looks slower as they dont run at full speed (except defenders)

see how fast messi is

by Lord Hades Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:41 pm

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:
huntsman wrote:
BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Messi isn't actually known for his lightning speed is he?

If you compared prime Kaka with another fast player I could see the argument

You're telling me that Messi isnt fast? Is that what you re trying to say?

Messi is not renowned for his speed like Walcott and Cristiano. He is fast when you compare him to the average La Liga footballer for his dribbling ability and crazy shot accuracy, among other things

he is fast when you compare him to any league footballer in terms of his dribbling

by Nirgal Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:17 pm

I agree with the part that Messi is not that fast. He is above average in terms of final speed and with a great acceleration, but he is far from the fastest players of the top leagues.

Prime Kaka was probably much faster than Messi, but wasn't the only one. Many other players are.

by Albiceleste Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:00 pm

Nirgal wrote:I agree with the part that Messi is not that fast. He is above average in terms of final speed and with a great acceleration, but he is far from the fastest players of the top leagues.

Prime Kaka was probably much faster than Messi, but wasn't the only one. Many other players are.

No, Messi is very fast.

In OP's video, Messi was young and Kaka was in his prime and it was towards the end of the game so they were both quite tired, Messi isn't a defender anyway so the fact that he was tracking back shows his mental toughness and die hard attitude. Also, Kaka was ridiculously fast back then, I believe he holds some of the speed records at Milan's training ground or something still.

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