Decent....? Really?

Since when has statistics mattered? He is a creative force if you watch Milans games he has even been playing as AM there sometimes, his passing is top notch his finishing is good aswell, and he can dribble

By the way, anyone who has watched him knows he is creative/not inconsistent. Next time I hear he isn't I'll take it as you don't watch his games.

I've watched him plenty. Ibra stands in the final 1/3 like a statue... never tracks back, never defends and never really moves from a certain zone really. Get him the ball there and he's good. But he will rarely work outside of his comfort zone.

Guy is a douche.

Thinking about it, Sports is right Ibra just goal hangs and feeds off scraps from his midfielders.....

Considering this you would expect him to score 30+ every year.

Terribly overrated player.

Ibra is a moody player,some time he switches off completely to "i dont give a fk" mode.But inform ibra is great cant argue otherwise.

Well Carroll is still a Liverpool player whereas Ibra has to be offloaded from barca.So no he isnt big rip off than Ibra.

sportsczy wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Are stats that important...really?

9 assists and he isnt world class, but 10 he is?

I mean, arent assists relient on people finishing of what you create? So Ibra could of had more assists if for example, Muntari didnt miss an open goal Ibra gave him.

Why are assists important for someone who isnt giving the final pass anyway?

He's playing with the best players in the world on all of those teams almost. So i don't think he suffered from a lack of quality around him...

Really?

At Inter the second best player he has was Maicon.......a rightback.

At Milan now its....Thiago Silva..a centerback...or Pato..a striker who misses games with injuries.

Best players in the world?

Anyway, I dont know about WC and all that. But I know he is one of the best in his posi

sportsczy wrote:

dostoevsky wrote:Sports, that's only true considering league fixtures, when you consider all competitions his European statistics elevate that figure to over 10 for the past five seasons and he's well on the way again this season. Also he had 13 league assists last year and 13 in the 07/08 season.

It includes everything. Go to http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/11001/zlatan-ibrahimovic?cc=5739.

The season you're talking about, 22 goals and 9 assists (League + Europe).

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/zlatan-ibrahimovic/leistungsdaten/spieler_3455.html

I was referencing statistics from here, I can't say which is a more reliable source however.

sportsczy wrote:I've watched him plenty. Ibra stands in the final 1/3 like a statue... never tracks back, never defends and never really moves from a certain zone really. Get him the ball there and he's good. But he will rarely work outside of his comfort zone.

Guy is a douche.

Exposed. I like the mix of hate and stats to pass a judge. No matter how I dislike Zidane, I d argue with the like of arq and surag who think Zizou was not that lethal/important in France/Juve in 98-early 00s

Immaculate_Mole wrote:I see Sportsczy led everyone here along on a merry dance lmao.

As I said before, we've been establishing a purely arbitrary level of "production" for a "world class" player. The timing of his contributions are far more important than the pure figures. You could easily convince me that these statistics are unimpressive if his goals and assists didn't always arrive at crucial times in league matches. Goals and assists may make no difference to a game, or they may be worth six points against another title contender.

Not only at Milan, but being frustrated by his ridiculous ability to pull results out of the air for Inter, where he was certainly not surrounded by the best players in the world. Inter's midfield for most of their title winning seasons was startingly uncreative, who are the best players in the world that Ibrahimovic had in support? Adriano comes to mind as a world class talent, but certainly not as a player.

Statistics don't show the moves he started but didn't get the assist for, the space he created, his vision. This isn't meant to compare him to others or claim superiority to any particular player, however you're giving him very little credit for his actual abilities.

I do agree however that he has spent a large portion of his career as a 'lazy' striker, though that certainly doesn't describe the work done to create for his team mates, simply to pressure and defend with the team. To Ibra's credit though, under Allegri he is a very hard worker.

World Class isn't a simple term and there's no point debating this unless we have a common definition to apply Ibrahimovic's contribution to his team to, I simply think that you're dismissing him very easily. You gave a very broad statement though, so I don't want to presume anything on your part and I don't want to derail the thread any further, given that this is technically about his performance at Barcelona.

Even that wasn't a bad season, he was breaking club records at the beginning of the season for a new signing. Barcelona overpaid hilariously though. Even if Eto'o wanted to leave and had a year left on his contract, you'd think you could engineer something closer to a straight swap.

Atm, yes.

Can change in the future though. Carroll is very raw.
Definitely better than Torres though.

ynwa wrote:Atm, yes.

Can change in the future though. Carroll is very raw.
Definitely better than Torres though.

Some of you should stop this blind hate on torres.lol

Just because he has 1 or 2 goals more than him, doesnt necessarily make him better.Caroll is not only raw but he's plain average tbh.Not the quickest player but he's strong ,has a powerful shot and good in the air.

And out wide except Downing everyone else are makeshift wingers so with the exception of Suarez he is sort of starved of service and i dont think he is that good technically to form a good pair with Suarez and have good chemistry.

Though in the future it could change.Provided ,he gets the right kind of service he has the potential to become as prolific as Gomez but atm though it doesnt seem to be working.

Ibra is so good and such a world class player that Barcelona got rid of him for half the price they paid for him only a year later lmao

Guy is about on par with Torres imo, exactly the same sort of players. Except Ibra is bound to get red carded more often and miss more important matches.

Andy Carroll is the biggest donkey and waste of money i've seen in a long time.

People trying to justify this are deluded.

Crimson wrote:Ibra is so good and such a world class player that Barcelona got rid of him for half the price they paid for him only a year later lmao

Guy is about on par with Torres imo, exactly the same sort of players. Except Ibra is bound to get red carded more often and miss more important matches.

With respect to you my friend, this is why I won't even bother replying to this.

elmickio wrote:Andy Carroll is the biggest donkey and waste of money i've seen in a long time.

People trying to justify this are deluded.

Why are you blaming Andy Carroll? I think he did not want to move and he certainly did not set his transfer price so high!

Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

elmickio wrote:Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

Both over priced and useless?

Crimson wrote:

elmickio wrote:Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

Both over priced and useless?

No offence but What do you know?

If he dosen't play for Real then he's useless.

Seeing that you're a stat whore I thought you would appreciate someone like Ibrahimovic seeing that he's won the league in so many years consistently?

elmickio wrote:

Crimson wrote:

elmickio wrote:Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

Both over priced and useless?

No offence but What do you know?

If he dosen't play for Real then he's useless.

Seeing that you're a stat whore I thought you would appreciate someone like Ibrahimovic seeing that he's won the league in so many years consistently?

Couldn't cut it in the best team in the world, still consistently and always has failed in Europe and he's not young anymore.

Only place where he has been decent is Serie A and this version of Serie A is the worst it has been in almost its entire history.

I'm sorry if that does not impress me....

1 goal in 2 games his entire career and that doesn't cut it?

elmickio wrote:1 goal in 2 games his entire career and that doesn't cut it?

What are you on about now?

Crimson wrote:

elmickio wrote:1 goal in 2 games his entire career and that doesn't cut it?

What are you on about now?

Didn't realise you're that thick

elmickio wrote:

Crimson wrote:

elmickio wrote:1 goal in 2 games his entire career and that doesn't cut it?

What are you on about now?

Didn't realise you're that thick

Not my fault you can't construct a decent argument and therefore have to reduce yourself to petty name calling

Hilarious really....

Then again I'm not too surprised coming from you

elmickio wrote:Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

If he was still at Newcastle and performing the same way with the huge price tag around his neck, would you have been as critical as him? I dont think so. The point is, he did not want the move and he could have stayed put and developed and then pursued better option.

I feel that he should have refused the transfer, atleast this pressure would not have been there on him!

elmickio wrote:Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

Are you thick? we are comparing which transfer was more of a rip off not them as quality of player.....

Zlatan wins that one all day every day.