elmickio wrote:Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

Are you thick? we are comparing which transfer was more of a rip off not them as quality of player.....

Zlatan wins that one all day every day.

Surag.Blueguy wrote:

ynwa wrote:Atm, yes.

Can change in the future though. Carroll is very raw.
Definitely better than Torres though.

Some of you should stop this blind hate on torres.lol

Just because he has 1 or 2 goals more than him, doesnt necessarily make him better.Caroll is not only raw but he's plain average tbh.Not the quickest player but he's strong ,has a powerful shot and good in the air.

And out wide except Downing everyone else are makeshift wingers so with the exception of Suarez he is sort of starved of service and i dont think he is that good technically to form a good pair with Suarez and have good chemistry.

Though in the future it could change.Provided ,he gets the right kind of service he has the potential to become as prolific as Gomez but atm though it doesnt seem to be working.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Torres is a bad player. I still rate him, in fact he's still one of my favourite players. But Carroll is definitely better him for Liverpool. We did recieve 50m for a player that didn't even want to be at the club, and looks passed it - he did build his career on his acceleration/speed but he's pulled too many hamstrings that his legs are gone, compared to a guy that has the potential dominate the league in the future is way better imo.

Andy atleast tries and there's definite improvement from every game. Andy is not all about heading btw, he is actually quite decent with his feet. We don't need Downing for Andy either. He's proved he can play with Maxi and Bellamy. Suarez has also scored all of his league goals with Andy on the pitch.

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

elmickio wrote:Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

Are you thick? we are comparing which transfer was more of a rip off not them as quality of player.....

Zlatan wins that one all day every day.

It's pretty thick comparing a transfer that had to be done with 2 hours to go on transfer deadline day also.

I dont understand this we had 2 hours only thing..

Then why risk on a half decent premier league player? Why they didnt go for a old strikers untill summer and invest 40 mill on some very good players in summer market? Carrol was injured in january ffs..

They simply misjudged carroll and over payed.

We had bids for Llorente, Gomez and one other rejected, so we just went with Carroll. Sepi has already stated why the new owners spend large on him already.

Bilbao and Bayern both arent selling clubs so it was so obvious it would get rejected but what i dont understand is why did they take risk on a injured player? shows liverpool was desperate for andy carroll and not just another striker who can be loaned for around 6 months.

They misjudged him first,if not they wouldnt have gone for a injured player who just had 11 games or so into PL.

ynwa wrote:

Surag.Blueguy wrote:

ynwa wrote:Atm, yes.

Can change in the future though. Carroll is very raw.
Definitely better than Torres though.

Some of you should stop this blind hate on torres.lol

Just because he has 1 or 2 goals more than him, doesnt necessarily make him better.Caroll is not only raw but he's plain average tbh.Not the quickest player but he's strong ,has a powerful shot and good in the air.

And out wide except Downing everyone else are makeshift wingers so with the exception of Suarez he is sort of starved of service and i dont think he is that good technically to form a good pair with Suarez and have good chemistry.

Though in the future it could change.Provided ,he gets the right kind of service he has the potential to become as prolific as Gomez but atm though it doesnt seem to be working.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Torres is a bad player. I still rate him, in fact he's still one of my favourite players. But Carroll is definitely better him for Liverpool. We did recieve 50m for a player that didn't even want to be at the club, and looks passed it - he did build his career on his acceleration/speed but he's pulled too many hamstrings that his legs are gone, compared to a guy that has the potential dominate the league in the future is way better imo.

Andy atleast tries and there's definite improvement from every game. Andy is not all about heading btw, he is actually quite decent with his feet. We don't need Downing for Andy either. He's proved he can play with Maxi and Bellamy. Suarez has also scored all of his league goals with Andy on the pitch.

I am not saying he's all about aerial ability though.I was just saying he's quite average technically.

Before the time Torres left for chelsea,he was in decent form ,i mean atleast he was putting the ball in the back of the net.And imo i think it was the wrong decision to leave for Chelsea considering Suarez was just signed from Ajax.Now think of a Suarez-Torres partnership.It would have worked much better than say a Carroll-Suarez partnership although i think its too early to judge and lets give him some time.

And also i'm not saying he cannot play with Maxi and Bellamy.I ,you know picture him as an English version of Gomez.Provided the right kind of service i think he could be an important player for Pool in the future.

Its too early days perhaps.You can speculate on and on.I will reserve my judgement until late Feb or March.

Had 19, actually. We took a risk, he's here for 5 years. Give him a chance, eh? It's not his fault we overpaid for him.

We have the best physios in the country, he's injury wasn't that bad. He missed a month, came back and re-injured himself with his calf I think it was.

Again. Read Sepi's post. A loanee would of been stupid. (Even if we did loan a player, who were we going to get?)

Crimson wrote:

elmickio wrote:

Crimson wrote:

elmickio wrote:Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

Both over priced and useless?

No offence but What do you know?

If he dosen't play for Real then he's useless.

Seeing that you're a stat whore I thought you would appreciate someone like Ibrahimovic seeing that he's won the league in so many years consistently?

Couldn't cut it in the best team in the world, still consistently and always has failed in Europe and he's not young anymore.

Only place where he has been decent is Serie A and this version of Serie A is the worst it has been in almost its entire history.

I'm sorry if that does not impress me....

There is no best league in the world.

And Ibra is not even close to the same player Torres is (was?). Completely different.

Surag.Blueguy wrote:I am not saying he's all about aerial ability though.I was just saying he's quite average technically.

Before the time Torres left for chelsea,he was in decent form ,i mean atleast he was putting the ball in the back of the net.And imo i think it was the wrong decision to leave for Chelsea considering Suarez was just signed from Ajax.Now think of a Suarez-Torres partnership.It would have worked much better than say a Carroll-Suarez partnership although i think its too early to judge and lets give him some time.

And also i'm not saying he cannot play with Maxi and Bellamy.I ,you know picture him as an English version of Gomez.Provided the right kind of service i think he could be an important player for Pool in the future.

Its too early days perhaps.You can speculate on and on.I will reserve my judgement until late Feb or March.

All if's man.

He's at Chelsea now. No need to compare Torres/Suarez to Carroll/Suarez.

I'll be reserving until the end of the season. It does look like he's trying to hard at the moment though. He should just be playing his normal game.

Crimson wrote:

elmickio wrote:

Crimson wrote:

elmickio wrote:Blaming him for being hopeless, I don't understand what you mean?

I don't understand how people could even have some form of comparasion between Zlatan and Carroll.

Both over priced and useless?

No offence but What do you know?

If he dosen't play for Real then he's useless.

Seeing that you're a stat whore I thought you would appreciate someone like Ibrahimovic seeing that he's won the league in so many years consistently?

Couldn't cut it in the best team in the world, still consistently and always has failed in Europe and he's not young anymore.

Only place where he has been decent is Serie A and this version of Serie A is the worst it has been in almost its entire history.

I'm sorry if that does not impress me....

Couldn't cut it in the best team in the world.... lets break this down.

- In a team which is completely polar opposite to his preferred style of play? Even your own Mourinho strongly said last year Ibra was never suited to Barca and would suit his own team more (madrid).

-In a team where he fell out with his manager for the 2nd half of the season resulting in a broken mentality and nowhere near the motivation to play during his arrival.

-Injuries, bench roles and degraded mentality taking away from even further chances to score goals and assists.

-First season in a completely different league and style of play.

-21 goals and 9 assists.

-Several vital goals in big games and within Europe as well. (Do I have to name them?)

-His failure in Europe is a myth considering all of his teams relied solely on him to produce yet in the latter stages resulted in teams marking him out while his piss poor midfields and players around him couldn't do squat.

-Serie A? Where a Milan that was 5th that year won the CL in 2007 with Mou's Inter winning in 2009? How bout this year with Napoli dominating City twice and beating them once. Or Milan actually giving Barca a run for their money unlike cough*Madrid*cough. (cheap shot, I apologize)

Just because its the weakest in years does not mean it is weaker then others. You and I both know the defences in Serie A are simply a class above the ones in the La Liga.

Frankly, i can't tell whether you are trolling or just being lazy. Or maybe neither.

He was useful today.

If there ever was a time for him to sack up and be half the man they wanted him to be, the time is now.

Pool should ship him back to Newcastle in exchange for Ba. win win for everyone :dance:

Pool should ship him back to Newcastle in exchange for Ba. win win for everyone :dance:

GTFO

Seriously tho we play alot different now and Carroll does not the fit the ideal or the system and even if it were option i wudnt even consider it and IMO Ba is more complete and capable of many different types of goals.

We need a partner for Ba but Carroll does not fit the bill......

We also need a winger with end product, advanced playmaker and a fullback.....

Then theres the depth to look into...... like CB, DM etc etc

Barca was going to lose Eto anyway so the Carroll deal is worse.

Biggest flop of the year

Torres has arguably been worse tbf lol......

Nah i think Carroll has been worse.

not an enviable competition to be in, eh?

Breaking News: The FA have handed Andy Caroll an eight-game run in the Liverpool first team - The club are set to appeal.

Torres < Carroll < Ibra imo. And that says a lot because not only did Barca pay 40m for Ibra, but they gave away probably the best striker in the world at the time. Still can't get my head around that one tbh, Guardiola's shafting of Eto'o, in my mind anyway, was maybe the most pig ignorant managerial decision in history.

I sort of blame the players around Carroll to an extent. It almost seems like no one ever wants to pass the ball to him. No one believes in him on the field. How many of his touches are headers? He barely gets played the ball on the ground.

That said, I'm unsure of whether he will come good for us. It was a panic buy and unfortunately, the price is something he was never going to live up to.

Does Carroll sell shirts?

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Does Carroll sell shirts?

Like hot cakes :lucas:

poolsupporter wrote:I sort of blame the players around Carroll to an extent. It almost seems like no one ever wants to pass the ball to him. No one believes in him on the field. How many of his touches are headers? He barely gets played the ball on the ground.

That said, I'm unsure of whether he will come good for us. It was a panic buy and unfortunately, the price is something he was never going to live up to.

Thank you for actually pointing this out. Downing and Reina are massive culprits of this.

Plus since nobody actually watches our games, the refuse to acknowledge his consistent general play for us which has been useful.

The Ibra deal was worse, but only because Barca didn't sell Ibra for his true value which was much higher than 24mil (esp. considering they lost eto and 54mil). Carroll has time to improve, but if he fails his resale will be even lower.