Re: One Mour year

by futbol_bill Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:55 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
futbol_bill wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:EC is reporting a meet between Mourinho and Perez last weekend. He reaffirmed his commitment to stay at the club to both Perez and Sanchez. He feels supported and he is happy the whole club is going in the same direction. He wanted to respond to all the support Perez gave to him, so unless major incident, he will remain at the club.

They also talked about January transfers, and Mou again said he wants no change. Long term strategy wise, they arent going to change a lot from the team next season.

He highlighted the need of a DM in case Lass does leave, and strenthtening the right side since Ramos is turning into a CB. They will also be attentive to offers coming for Kaka

http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/liga-bbva/2011/11/15/mourinho-ya-ha-dado-el-si-a-florentino-perez-para-la-proxima-temporada-87731/

Ok Nick & Sports, say that new DM is M'Vila. I'll assume for the moment that Lass and one of Granero or Altintop leave (I don't think all 3 will go). How does M'Vila accept back-up or at least rotation play. He'll be competing with Khedira, Coentrao and Granero or Altintop? And at times with Alonso or Sahin.

The 3 can go, each have a different problem. Lass always wanted to go, Granero is not playing no more, and Altintop wants to play as well. there is a chance all 3 leaves.

It's a difficult sell, but like i said, you need to trim the line up to bring him in. The real problem here is coentrao, so there is still a chance we dont sign a DM.

In my opinion, if we had Sahin/Alonso/Khed/M'vila, with one of them being used as an occasional defender the way Biscuit is with Barca, it would go smoothly. But that means you dont sign a RB, and you work on playing M'vila in a deeper role. ex: Ramos-Pepe/varane-M'vila/Javi-marcelo. You do it occasionally for rotation or depending on injuries and such. That's why i wanted Javi, he can be competent as CB, but i know that M'vila can also play as a RB. You tell M'vila that he will get lots of minutes everywhere, in 2 years, guys like Xabi might slow down, and if he is better than Khedira, he will beat him for a starting spot.

Like i said, Coentrao is the only bump here, Mou can try to turn him into an all around DM and stick him there, and then maybe sign a RB. many combinations. Signing a pure RB, that will only be used as RB, can potentially clog the line up.

edit: why the facepalm?

OK next question, since you (or Sports) say he is young and will accept some rotation, is can he play RB as cover? If so I'm all for it. I still think we won't get rid of all 3 (Granero, Altintop and Lass), but there will be 2 of them going and to me, it's Ok to bring M'Vila in under those circumstances. It will however put Mou in a bit of a bind re Coentrao unless Marcelo gets hurt. Re RB, it still leaves the question, can either Coentrao or Marcelo play on the right, assume occasionally. And also re RB, all 3 of Albiol, Carvalho and Varane can play RB if they are really in need of cover. With Ramos moving to Cb, the pecking order for RB will be
Arbeloa, Ramos, Lass or M'Vila or Varane (if they all can play a decent role at RB), then Albiol and Carvalho. These are not necessarily WC RB, but they aren't terrible either. More than enough coverage until the kid is ready.

by Vibe Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:56 pm

Isla is a wing back but don't let it fool you he's really defensively solid...

by RealmadridBernabeu Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:57 pm

Sack him.
We've only won the Copa Del Rey.
Hes the crappest manager FOR A LONG TIME

by the xcx Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:58 pm

RealmadridBernabeu wrote:Sack him.
We've only won the Copa Del Rey.
Hes the crappest manager FOR A LONG TIME

xabi is that you? Very Happy

by S32TABLANCA Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:08 pm

Mou has done wonders for our club on the pitch and in the management of the actual club structure, etc. I think he should focus on developing our trademark style of football and implement it throughout the cantera, while winning of course, then we have a framework set up for a long time.

As for transfers, you know what I think. Out Granero, Altintop, Lass, In Mvila, Out Kaka In Neymar, can Carvalho please piss off too? I dont think we should promote Carvajal straight away, but he should definately be Arbeloas successor. Im sure Nacho can chip in if needed in exceptional circumstances too. And the year after maybe, Sarabia/Canales and Morata? Very Happy

by SuperMAG Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:17 pm

mvila can backup rb too i guess, we can also try khedira as a CB, he is huge and is increadibly good reader of the game defensivly. khedira is like copycat germianna version of the spainsh big guy, what was his name again.

by Mr Nick09 Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:37 pm

futbol_bill wrote:
OK next question, since you (or Sports) say he is young and will accept some rotation, is can he play RB as cover? If so I'm all for it. I still think we won't get rid of all 3 (Granero, Altintop and Lass), but there will be 2 of them going and to me, it's Ok to bring M'Vila in under those circumstances. It will however put Mou in a bit of a bind re Coentrao unless Marcelo gets hurt. Re RB, it still leaves the question, can either Coentrao or Marcelo play on the right, assume occasionally. And also re RB, all 3 of Albiol, Carvalho and Varane can play RB if they are really in need of cover. With Ramos moving to Cb, the pecking order for RB will be
Arbeloa, Ramos, Lass or M'Vila or Varane (if they all can play a decent role at RB), then Albiol and Carvalho. These are not necessarily WC RB, but they aren't terrible either. More than enough coverage until the kid is ready.

If Granero stays, he will still be at the bottom of the pecking order, hence why he is leaving. Altintop played back up all his prime, and big Turkish clubs are asking for him, he might go anyway. Lass, no one knows what he wants, i just hope he leaves, but Mou likes him for some reason. If one of them stays, it would be Lass.

In my opinion, Albiol will also be a casualty. Count him gone, he has grown unhappy about his playing time, specially now that Varane is around.

Problem with guys like Varane or M'vila on the right flank will be their contribution in attack. When you play such a high pressing style, you need about everyone to be able to make a contribution to the attacking game. The ideal signing would be Vidal, because he can do it all, and be great in attack. But no chance he quits Juventus.

by punkfusion1992 Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:44 pm

only one thing i ask
even more than the Champions League
PLZZZZ use the youth team
one youth player to come up, considering this is our best generation of youngsters in quite a while, just ONE UNO UN youth player to be promoted
that is all i ask

also i dont care for Mvila, he is being praised on this forum as the second coming of Jesus, but to me he is not as great as some may think him to be.
honestly I would rather stick with selling pointless players like Lass and Altintop and not replace them by buying players like them, but by promoting players to take their place. It would be better to give youth teamers a chance

by FennecFox7 Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:45 pm

SuperMAG wrote:mvila can backup rb too i guess, we can also try khedira as a CB, he is huge and is increadibly good reader of the game defensivly. khedira is like copycat germianna version of the spainsh big guy, what was his name again.

javi martinez?

by Mr Nick09 Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:57 pm

punkfusion1992 wrote:only one thing i ask
even more than the Champions League
PLZZZZ use the youth team
one youth player to come up, considering this is our best generation of youngsters in quite a while, just ONE UNO UN youth player to be promoted
that is all i ask

also i dont care for Mvila, he is being praised on this forum as the second coming of Jesus, but to me he is not as great as some may think him to be.
honestly I would rather stick with selling pointless players like Lass and Altintop and not replace them by buying players like them, but by promoting players to take their place. It would be better to give youth teamers a chance

So which of our DMs should we promote?

I dont expect everyone to think M'vila is anything special, fair enough, but he is one of the players we have been tracking, and the likeliest among many to come in the midfield.

by estrella bernabeu Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:04 pm

I've never heard about Madrid attraction for M'villa, even in Marca (AFAIR).
How about Mou attraction for Marchisio (just saying)

by punkfusion1992 Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:05 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
punkfusion1992 wrote:only one thing i ask
even more than the Champions League
PLZZZZ use the youth team
one youth player to come up, considering this is our best generation of youngsters in quite a while, just ONE UNO UN youth player to be promoted
that is all i ask

also i dont care for Mvila, he is being praised on this forum as the second coming of Jesus, but to me he is not as great as some may think him to be.
honestly I would rather stick with selling pointless players like Lass and Altintop and not replace them by buying players like them, but by promoting players to take their place. It would be better to give youth teamers a chance

So which of our DMs should we promote?

I dont expect everyone to think M'vila is anything special, fair enough, but he is one of the players we have been tracking, and the likeliest among many to come in the midfield.

honestly we already have 4 CMs who all do their balance of defensive work and attacking creativity
Khedira, Sahin, Alonso, Granero are the perfect quadrant of players offering a total variety of midfielders
Alex could be promoted, having followed him since last year, he seems to be turning into an Alonso kind of mid
yes, Central Midfield is not a strength in Castilla yes, but Altintop is not primarily a CM nor is he DM he is more of a winger and lets face it, we have an abundance of class wingers, with the possibility of Sarabia turning out good or Jese keeping up this form, we could bring them
and lets face it if Mvila comes he will expect to start just like Lass, and I think Granero still needs more time with us, he is a really good player

by S32TABLANCA Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:22 pm

Future: Sahin, M'Vila, Khedira, Alex with Coentrao backup.

:bow:

by Mr Nick09 Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:49 pm

punkfusion1992 wrote:
honestly we already have 4 CMs who all do their balance of defensive work and attacking creativity
Khedira, Sahin, Alonso, Granero are the perfect quadrant of players offering a total variety of midfielders
Alex could be promoted, having followed him since last year, he seems to be turning into an Alonso kind of mid
yes, Central Midfield is not a strength in Castilla yes, but Altintop is not primarily a CM nor is he DM he is more of a winger and lets face it, we have an abundance of class wingers, with the possibility of Sarabia turning out good or Jese keeping up this form, we could bring them
and lets face it if Mvila comes he will expect to start just like Lass, and I think Granero still needs more time with us, he is a really good player

1) Granero is a AM converted CM, not a DM. Granero doesnt seem to figure in Mou's plan so far, cant get a minute even with people injured.
2) pairing Granero to Sahin is flawed imo, specially looking at our new tactics, you need someone who reads the game defensively very well.
3) Alex is a CM as well, same case as Granero, only he is natural in that position. If anything, he should be there instead of Granero.
4) You can include M'vila in the rotation and find room for him to play at different places, he gives more projection long term as well.

We really do need someone who understand how to defend from deep, and control that midfield area, it's important. The way our tactics have evolved highlights that even more. ACMs like Granero do not fit, and we dont have DMs in the castilla. There is a real need here, im an advocate for castilla as well, but they dont answer this problematic.

by Zealous Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:26 pm

Granero was injured during the period when we were missing starters. Just sayin'

by Mr Nick09 Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:28 pm

Zealous wrote:Granero was injured during the period when we were missing starters. Just sayin'

Yeas he was, but he came back earlier than most, but still couldnt get a sniff at playing time.

by Zealous Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:34 pm

By that time results were going our way though so there wasn't a real urgency for change.

Anyway I expect Granero to start in the upcoming Copa games. He will do well and maybe that can be a launch pad to more minutes.

by estrella bernabeu Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:47 pm

Associated to Sahin !! why not trying

by SuperMAG Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:36 am

yes thats javi martenez, he is exatly like khedira. though i feel khedira is much much better due to his game reading and controlling.

i beleave khedira can be our 4th Cb while mvila can be our 2/3rd RB.

That, if 3 Cm are injured, just call alex. as our fifth cm or even play controa there although i would perfer we try ramos loOoOoOol.

by Babun Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:43 am

SuperMAG wrote:yes thats javi martenez, he is exatly like khedira. though i feel khedira is much much better due to his game reading and controlling.

i beleave khedira can be our 4th Cb while mvila can be our 2/3rd RB.

That, if 3 Cm are injured, just call alex. as our fifth cm or even play controa there although i would perfer we try ramos loOoOoOol.

Your bro love for Ramos doesn't have borders eco smile

by SuperMAG Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:16 am

RAMOoOoOoOoOoOoOs is the best.

by estrella bernabeu Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:09 pm

Mourinho: "we still have nothing won." We should not believe in something undone. Last year, we had a good start but at the end we were not able to become the Kings of the world. "If we are believing that we have already achived something, we are dead."

OHH Wisdom :bow:

He must stay with us as long as he is alive.

by Baraa Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:13 pm

mourinho in the best coach in the world , if we cant win trophies with him , then we cant win them with any other coach.

we all know the reason why we didnt win more than 1 trophy last year, its not because of mou and not because of the players.

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