Gaddafi's Regime is Collapsing!

7amood11 wrote:

kiranr wrote:

Soul wrote:Guys I've come across some stuff a guy posted in FB, so can anyone validate these points for me?

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Libya & QADDAFI ...FACTS THAT CANT BE DENIED
1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free
for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are
state-owned and loans given
to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.

3. Home considered a human right in Libya –
Gaddafi vowed that his parents
would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a
home. Gaddafi’s father has
died while him, his wife and his mother are still living
in a tent.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$
50,000 ) by the government
to buy their first apartment so to help start up the
family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in
Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25%
of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career,
they would receive farming
land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and
livestock to kick- start their farms
– all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical
facilities they need in Libya,
the government funds them to go abroad for it –
not only free but they get US
$2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.

8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government
subsidized 50% of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves
amount to $150 billion – now
frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after
graduation the state would
pay the average salary of the profession as if he or
she is employed until
employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to
the bank accounts of all
Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US
$5 ,000

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation
project, known as the Great
Man-Made River project, to make water readily
available throughout the desert
country.

Hey 7amood, you said you would clarify this for us. Please do mate!

Will do soon. :flower:

TBH, even if he did those, im not impressed. Oil rich countries, what is so hard for a ruler to do those acts...the sultan of brunei does those and more from what I know anyway, for example

And then ordered the army to shoot its citizens?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2179639

Soul wrote:

7amood11 wrote:

Will do soon. :flower:

I'm waiting for that too. I feel kinda bad for Gaddafi after seeing his capture clip.

Then you should also feel bad for the tens of thousands that were murdered, raped, and tortured. What happened to Gaddafi is nothing in comparison to what he did to us.

ToEy wrote:
TBH, even if he did those, im not impressed. Oil rich countries, what is so hard for a ruler to do those acts...the sultan of brunei does those and more from what I know anyway, for example

True. I wouldn't give a damn if he did all that and 10x more (he didn't and I'll show it later this weekend), because that is nothing in comparison to oppressing your own people.

Anyone reading my article?
It refutes all the points provided up there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2179639

7amood11 wrote:

Soul wrote:

7amood11 wrote:

Will do soon. :flower:

I'm waiting for that too. I feel kinda bad for Gaddafi after seeing his capture clip.

Then you should also feel bad for the tens of thousands that were murdered, raped, and tortured. What happened to Gaddafi is nothing in comparison to what he did to us.

I do. But seeing one human being attacked by a lot of people and bloodied, no matter who, is difficult.

Then again, how he died would be nothing compared to what's waiting for him after death.

Heyhey, I'm agnostic
But yeah, if the reports that he was killed by the rebels after he was caught, that's just disgraceful.
He should have had a trial, no matter what he did.

beatrixasdfghjk. wrote:Anyone reading my article?
It refutes all the points provided up there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2179639

I read this. Thanks beatrix..

Most of the points are completely false according to that link. And the confiscating of houses and other related laws...

Myths of the Gaddafi regime Explained


While there are no excuses for the way Gaddafi was treated in the videos posted publicly, we want to stress that those who have done this were not acting on behalf of the NTC nor the interim government. They were fighters who were swept in a moment of intense fighting, and after 8 long months of defending themselves, having lost friends and family. A full investigation of the circumstances of what happened has been officially launched and we hope its findings will be made public as soon as possible. Those acts don't represent the majority of Libyans and don't represent Islamic or Libyan traditional values.

There are a lot of people defending Muammer Gaddafi and his regime by stating living conditions and infrastructure in Libya was world class, and all the people in the country enjoyed unimaginable wealth. This is not true. The Gaddafi regime was rife with corruption and deception. Who you know was more important than who you were as a person, with many basic services being only available to the highest bidders.


Below, Nizar Mhani (Niz Ben-Essa) of the Free Generation Movement responds to common misconceptions relating to the Gaddafi regime (the bolded inaccurate statements are being circulated via email forward). Follow FGMovement on Facebook, and FGMovement on Twitter.

There are no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
Categorically untrue. Despite poor electricity infrastructure and poor coverage of electricity lines, even in the Capital, Libyan home owners pay monthly/quarterly (area dependant) electricity bills based on meter readings. Electricity is cut off in instances of unpaid bills. Reconnection upon payment is not instant. The electric infrastructure is weak and some areas of Libya do not have electricity available at all.

There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
Categorically untrue. Banks all over Libya have been giving out loans for years and years. There is a percentage rate charge on all loans, which is comparable to an interest rate, but in the spirit of ‘islamic ethics’ it is not called interest, it is called an ‘Administrative Expense’ – Masareef Edareeya.

A House is considered a human right in Libya ¬ Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi¹s father has died while he, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
Gaddafi abused this human right as much as he did other basic rights. It is well known in Libya that political opponents and successful business men/women had their homes confiscated and handed over to regime members, usually rewards for Free Officers – Dubat A7rar. Many farms and homes and businesses were confiscated during three infamous phases of Libyas dictatorial history:
1969 – The dreaded Green Revolution. Free Officers were rewarded land, homes, and farms that sometimes belonged to other people and the original owners were not compensated or asked if this was ok.
Late 70’s - The introduction of the law Albayt le Sakinehee – The Home Belongs to its Dwellers. As this law was passed overnight, thousands of homeowners instantly lost their homes, as tenants (those renting the homes) claimed ownership on account of being the ‘dwellers’. The law applied to homes, farms, shops, etc.
90’s - The introduction of Purification Committees (Lejnat al Tatheer). This committee ran by the widely know slogan, ‘Min ayna laka hada?’ – “From where did you obtain this?”, a form of ultra-socialism where people’s possessions, including homes and businesses, were confiscated if seen to be ‘surplus to requirement’ or contributing to a ‘monopoly’.
Regarding Gaddafis ‘vow’: While Gaddafi waited for ‘everyone in Libya’ to be housed, he himself lived in a sprawling 6km square compound in the centre of the capital which was home to state of the art security and an underground network of rooms and ultramodern bunkers. He also had a vast and well known farm on Airport Road in Tripoli. This, just in the capital.

All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
This is a well known rumour and a common joke in Libya. Whilst it may have been passed as official legislation, I know of not a single family who has been given this grant. The backbreaking bureaucracy associated with such grants and loans make them more or less impossible to obtain.

Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
Education and Health Care – Free does not mean adequate. It is well known that Libya’s standard of health care is nothing short of appalling. It is widely known that the majority of Libyans seeking medical care leave for neighbouring countries for treatment. Our Education system is no better. It is outdated, teachers are underpaid and under-trained and libraries are largely non-existent. The syllabus was constantly being revised and reviewed under direct instruction from the former regime e.g. banning English, changing Quranic verses, etc.
It is commonly said that Libyans would be happy to forfeit their ‘free health care’ and pay for a National Health Service if it was up to the required standard.

Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and Livestock to kick- start their farms all for free.
This has never happened, in addition to this many farms and homes have been confiscated by the government to build railroads, The Great Man Made River and civil roads.
The owners of the land were only compensated if there was a covered structure on the land as the Gaddafi regime legally owned any land and the people were only allowed to build on it. When there was compensation offered it was nowhere near the actual value of the property and many waited years to receive anything if at all. This system was also rife with corruption many residents told they had to pay a bribe to receive what little they were given.

If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it not only free but they get $2, 300/month accommodation and car allowance.
Categorically untrue. If this was the case, the former regime would have been in receipt of 6 million application forms – one for every man, women and child who ‘cannot find education or medical facilities they need’. This grant does not exist for the mainstream public. There is anectdotal evidence of some medical grants being given but again, the system was corrupt and opaque.

In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government pays 50% of the price. ‎The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
There is no truth to the former Gaddafi regime paying 50% of the value of a new car.

Whilst the price of fuel is indeed cheap, the quality of roads, the accuracy and availability of road signs, the presence of road traffic police, and all other transport infrastructure is of abysmal standard.
The absence of an integrated and functional public transport system means that people are reliant on their cars for all movement and might end up paying more on fuel than our neighbours around the Mediterranean basin.

Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion now frozen globally.
Whilst our sovereign wealth is undeniable, none of it was spent on the people of Libya nor the infrastructure of the country. Basic amenities, services, and state infrastructure are either absent or of appalling standard.
The availability of money is not tantamount to wealth or prosperity. The Arabs have a saying about Libya – “A rich nation of poor inhabitants.”

If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
Categorically untrue. Even basic wages are sometimes unpaid for months, for those lucky enough to be employed. Welfare for the unemployed is non-existent.

A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
No basis to this claim as no such case can be found.

A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000
Categorically untrue. There is a Child Benefit welfare payment in Libya – it is roughly 15-20 Libyan Dinars a month per child. No Libyan citizen was given foreign currency as compensation.

40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
Bread was subsidized by the state. Whilst the price varies (marginally) from shop to shop, bread usually costs ¼ dinars for 10 baguettes (small) or roughly 500grams per dinar.

25% of Libyans have a university degree
The absence of a comprehensive selection process and a corrupt entry protocol means that universities in Libya are grossly over populated and over subscribed, despite limited facilities. This results in an over inflated number of graduates, but not necessarily an adequate level of employability. There are thousands of students studying foundation year medicine in Tripoli alone.

Gaddafi carried out the world¹s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available.
The Jury is still out on this. The project has indeed supplied water to many towns and cities around Libya, but the cost is thought to be as stratastrophic as the time it took to complete this. Further, decades of an absence of appropriate licensing, monitoring and control has meant that wells were dug for every home, putting immense pressure on Libya’s natural and naturally replenishable water sources. This resulted in the increase of salinity in local wa

Exposing The Truth
GADDAFFI'S LAST FORMAL SPEECH:
THIS IS VERY MOVING:
In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful...
For 40 years, or was it longer, I can't remember, I did all I could to
... ... give people houses, hospitals, schools, and when they were
hungry, I gave them food. I even made Benghazi into farmland
from the desert, I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Ronald
Reagan, when he killed my adopted orphaned daughter, he was
trying to kill me, instead he killed that poor innocent child. Then I
helped my brothers and sisters from Africa with money for the
African Union.
I did all I could to help people Understand the concept of real
democracy, where people's committees ran our country. But that
was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10
room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as
selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and
other visitors, that they needed "democracy" and "freedom" never
realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the
rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that
in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free
housing, no free education and no free food, except when people
had to beg or go to long lines to get soup.
No, no matter what I did, it was never enough for some, but for
others, they knew I was the son of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the only
true Arab and Muslim leader we've had since Salah-al-Deen, when
he claimed the Suez Canal for his people, as I claimed Libya, for my
people, it was his footsteps I tried to follow, to keep my people free
from colonial domination - from thieves who would steal from us.
Now, I am under attack by the biggest force in military history, my
little African son, Obama wants to kill me, to take away the freedom
of our country, to take away our free housing, our free medicine,
our free education, our free food, and replace it with American style
thievery, called "capitalism" ,but all of us in the Third World know
what that means, it means corporations run the countries, run the
world, and the people suffer.
So, there is no alternative for me, I must make my stand, and if
Allah wishes, I shall die by following His path, the path that has
made our country rich with farmland, with food and health, and
even allowed us to help our African and Arab brothers and sisters.
I do not wish to die, but if it comes to that, to save this land, my
people, all the thousands who are all my children, then so be it.
Let this testament be my voice to the world, that I stood up to
crusader attacks of NATO, stood up to cruelty, stoop up to betrayal,
stood up to the West and its colonialist ambitions, and that I stood
with my African brothers, my true Arab and Muslim brothers, as a
beacon of light.
When others were building castles, I lived in a modest house, and in
a tent. I never forgot my youth in Sirte, I did not spend our national
treasury foolishly, and like Salah-al-Deen, our great Muslim leader,
who rescued Jerusalem for Islam, I took little for myself...
In the West, some have called me "mad", "crazy", but they know
the truth yet continue to lie, they know that our land is independent
and free, not in the colonial grip, that my vision, my path, is, and
has been clear and for my people and that I will fight to my last
breath to keep us free, may Allah almighty help us to remain faithful
and free.
-- Mu'ummar Qaddafi.

Libya had so much, all Libya international student schooling in England where living large, they had free education, free health and they are not even the richest oil state in Africa, I think Nigeria is and yet they live in utmost poverty under stupid and pathetic democracy, where only the politicians and Haliburton benefits from their oil..

I really do not understand why they killed Gadaffi and his family and decided to transgress all bound of Islam and live his body unburied for many days, that is disgraceful and unIslamic..

Also Gaddafi wanted to dismantle Libya Government because of corruption and arrange a system where by Libya people get the oil money directly into their account but he couldn't do that because the government stopped him from doing that, if he was a dictator how come he couldn't carry out that plan.

For several years the Illuminati has been trying to kill him and they killed his orphanage adopted child, he gave rights to Women, You could only marry one wife in Libya, seriously I do not understand why this man was killed.

Now lets wait and see what happens to Libya and their oil, France has already demanded for %30.


I am Africa by birth and if you go back in history, this thing has been repeating itself, the colonial masters, who decide to force theirselve into governing and oppressing small Africa nations with no military strength, from Mai Mai Worriors, to chief jaja of opobo, to looting of Benin kingdom, any Africa Leader that oppose the elite gets killed, along with his family.

Gadaffi was the only leader who stood up against the bitter undemocratic and oppression that was going on in south Africa, when Mandela was arrested for absolutely trying to stand up for the right of poor Africans, when the west used to beat, kill and humiliate the freedom fighting group and label them as terrorist Gadaffi was the only Africa leader who had the balls to stand up against the elite, that is the reason why Zuma south Africa president wanted the peaceful negotiation, Africa leaders even reached a peaceful talk with Gadaffi but you as we all know they dont give a *bleep* about us

When sierra leone were killing themselves in that bloody civil war because of the blood diamonds that were exploited to the west, Gadaffi and Nigeria Government were the only countries in the world that sent aid, although Nigeria sent Military peace keeping mission, but at least Gadaffi sent Sierra leone food and kept on sending, he didn't set up a profitable charity organisation in order to send those food, he sent them %100 free. while the West brought massive jets to take their citizen out of the poor Africa nation, Gaddafi was busy sending foods, I know the Arabs hated him because he sort prefer the geographical zoning instead of racial thing, he saw himself more of Africa, he did everything with Africans, he even suggest a United State of Africa.

And people only find out the real truth long after they have died.

I am a law student I studied Terrorism and I tell you from my understanding Libya had a terrorist group called Libyan Islamic Fighting group also know as Al-Jama’a al-Islamiyyah al-Muqatilah bi-Libya, they had direct link with Al Qeada and Godfather of terrorism Usama.

This group were highly against Gadaffi and since the war stated I didn't hear anything about them, they change their radical name to Libyan Islamic Movement, and the west arm them up, Britain reported profit in arm making since the Libya war started, I am beginning to think, Terrorist are all part of the elites, they are just pawn used by the Masons to deceive everyone, they are all one and thesame...

By the way were they *bleep* is Osama dead body...?

A law student who believes that the Free Masons and Illuminati run the world... right.

lol...

I love how so many people cling on to the rubbish they find on the Internet and start arguing about it. I know from first hand experience that many of the things you have said are wrong. Give it up.

I'm currently in no position to post anything more than several lines (btw, I will still hold up to my promise Soul ), but I just wanted to quickly point out one of the things I noticed in the first few lines of one of Idrisozet's first posts here:

"I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Ronald
Reagan, when he killed my adopted orphaned daughter"

That part in red is proven bullshit. According to him, his daughter was killed in 1986, when she was still 6 months old, by Reagan's attack. Guess who this is:



Hana Gaddafi, who was "killed" in 1986, went to a Tripoli university (I think it's Al Fateh, not sure though), where she studied and graduated as a doctor. Everybody thought she was dead for the past 25 years.

So yeah, stop posting lies.

RedOranje wrote:A law student who believes that the Free Masons and Illuminati run the world... right.

Yes, I am not just a law student, I am doing my masters in law.

I dont believe Free Masons and Illuminati run the world, Freemasons and Illuminti run the world.

I swear with everything that this is truth, I have read different books, particularly I will suggest that you read the looting of Benin.

Most people dont researched anything they decide to speak of they just believe or they rely on media instead of seeking for the truth they seek for by thierselve. Like reading books, reflecting, going back in history and read you will come to understand.

Say for example I am originally from a small native tribe in Africa Nigeria Benin and as far back as 1897 Admiral Sir Harry Rawson a Freemason with the authority of British Parliament and monarch sacked our kingdom, they killed the warriors, executed the chiefs(chief Ologbosheri in Particular was an hero to all of us) and exile the king from his own land.

We had the largest man made structure in the world after wall of China which is know as Walls of Benin,(check it up online) they protected us from foreign invaders, and took about 1000years to built but the Masonic Admiral Sir Harry Rawson destroyed it, and stole our bronze and treasure worth over 1billion dollars in today world and this treasure as we speak are currently in British museum funny how British Museum is own by Masonic Rothschild family.

The kings in our Kingdom that couldn't recover ever since the destruction in 1897 have requested for this looted goods that took thousand of years to gather but the Mason simply dont even reply, first they used to say we are not here to correct historical wrong now they dont even reply.

If you are interested you can check this up. "Benin Looting" and "Benin Walls", the looted goods are worth more than £1.2billion and the Benin Walls is just priceless to us like China Walls.

There's no way You'll ever be aware of this because this people also control what we hear, they create news and dont report them.

Currently this mask is over 1000 years old and is currently in British Museum with the Masons and they are making Money off it apart from the worth and still thousands of more artifacts are being held Illegally


Seriously thats just one of the small story among millions things that Masons have done

7amood11 wrote:lol...

I love how so many people cling on to the rubbish they find on the Internet and start arguing about it. I know from first hand experience that many of the things you have said are wrong. Give it up.

I'm currently in no position to post anything more than several lines (btw, I will still hold up to my promise Soul ), but I just wanted to quickly point out one of the things I noticed in the first few lines of one of Idrisozet's first posts here:

"I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Ronald
Reagan, when he killed my adopted orphaned daughter"

That part in red is proven bullshit. According to him, his daughter was killed in 1986, when she was still 6 months old, by Reagan's attack. Guess who this is:



Hana Gaddafi, who was "killed" in 1986, went to a Tripoli university (I think it's Al Fateh, not sure though), where she studied and graduated as a doctor. Everybody thought she was dead for the past 25 years.

So yeah, stop posting lies.

Gadaffi had lots of children anyone can say anything behind the scene and claim she was not killed and such and such and even go as far as proving it but the truth, I mean the truth that everyone could see is that America did bomb his house in 1986 so I will rather follow what I can see.


why did they bomb his house...?

Idrisozet wrote:

7amood11 wrote:lol...

I love how so many people cling on to the rubbish they find on the Internet and start arguing about it. I know from first hand experience that many of the things you have said are wrong. Give it up.

I'm currently in no position to post anything more than several lines (btw, I will still hold up to my promise Soul ), but I just wanted to quickly point out one of the things I noticed in the first few lines of one of Idrisozet's first posts here:

"I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Ronald
Reagan, when he killed my adopted orphaned daughter"

That part in red is proven bullshit. According to him, his daughter was killed in 1986, when she was still 6 months old, by Reagan's attack. Guess who this is:



Hana Gaddafi, who was "killed" in 1986, went to a Tripoli university (I think it's Al Fateh, not sure though), where she studied and graduated as a doctor. Everybody thought she was dead for the past 25 years.

So yeah, stop posting lies.

Gadaffi had lots of children anyone can say anything behind the scene and claim she was not killed and such and such and even go as far as proving it but the truth, I mean the truth that everyone could see is that America did bomb his house in 1986 so I will rather follow what I can see.


why did they bomb his house...?

Did you not see the picture I just posted? That's an adult Hana.

Here's a video of Hana in 1987, a year after she was "killed":

I consider myself fairly tolerant of differing political and historical viewpoints, but these conspiracy about shadowy super-powerful cabals running the world from behind the curtain are, excuse my frankness, utter stupidity.

People can't even keep computer passwords secret, much less a new world order. Further, if there was some such grand scheme, and they were smart enough to A) gain power, B) maintain power, and C) co-opt others into their plans without being overthrown... how in the bloody hell did some random guys on the internet figure it out?

Idrisozet wrote:Yes, I am not just a law student, I am doing my masters in law.

I dont believe Free Masons and Illuminati run the world, Freemasons and Illuminti run the world.

I swear with everything that this is truth, I have read different books, particularly I will suggest that you read the looting of Benin.

Aaaand that's why you study Law, and not History, mate.

VivaStPauli wrote:

Idrisozet wrote:Yes, I am not just a law student, I am doing my masters in law.

I dont believe Free Masons and Illuminati run the world, Freemasons and Illuminti run the world.

I swear with everything that this is truth, I have read different books, particularly I will suggest that you read the looting of Benin.

Aaaand that's why you study Law, and not History, mate.

Law covers everything Including history, Laws are made out of historical traditions, believes, Morals and conventions.

I was also and Historian student before my parent force me into Law, with that said being a Law student doesn't mean you can not do your research on history or seek the truth...

Idrisozet wrote:

VivaStPauli wrote:

Idrisozet wrote:Yes, I am not just a law student, I am doing my masters in law.

I dont believe Free Masons and Illuminati run the world, Freemasons and Illuminti run the world.

I swear with everything that this is truth, I have read different books, particularly I will suggest that you read the looting of Benin.

Aaaand that's why you study Law, and not History, mate.

Law covers everything Including history, Laws are made out of historical traditions, believes, Morals and conventions.

I was also and Historian student before my parent force me into Law, with that said being a Law student doesn't mean you can not do your research on history or seek the truth...

Coming from someone who is getting a double major in History and PoliSci for Pre-law: You're full of shit.

Coming from someone with a Master's in Political Sciences and Economics: You're right, he's full of shit.

Though tbh it would be equally valid if I was just some bloke who read a news paper every once in a while

RedOranje wrote:

Idrisozet wrote:

VivaStPauli wrote:

Idrisozet wrote:Yes, I am not just a law student, I am doing my masters in law.

I dont believe Free Masons and Illuminati run the world, Freemasons and Illuminti run the world.

I swear with everything that this is truth, I have read different books, particularly I will suggest that you read the looting of Benin.

Aaaand that's why you study Law, and not History, mate.

Law covers everything Including history, Laws are made out of historical traditions, believes, Morals and conventions.


Now point out one thing that makes you say I am full of shit, just one.
I was also and Historian student before my parent force me into Law, with that said being a Law student doesn't mean you can not do your research on history or seek the truth...

Coming from someone who is getting a double major in History and PoliSci for Pre-law: You're full of shit.

Now you are resulting to insults, come on if you want to have a dialogue that will be ok with me, instead of insults.

I just gave you some historical facts about my own tribe, I usually do not even talk about where I am from, I dont leave my name on background online but I did it for the first time and you are saying I am full of shit.

Listen you never know the bad side of thing if you are not the one experiencing it