Haaland Vs Mbappe

Winter is Coming wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:I hope you are too, Pep would ruin Haaland. There's exactly one person in world football that can ruin Haaland, and it's Pep.

Why do you say this? Is it just he isn’t a Pep type of player and you feel Pep won’t be able handle a player of his quality and misuse him?

Because Pep's football will methodically curb his explosiveness

I mean look at poor Jesus

He's one the most intelligent counter attacking attackers I've ever seen. Would be a disaster and waste of talent to play or Barca or Pep imo.

BarcaLearning wrote:Yea Im surprised to hear Real under Flo has such a wage control in place? Is that recent history? I mean surely his Galacticos eras I and II both didnt feel like it, I thought the star players would be earning a lot just like their high transfer fees, especially Ronaldo. Praise to Flo though if true, he knows to keep even Ronaldo under control and shows whos boss.

And its really interesting that GL can have so varied opinions, I mean many posters are long time football fans, and its surprising to see quite many do rate Haaland higher than Mbappe. Im pretty sure though time will tell Mbappe should be, at least talent wise. Not sure how hard working he is though, which is an important factor, and hope both avoid major injuries. If we are lucky we may see Messi v Ronaldo like rivalry in years to come between them

DoC doesn’t know a thing about club finances, he just blames Flo for not making any big signings in past 3 years!

But Flo does have financial discipline. Let me break this down a bit. Salary is covered under the operating budget and rules in Spain re non profit organizations (of which both Barcelona and Real Madrid are), the salary load has to be covered within revenues. Note- somehow Barca have been borrowing money to cover their salary load? The other point re Flo is they insist on a salary progression ladder. So at this point in time, there will be no issue in making the next super star salary at the top of that ladder.

The second issue is the transfer fee budget. This is covered under capital budget. The budgets at this point are not casted in concrete because of the unknown ongoing financial impact of covid. This season has had a 150M hit, primarily due to lost gate revenue. Flo made most of this up with the fire sale of kids in the system plus offloading James and Bale’s salary (at least for this year). So the question will be what will be the transfer budget and will that be enough to satisfy PSG or Dortmund or both? There is one additional possible bonus however. There isn’t as yet a stadium sponsor, and if a new sponsorship deal is signed, that money could be added to the transfer budget. Another possibility is to take out a loan and use Mbappe and/or Haaland as collateral for the loan. This was done before when Ronaldo and Kaka were signed! However, it is a highly unusual move and with the current state of Spanish banks and Covid conditions, i severely doubt if that option would be pursued.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

Winter is Coming wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:I hope you are too, Pep would ruin Haaland. There's exactly one person in world football that can ruin Haaland, and it's Pep.

Why do you say this? Is it just he isn’t a Pep type of player and you feel Pep won’t be able handle a player of his quality and misuse him?

Because Pep's football will methodically curb his explosiveness

I mean look at poor Jesus

Makes sense, but Pep has been playing more direct against top teams this season also perhaps an experiment before bring him in?

Well in any case, Flo has shown to be a real good businessman, and credit to him really... I mean considering the terrible shape Barto left us in, and it is definitely true that in the past few years where the crazy Middle East and China money has inflated things to such insane levels at times, that 'normal ' clubs if they dont wanna risk financial ruin and huge losses, dont get into the market if they dont its beyond them. Surely thats happened post Covid as well.

The more I read GL to more unsure Im about where Mbappe will go actually If Real cant afford him, then Man C under Pep might hinder his game would be a shame, so is staying at PSG... who else can afford him? Man U or Chelsea?

If Pep turns out to be able to be flexible and incorperate him into the team though then that would be truly an amazing team to watch ffs Forget Real, its Man C's world now

People talking like Madrid and Barca are worth something these days? One is going to have a garage sale this summer to pay an out of contract plauer his $678 million dollar salary as well as cover their 3 trillion dollar debt , and the other is sunsetting on its current era of core players.

The next superpowers are City and PSG, its clear

Haaland would score 40 a season under Pep. City create so many chances and they miss so many of them.

Yeah a lot of his highlights come from counter attacking chances, but he'd definitely become a better overall player and break all kind of goalscoring records. I do agree that his game would obviously become more robotic since that's how Pep's teams play.

Laporta and Raiola are friends. Didn't Laporta say he'd sign Pogba in 2015 if he got elected? Election bait.

Though I'd rather see those pair join the PL. The hype machine behind them would be off the charts lol.

Casciavit wrote:Laporta and Raiola are friends. Didn't Laporta say he'd sign Pogba in 2015 if he got elected?

He never "promised" Pogba nor Haaland, he just said that if they decide to pursue them they have an advantage because of his connections with Raiola which is entirely possible knowing Raiola's character

Casciavit wrote:Haaland would score 40 a season under Pep. City create so many chances and they miss so many of them.

Yeah a lot of his highlights come from counter attacking chances, but he'd definitely become a better overall player and break all kind of goalscoring records. I do agree that his game would obviously become more robotic since that's how Pep's teams play.

Sure he'd still score a lot. But why buy a generational talent just to play him in a style that doesn't accentuate his strengths?

Same reason Atletico signed Felix to have him play like he's Gattuso lol.

I agree with you though. It never made much sense to me why you would sign a player for +100M and not build your team around that player's strengths. However, something I've realized is that football teams don't do that. They let their managers dictate that stuff instead and expect the players to adapt to them. I mean I guess with the younger players that's fine because the logic is that they are young and still improving. Players also outlast managers so if one manager can't bring the best out of them then maybe the next will. It's also worth noting that the good of the team comes before specific players. For example, if you have 9 possession players and one star counter attacking player, every coach is going to make the counter attacking player adapt instead.

I'm sure there are other reasons too, but it's definitely one of the more odd trends in football. They sign based on talent and potential, and not so much on stylistic compatibility. I feel that's a big reason why there are so many big money transfer flops these days. Teams buy specialists and then don't play them in the role that made them stand out in the first place.

This trend of signing players based on hype and results in their clubs with no regards for how their abilities fit with your current squad has been going on for a long time. Just looking at Madrid, I can give you several names of players who flopped because of that. With the increasing prices of players it just becomes more and more obvious

i'll deviate from the norm here. sometimes you can have the style you want down pat and sign a player you feel suits that style and it still may not work. these days with transfers and the resources available, clubs sometimes overthink these things. fabregas; already played for spain, had played in barcelona's youth set up, looked like a match made in heaven.

obviously signing an attacking mid and playing them as a dm or down the flank is ridiculous. at times you just have to let the talent dictate. these days its like due to the copy cat nature of the game, it is too system oriented. either that or maybe the talent is lacking.

you dont get a ronaldinho, and restrict him to some system that doesnt allow the talent to show and organically mold the team. or u get a david beckham and because inverted wingers is what people say is the in thing now, you restrict that talent

Hapless_Hans wrote:

The Demon of Carthage wrote:Exactly. Mbappé is already out of Madrid's price range, even under normal circumstances. Marca and Le Parisien are claiming that Mbappe's next contract is going to be 30m per year. A figure that Florentino would never pay in a million years.

You paid Ronaldo that, even fucking Bale is almost getting that as we speak from you, and Ronaldo is gone and Bale will be gone too.
Ramos will possibly be gone, Benzema will at some point be gone, if you want superstars to replace those superstars, you will pay them superstar wages.
I think you're vastly exaggerating Perez's stinginess or his reluctancy to commit.
He will do what needs to be done.

"out of Madrid's price range", don't make me fucking laugh. Don't act as if your club isn't the richest club in the world.

Flo doesn't want to pay past it cr or ramos doesn't mean the club is broke just mean Flo isn't a idiot, he can take on their salaries demands, its fans like him why Flo went and signed hazard for stupid money and those same fans saying the same nonsense still cause the only position they care about is CF, besides the player he hates the most plays their position and he is Flo favorite so yeah.

Anyway Flo is gonna get one if I had to choose haaland is the safer option if it just pure scoring, if he gets injured and loses some pace he still has physicality, finishing, movement and his height, he can still dominate if his talent is true, if he can move at benzema current speed later in his career he should be fine with his attributes, his technique seem above average but I mainly watch highlights don't know how good in between lines against park the bus teams probably good.

Main reason for haaland is that his popularity and price tag means the team can finally become CF focus team, no more goal scoring winger shit, or a bunch of useless shot that never gonna score, players will be held accountable if they ignore him if he open the team is missing that pressure for obvious reasons, hopefully either one comes and changes the way the team plays.

Benzema haaland partnership would be a interesting to see, I wanted it work with jovic but due to how the team plays it looked ineffective, but I wouldn't mind if he replaces benzema straight up either way, and jovic comes back as backup or partner, want to see benzema some where else, always wanted to see him in a inter jersey.

reading through that i was just waiting for the benzema part :ROFL:

I was actually surprised to see no mention of the ever relevant, Higuain

In fairness, if you ignore the shots at GL and CR, his post makes a lot of sense. IMO, this is likely the best post he has ever made.

Although my opinion is I would be happy with either of the two and ecstatic if Flo could somehow acquire both!

futbol_bill wrote:In fairness, if you ignore the shots at GL and CR, his post makes a lot of sense. IMO, this is likely the best post he has ever made.

Although my opinion is I would be happy with either of the two and ecstatic if Edwards could somehow acquire both!

These days I tend to agree with Madrid fans out here !

That’s plagiarism

Arquitecto wrote:Mbappe by a mile. What has Haaland even accomplished compared to him?

Superb talent but Mbappe has simply done more and for a longer time and I personally would take. Definitely more complete too.

What a fucking idiot

Relax, Haaland got dealt with by Turkey.