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Post by Robespierre on Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:48 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:so what you're saying is

the Italian Schürrle?

Good comparison.

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Post by Myesyats on Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:05 am

Can anyone explain how Immobile is so good in Serie A but garbage anywhere else?
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Post by rincon on Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:28 am

Not really the case though. Without Lazio going particularly far in EL, or he starting all those games, he was the topscorer of the tournament.

Looking at the career stats in transfermarkt:
EL he has 73 minutes/G+A
CL he has 99 min/G+A
Serie A over 200 games he has an insane 105 min/G+A

He flopped that season abroad at 24 or so which really conditioned his perception. Made him easy to dismiss, but at this point he is on track to a record breaking season and the golden boot with a 4th 20+ goal season in the league.

Bumped his thread earlier, no one in the league carries his team more than he does for Lazio.

For the NT he is playing better with Mancini, as does everyone else, but it looks like the possession heavy style of play suits him less than the fast and direct game at Lazio.
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Post by Robespierre on Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:10 am

@Myesyats wrote:Can anyone explain how Immobile is so good in Serie A but garbage anywhere else?


Well it's a good observation because it's emblematic his difference between Lazio and International context ( he 's never been good also with Italy NT , not capable to create half danger in that play off against Sweden etc)

I was wondering it too. Sproportion is evident.

I think Immobile is a particular CF, it's fundamental both the emotive aspect than tactical to get the better from him imo

the technical-tactical matter could be extended also   outside the field: Immobile struggled to adapt in Germany,  during his Borussia Dortmund experience, he said that " Germans are cold people, there is no healing : I've been for 8 months here and  not even a  teammate has ever invited me to his house to dinner "; in another interview  , he explained how he felt as isolated from the rest of the team in Germany ,   the language was "too difficult", focusing on how German language is too difficult to be learnt.

I believe he needs of a environment that does not depress  him, both from  human and social point of view; expectations that must not be excessive and so measured to the expectations of the clubs -

How could I explain what's  Lazio ? Lazio is a sort of Sevilla that doesn't win Europa League but Coppa Italia - and in particular I mean they are a club who receive many compliments and few criticism - they are a club that aim to Champions League  place in silencie but they don't admitt this , they joust between 4th and 5th place during the year playing an entertaining football, they have the period where they are on fire, then they bottle it and at the end they go in EL. But no one cares about it, no one rates it as a negative result , a failure, they have cashed congratulations during the year and that is enough.

After I focused you (good imo) what it is Lazio, you can understand why it's the proper team for Immobile.

After surely there is also a tactical matter, Lazio system developes his characteristics at best, his physique (185 cm and 85 kg) allows him to be explosive and resistant , so he gives his  best when he can attack the penalty area, amd not when he has to occupy it or he must play with teammates. and he gives his best in open spaces.

So he is a complex player,especially about his emotive aspect and I think it is the decisive factor in his performance.

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Post by rincon on Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:00 am

I took Myesyats question literally to mean "Why is he so good in Serie A" and not "Why is he so good in Lazio", because indeed Lazio doesn't play just in Serie A, he excels in all competitions for them. It's not a matter of the compeition, he is great on any tournament, it's a matter of environment and tactics.

Lazio is a perfect environment for the reasons @Robes posted. Added to that, Simone Inzaghi is a good coach, gets the most out of his team. It's unfortunate because his style matches perfectly with Klopp, but when they coincided at Dortmund he didn't adapt to Germany.
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Post by Arquitecto on Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:20 am

What goes for Bernadeschi IS that he is a very technical player as Max and Sarri themselves named him amongst Juve and Italia's most technical players but where he lacks is a frail mentality as a result of not being coached too well in Fiorentina's coach merry-go-round along with being used in far too many positions early in his career since he is compliant as a player.


Immobile did not particularly flop in Germany as many instances he looked very good, and the Champions League in particular but simply did not look happy and rather look isolated there. Ciro like strikers of his ilk are very hot and cold and known here as 'Confidence strikers' as they either perform very consistently or do not score for stretches at all.

It always was a surprise he has done this well in his career as he never was touted for that but few strikers are as two-footed as him along with leading the line he does for Lazio.

Inzaghi has given him full reigns of the front-line and it is no surprise that confidence in the Southerner has had him perform rather than having to consistently compete.

Both players mentioned have that in common and these misconceptions have to be cleared for once.

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Post by Robespierre on Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:52 pm

Cagliari Sampdoria 4-3 incredible match
Best League in the world by far

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Post by Sina on Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:54 am

Ignore the title,appreciate the player




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Post by Warrior on Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:17 pm

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Post by JespSwe on Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:33 pm

@Robespierre wrote:Cagliari Sampdoria 4-3 incredible match
Best League in the world by far


whatever niangolaan is smoking its working for rest of the cagliari XD
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Post by JespSwe on Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:40 pm

Gianluca Rocchi named the best referee of last season... :facepalm:
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Post by Robespierre on Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:37 pm

@Sina wrote:Ignore the title,appreciate the player




Eh, I crated the wagon
http://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t42185p250-calcio-saga-19-20#1983268

Di Marzio said we are in pole position for him for June, I hope it ardently

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:40 pm

@Robespierre wrote:
@Sina wrote:Ignore the title,appreciate the player




Eh, I crated the wagon
http://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t42185p250-calcio-saga-19-20#1983268

Di Marzio said we are in pole position for him for June, I hope it ardently


What the hell. Just read today we will buy him. Italian sources are so generous Proud

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Post by Art Morte on Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:04 am

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50668979

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Post by McLewis on Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:58 am

I'll post my thoughts on this in the racism thread.
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Post by Sina on Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:17 pm

@Robespierre wrote:
@Sina wrote:Ignore the title,appreciate the player




Eh, I crated the wagon
http://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t42185p250-calcio-saga-19-20#1983268

Di Marzio said we are in pole position for him for June, I hope it ardently


i didn't claim otherwise
there used to be times when i constantly posted latest comps,now i checked my feed after a while and thought to post something relevant Wink

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Post by McLewis Yesterday at 3:44 pm

How we haven't conceded yet is beyond me. Inter have had at least 2 chances put on a platter for them due to really poor mistakes.

We have to do more with the possession we're getting. Gotta get out of the sideways passing game and attack Inter more vertically.
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Post by JespSwe Yesterday at 4:51 pm

@McLewis wrote:How we haven't conceded yet is beyond me. Inter have had at least 2 chances put on a platter for them due to really poor mistakes.

We have to do more with the possession we're getting. Gotta get out of the sideways passing game and attack Inter more vertically.


thought those backpass by veretou, was bad and absolutely lukaku should have scored... with only mirante to beat.. .

there was another really bad shaky pass by mirante that brozovic intercepted with only gk to beat

then there was great cross for lautaro as well which he should have scored. personally i think roma did well except those backpasses / and mirante having nervy moments in possession was really bad that also got mancini a second yelllow unnecessary as he made tactical foul...

though on one on one batte between mancini / smalling vs lautaro / lukaku, smalling and mancini pretty much handled with ease so the only missing part of roma was end product.... unfortunately dzeko was ill, so cant blame roma

im so jealous of that smalling mancini partnership.. they are so good. though back in defense inter's godin and Škriniar didnt let roma get any inch either ... impressive.

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Post by JespSwe Yesterday at 4:52 pm

sorry Mclewis / robespierre Laughing i thought mancini was suspended for this game... now he is lol and will miss the next match
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Post by JespSwe Yesterday at 4:54 pm

roma does have option to buy smalling for 15 million no? because i heard that smalling will return to manutd after loan...

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Post by Robespierre Yesterday at 5:32 pm

Shame we deserved to win It but after 12 victories on 14 It Is Ok

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Post by rincon Yesterday at 5:39 pm

Inter with all the chances to win it while Roma had great play but couldn't manage to convert it into shots. Nice game all in all.

Now we need to beat Lazio away to restore order on the table.
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Post by iftikhar Today at 1:07 pm

Carlo Ancelotti should just leave.
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Bentancur was playing an excellent match and got injured, with Ramsey and Khedira injured and Tabiot just recovered, it meant that Can once again plays...
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