Re: Di maria <<< Kaka !!!

by paperbackwriter Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:54 pm

The Franchise wrote:But in your example, you said guys are more qualified than you. Kaka is not more qualified than Di Maria.

On paper he's more qualified, just as Kaká is compared to Di Maria, more accolades, more achievements, more experience. But when it comes to producing for the company he's doing the bare minimum while I'm working my ass off and doing a damn fine job which I also get credit for. Still I can't go to management and say "look at his wage and mine, I want the same I've done this and that..." because it doesn't work that way.

by Senor Penguin Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:02 pm

Maybe we'd have better results on the pitch if we based players salaries on their performances, rather than hype and bullsh*t marketing excuses.

I can't help but think Benzema wouldn't have been such a fat slob for an entire year had he been given a salary justifying his role on the team.

by The Franchise Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:10 pm

paperbackwriter wrote:
The Franchise wrote:But in your example, you said guys are more qualified than you. Kaka is not more qualified than Di Maria.

On paper he's more qualified, just as Kaká is compared to Di Maria, more accolades, more achievements, more experience. But when it comes to producing for the company he's doing the bare minimum while I'm working my ass off and doing a damn fine job which I also get credit for. Still I can't go to management and say "look at his wage and mine, I want the same I've done this and that..." because it doesn't work that way.

But thats not the same thing. Lots of players have more accolades and achievements than Di Maria but still wouldnt get paid to that extent more.

I agree Di Maria probably shouldnt ask for what he deserves now, its the first contract which is the problem.

In your example, its fair you get less because you lack the qualifications ect, so when you first arrive that was the rate you get. But Di Maria doesnt lack qualifications, because qualifications are simply how good you are, not what you have done.

If it was like that than Seedorf would have one of the highest contract out there.

by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:24 pm

The Franchise wrote:Yeah, of course many players go to other places for money. I dont think Madrid is one of them though.

Coentrao knew he might not start, but he probably thought if your paying 30m for him and half of Europe wanted him, you would use him well. So basically it was "role player for Madrid > starter at Benfica".

I dont agree with that order to be honest, ever player is different.

For some players yes, but for most players not at all.

Who is Pozo?

ohh, i figured you wouldnt know lol....its a guy in our U15 team who is very very promising dubbed the next big thing...he has refused to wait for his chance to be promoted to castilla and thinks he will get playing time in Man City's mystery youth

only some teams wanted him(Coentrao), thereby Bayern and Man U..... but i think playing under Mou was what made him come tbh....that transfer fee was only paid because his release clause was that high

by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:32 pm

paperbackwriter wrote:
The Franchise wrote:But in your example, you said guys are more qualified than you. Kaka is not more qualified than Di Maria.

On paper he's more qualified, just as Kaká is compared to Di Maria, more accolades, more achievements, more experience. But when it comes to producing for the company he's doing the bare minimum while I'm working my ass off and doing a damn fine job which I also get credit for. Still I can't go to management and say "look at his wage and mine, I want the same I've done this and that..." because it doesn't work that way.

lets take doctors for example.....a newly registered doctor who has worked in a hospital for over 6 years, is working his butt off, then a guy who has been in the business for around 60 years comes along and gets 10 times the wage of you

the newly registered might know his stuff but in dire need would not be called upon because there simply are more experienced workers out there that have been doing these things for over 60 years....they are simply minimising the damage...its probably the same at your work

now you cant say the same thing about football, sure kaka is more experienced but in dire need who do we call dimaria or kaka??? of course its dimaria...thats my point i dont think its a good analogy, but i get your point though

by Ganso Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:30 pm

lets completely ignore the fact that kaka was the best player in the world a couple of years before madrid bought him...

by Lord Hades Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:35 pm

Lass, he signed a contract before "Law Beckham" was amended. We give smaller contracts to players bought for high fees( 25 M+11 in Di Maria's case) from lower leagues and hence Di maria was given a 1.8 year contract. Same was the case with Pepe and Coentrao now. Its still twice what he earned at Benfica and he joined only a year ago. He'll get an extension at the end of the season.

by FennecFox7 Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:38 pm

Hell I'll buy a di maria shirt Very Happy

by Pedram Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:57 pm

I believe players wages are based on their accomplishment in their career.

Experience > talent. employers put emphasize on what you did before not what you can do. no matter how much you're talented, until you don't prove it you don't deserve to get more money than a experience one.

by BarcaLearning Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:36 pm

I would have thought Casillas would earn much more than that, he is the one that REALLY deserves more.

by VanDeezNuts Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:27 pm

paperbackwriter wrote:The kind of statements that you see (for example Dutti) here make me question peoples age. Have you ever been professional active in real life?

For starters, you are responsible for negotiating your own wage or in the case with football, you have your agent helping you out. If you can't reach an agreement with your employer you start looking for a new job (in the case of football, you don't sign a new contract and give the option to the club to sell you or just play your current contract out) Secondly, you earn your wage with time and with achievements, most professionals of any kind don't get into the top earning bracket of their careers in the start with exceptions ofcourse.

For example, I'm working at an office, my current role is that of a Project Manager, but I'm only 24 years old and don't have an university degree. Thus people at my office on similar positions with the same amount of responsibility who even work less but have more experience (are older) and have more education earn almost 1/3 more than me.

I could be mad about working as hard as anybody with as much responsibility while getting less money. Or I can suck it up, work hard and trust that rewards come to those who wait. As well as I can learn to negotiate effectively when that time of the year comes around.

In the case of Kaká, he have through achivements placed himself in his earning bracket. There might be more hungry and currently better performing players in his team and certainly in the world who earn way less. But they haven't worked as many years and consistently gotten their wage raised through achievements the way he has. And they probably don't have the same marketing value which in the case of Kaká basically pays the wage back to the club.

the thread should have been closed after this post. qft.

by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:22 pm

El Pipita wrote:I believe players wages are based on their accomplishment in their career.

Experience > talent. employers put emphasize on what you did before not what you can do. no matter how much you're talented, until you don't prove it you don't deserve to get more money than a experience one.

thats if you go to some russian league when youre on the brink of retiring, kaka isnt on the brink of retiring and he doesnt deserve his place ahead of sarabia

by CBarca Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:24 pm

They're already all getting ridiculous amounts of money anyway. If I'm making 1.8 million I'm not gonna complain! Very Happy

Sure you could say he deserves more but ya know. He's still making near 2 mil

by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:29 pm

its very insulting when youre one of the lowest paid, despite being one of the most important

by Ganso Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:31 pm

insulting? :lucas:

by halamadrid2 Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:33 pm

to DiMaria of course lol

by Albiceleste Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:58 pm

Di maria is being treated unfairly! I demand justice for my compatriot

by che Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:12 pm

i find it a bit hard to sympathise with someone who earns "only" 1.8 mil a year...

by pUsHa Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:23 pm

I doubt I'll earn a million in my whole life lol .....

by LeBéninois Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:39 pm

It happens in real life too. Benzema is well paid too , better than Higuain . and
There was a moment he was playing so poorly ...

I Woul like to earn 3 millions like antlitop :coffee: