Have i mentioned that, statistically, Benz is more efficient than Higuain throughout his career and has scored a ton more goals? Just wanted to throw it out there.

He does it from different areas of the field because of his style. you don;t want Benz to only attack the box and poach... same goes for Rooney, tevez, Aguero, etc. Goeez and Higuain, sure. But Gomez is 100x better at linkup than Higuain.

LOL Mamad I'm sorry but how many games has Benzema helped us win vs Barca?

Zealous wrote:watch his second goal vs Espanyol and his first vs Chile then come back and tell me he is "far behind" Benzema in technique again.

While I don't agree with sportczy statement that Higuain is half the footballer Benz is , I do agree with him when he say's you're comparing apples to Oranges.

Benz's technique can be seen over the entire field,while Higuain is somewhat lacking when asked to play outside the final third, and even in the final third his passing is often sloppy.I'm not basing my opinion on just the last match but after watching his game develop for 5 years, and I can safely say that it is his supscebtability to giving away the ball, is his biggest flaw.

Higuain is much better than Benz as a poacher and Finisher and is still better at applying High pressure and forcing mistakes as well as having better box movement and positioning.My personal favourite trait that Higuain possesses is his ability to remain focused mentally, and demand the ball being fed to him , even from Ronaldo , something Benz dose not yet posess.

I have a personal bias for Benz , because he is complete, not a complete CF but a complete attacking player overall.His ability to contribute to fluid link up play is second to none in Madrid, and that combines many aspects of his game.Plus just the way he plays is sexy.

Honestly, people here are so misguided, they think that success for one striker automatically means failure for the other.Benz and Higuain can learn from each other but more importantly they can play TOGETHER.They complement each other perfectly and no matter what system you play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 there is a space for both of them on the team.

For awhile when I came to this forum , I thought there were 2 options , you were a Benz fan or a Higuain fanbut I was always a an of both , you can be a fan of both , they play for the same team ffs.

@ sportczy don't you think having Higuain on the pitch will be a good thing for Benz, take the pressure of goalscoring off his shoulders and allow him to sit back and create and try audacious stuff rather that just trying to be a machine like Ronaldo.I think he'll get as much chances there as anywhere else so I dont see a problem.Ideally he'd be on the left but.........whatever, the right can work .

Zealous wrote:LOL Mamad I'm sorry but how many games has Benzema helped us win vs Barca?

You can say that about everyone who joined from 2009-2010 on. Anyone who watched the supercup saw how much impact Benzema had on the game. CR7 was lost again and Benzema had to pick up his playmaking duties.

Iceman wrote:RVP > Higuain

/thread

Call me when RVP actually completes a season or scored 20 league goals in a season......

I dont care if RVP is more talented he hasnt proved it on a consistent basis, talent is overrated especially when you dont back up that talent with consistent performance.......

Pato > Higuain by that logic

sportsczy wrote:Have i mentioned that, statistically, Benz is more efficient than Higuain throughout his career and has scored a ton more goals? Just wanted to throw it out there.

He does it from different areas of the field because of his style. you don;t want Benz to only attack the box and poach... same goes for Rooney, tevez, Aguero, etc. Goeez and Higuain, sure. But Gomez is 100x better at linkup than Higuain.

Lord knows you're a quality poster and there is always some truth in what you are saying but when you go into "my opinion is fact" mode you become impossible to talk to LOL

Never mind the insane amount of variables involved when bringing up stats like that. Fact of the matter is Higuain doesn't get injured last year and Benz is still playing second fiddle and crying about wanting to leave. Higuain is easily on equal footing when it comes to being a Real Madrid striker ATM. Never mind Benzema is wearing Pipa's number if loyalty and past performances = shirt number.

Anyway Pipa will start the next game, let's see if he steps up again.

sportsczy wrote:Have i mentioned that, statistically, Benz is more efficient than Higuain throughout his career and has scored a ton more goals? Just wanted to throw it out there.

He does it from different areas of the field because of his style. you don;t want Benz to only attack the box and poach... same goes for Rooney, tevez, Aguero, etc. Goeez and Higuain, sure. But Gomez is 100x better at linkup than Higuain.

Source?

Last I checked Higuain had scored 110 goals for club and country in 236 appearances. The first 4/5 seasons of which he played as an orthodox winger.

Benzema on the other hand has scored 119 goals in 280 appearances for club and country. Playing as a striker and the focal point of Lyon for the most part......

You cant really argue which forward fits our system better now, it's all about the the set of AMs we play behind the CF.

We arent oriented and centered around the CF the way a team like bayern is. Their job is to find a way to get the ball in the box and to feed Gomez. We arent doing that as well, simply because mourinho gives free reign to the attacking players and it lacks structure sometimes in big games.

HIguain is a better closer, but he wont perform as well as Benzema would. While Benzema can perform beyond his duties as a CF and get goals nonetheless, it's the reason i prefer Benzema.

I think in a closed game where the opposition is parking, Benzema gives more edge. And that's the way most teams would play against us. Espanyol opened up, and got destroyed on counter. Same with venezuela, and Argentina exposed them.

Both are hugely talented nonetheless, and with a lot of smart, they will win us a Champions League.

sportsczy wrote:Have i mentioned that, statistically, Benz is more efficient than Higuain throughout his career and has scored a ton more goals? Just wanted to throw it out there.

He does it from different areas of the field because of his style. you don;t want Benz to only attack the box and poach... same goes for Rooney, tevez, Aguero, etc. Goeez and Higuain, sure. But Gomez is 100x better at linkup than Higuain.

Which is my point. Gomez improved his link up play drastically, and he's not even as technically good as Higuain. Meaning Higuain could do the same in some future, who knows. Being a poacher doesn't limit you to goalscoring.

They're both very talented footballers, but to say Benzema is twice as talented as Higuain is insane.

@ragbirjosh... Mou will never play both his CFs together. He wants one on the bench at all times to create pressure in the final 20-30 mins. If we had a true 3rd CF, it could happen.

Again, poaching only works in a true 4-2-3-1 and the Man U 4-4-1-1. I can't think of any other teams other than Man U and Bayern who play that system 100% of the time. Mardid cannot, especially against Barca.

Modern footy is moving towards a 4-3-3 and it requires forwards that can play all 3 positions.

@ Crimson... he was, for lack of a better term, fat at the beginning of last season. He was slow to get going due to lack of fitness mostly imo. That's not a problem this year.

sportsczy wrote:

Zealous wrote:LOL Mamad I'm sorry but how many games has Benzema helped us win vs Barca?

You can say that about everyone who joined from 2009-2010 on. Anyone who watched the supercup saw how much impact Benzema had on the game. CR7 was lost again and Benzema had to pick up his playmaking duties.

He should have been picking up his goal scoring duties. Those two sitters he missed with his head in the first leg cost us the tie if you think about it.

Also we beat them in the Copa, a game he didn't even play in.

Tbh I don't get Sportsczys argument that Benzema did good against Barca, I do agree he picked up his playmaking duty very well but at times I felt that one touch shooting and heading would have won us the game... Both of those Higuain posseses.

Both are great and has huge potential tbh, apples and oranges but both strikers

Sushi Master wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Have i mentioned that, statistically, Benz is more efficient than Higuain throughout his career and has scored a ton more goals? Just wanted to throw it out there.

He does it from different areas of the field because of his style. you don;t want Benz to only attack the box and poach... same goes for Rooney, tevez, Aguero, etc. Goeez and Higuain, sure. But Gomez is 100x better at linkup than Higuain.

Which is my point. Gomez improved his link up play drastically, and he's not even as technically good as Higuain. Meaning Higuain could do the same in some future, who knows. Being a poacher doesn't limit you to goalscoring.

They're both very talented footballers, but to say Benzema is twice as talented as Higuain is insane.

He is much more talented that Higuain... but he's more talented than almost all the CFs out there. Doesn't make him the best by any means. Unique skillset.

As far as Gomez, he was a complete CF with poaching skills prior to Bayern. Van Gaal pigeon-holed him. He didn't develop new skills... he was just allowed to use the ones he always had.

You don't beat Barcelona with strikers, anyways. It's all in the midfield.

IMO, in counter attacking football I'd rather have a poacher.

He is much more talented that Higuain... but he's more talented than almost all the CFs out there. Doesn't make him the best by any means. Unique skillset.

As far as Gomez, he was a complete CF with poaching skills prior to Bayern. Van Gaal pigeon-holed him. He didn't develop new skills... he was just allowed to use the ones he always had.

Yeah, he's more talented, but I feel Higuain is more effective in goalscoring. He should go to Arsenal where he'd get consistent playing time to hone his skills

Gomez was never complete, his technical skills suck, but he has great physique and instinct. His first touch can be hilarious, although it has improved. Both Benz and Higgs are better than him technical wise.

In the end I rate goals over creating them

Crimson wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Have i mentioned that, statistically, Benz is more efficient than Higuain throughout his career and has scored a ton more goals? Just wanted to throw it out there.

He does it from different areas of the field because of his style. you don;t want Benz to only attack the box and poach... same goes for Rooney, tevez, Aguero, etc. Goeez and Higuain, sure. But Gomez is 100x better at linkup than Higuain.

Source?

Last I checked Higuain had scored 110 goals for club and country in 236 appearances. The first 4/5 seasons of which he played as an orthodox winger.

Benzema on the other hand has scored 119 goals in 280 appearances for club and country. Playing as a striker and the focal point of Lyon for the most part......

Ahem!

sportsczy wrote:@ragbirjosh... Mou will never play both his CFs together. He wants one on the bench at all times to create pressure in the final 20-30 mins. If we had a true 3rd CF, it could happen.

Again, poaching only works in a true 4-2-3-1 and the Man U 4-4-1-1. I can't think of any other teams other than Man U and Bayern who play that system 100% of the time. Mardid cannot, especially against Barca.

Modern footy is moving towards a 4-3-3 and it requires forwards that can play all 3 positions.

@ Crimson... he was, for lack of a better term, fat at the beginning of last season. He was slow to get going due to lack of fitness mostly imo. That's not a problem this year.

Didn't think of that.

You're basically saying that because Benz can be considered a CF he can't compete with Maria for the wing/ss spot.

Perez why the f**K did you not re-sign adebayor

Zealous wrote:

sportsczy wrote:

Zealous wrote:LOL Mamad I'm sorry but how many games has Benzema helped us win vs Barca?

You can say that about everyone who joined from 2009-2010 on. Anyone who watched the supercup saw how much impact Benzema had on the game. CR7 was lost again and Benzema had to pick up his playmaking duties.

He should have been picking up his goal scoring duties. Those two sitters he missed with his head in the first leg cost us the tie if you think about it.

Also we beat them in the Copa, a game he didn't even play in.

His two assists and goal saved us. it's amazing that higuain fanboys focus on the mistakes of Benz rather than his brilliance. He missed a goal and assisted the goal from the ensuing corner. Btw, are you saying that Higuain is more clutch then Benz? Because this argument you will lose by a mile... there are so many examples out there that you don't want to go there Z. You know it better than I. Higuain has been useless in CL. Only place he's shined is La Liga.

Oh, btw, how long have we been debating this and no one ever switched his opinion to the other side?

About time some Madrid fans give credit to Higuian who deserves far more praise from Madrid then Benzema does.

Also to throw cat into the pigeons on the Benzema creative debate


Higuain has 43 assists in 217 club appearances

Benzema has 34 assists in 240 club appearences

*whistles innocently*

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

Iceman wrote:RVP > Higuain

/thread

Call me when RVP actually completes a season or scored 20 league goals in a season......

I dont care if RVP is more talented he hasnt proved it on a consistent basis, talent is overrated especially when you dont back up that talent with consistent performance.......

Pato > Higuain by that logic

He scored 18 league goals in half a season, matching the record by Henry and C.Ronaldo. 22 goals in half a season in total. Doesn't need to prove anything anymore

Crimson wrote:Also to throw cat into the pigeons on the Benzema creative debate


Higuain has 43 assists in 217 club appearances

Benzema has 34 assists in 240 club appearences

*whistles innocently*

Stats aren't everything

Argument reversal ftw

Crimson wrote:Also to throw cat into the pigeons on the Benzema creative debate


Higuain has 43 assists in 217 club appearances

Benzema has 34 assists in 240 club appearences

*whistles innocently*

come on Crimson, you know that the assist count isnt the only factor when we discuss creativity. The game in transition of Benzema is much better, that's not very debatable.

It's like saying that Di Maria makes many assists = good passer.

Iceman wrote:
He scored 18 league goals in half a season, matching the record by Henry and C.Ronaldo. 22 goals in half a season in total. Doesn't need to prove anything anymore

Iceman wrote:
Stats aren't everything

Argument reversal ftw