Re: Bonucci Agent: "Zenit? The negotiation exists, and he is close to transfer "

by elm_baraja_shaman Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:14 am

[from nelcuore]

So hold on a second everyone (especially Luca).

Marotta bought Bonucci for a substantial fee, a bit more than what Milos Krasic costed, and now he is selling it for a seemingly lesser fee, substantially lower, actually, and it is STILL not his fault ?

So who am I supposed to point the finger at ? Bonucci ? He is a budding center-back who played on a team which had zero, bar maybe Chiellini, consistent performers. Storari ? Did well until Buffon came back and he was shafted. Buffon did well, but for 1/2 year. Quagliarella ? 1/2 year. Matri ? 1/2 year. Krasic ? Shut down after scoring in the 94' v. Lazio. So Bonucci is at fault ? Or who ? Elkann for giving him the money ? Agnelli for running the club ? Or maybe the flight attendant for escorting Bonucci on the plane from Bari to Torino.

But NOT Marotta. Not like he bought Bonucci and is selling him for who ? Bruno Alves ? He is on the wrong side of 30, in his prime I rated Bonucci higher than him and Bonucci is nowhere near hitting his prime yet, and he is small minded player who will not solidy the center-back pairing. Whatever happened to Lugano ? He went to PSG because Marotta was too busy signing those superstars he promised Juventus tifosi at the start of the season. You know, Vucinic, Giaccherini, an

unknown kid named Estigarribia, Lichtsteiner, Ziegler, Pazienza, etc.

But hey, I should be happy right ? I mean, Lichsteiner was valued by Marotta for more than what Cassani and Aquilani went for combined. Great guru ?

/inbeforeArturoVidaldeal

:coffee:

by Luca Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:23 am

1. Marotta has a hand in it but why would he be so quick to sell a player he just bought, it doesn't make sense is all I am saying.

2. It goes further than Marotta, you better believe that Conte wants a CB to pair up with Chiellini, if he doesn't trust Bonucci for that job so be it.

3. This is a report, there is no need to jump the gun

4. If the success of Juventus and Marotta lies on Bonucci then we are already in big, big trouble

5. Marotta offered 9M for Aquilani months ago, Liverpool was firm on the price and Marotta reacted by signing Pirlo, both are first team material, both cannot play together in a 2 man midfield, both are not needed at a combined 7.xxM a year.

6. Lichtsteiner to me is the real deal and really it was Licht + Pirlo vs. Aquilani + Cassani, I can live with the outcome.

7. You should be optimistic, there is too much crying in here, the season hasn't started and people are already devastated. I understand, I'm nervous too based on the past couple seasons, absolutely. There is just other ways about going about it.

8. Marotta is a man, he makes mistakes like any other man. He has made mistakes that anyone can see, Martinez, Pepe

9. Alves was bought for more than Bonucci was and at the same time from a bigger club than Bari. So, if it is a straight swap than from that perspective alone you shouldn't be disappointed.

10. I love Bonucci and want him to stay.

Nick, I like you, you're a good guy but I am not going to talk to you through human garbage so I'll catch you when you get back.

Btw, I am not for this move and I am just willing to let it play out because in the end that is the only choice we have.

by elm_baraja_shaman Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:27 am

Luca wrote:

Nick, I like you, you're a good guy but I am not going to talk to you through human garbage so I'll catch you when you get back.

ohohohohohohohohh!..... little kiddie is now a crying sissy...... what a shame.

by Luca Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:34 am

elmystique wrote:
Luca wrote:

Nick, I like you, you're a good guy but I am not going to talk to you through human garbage so I'll catch you when you get back.

ohohohohohohohohh!..... little kiddie is now a crying sissy...... what a shame.

Yeah, you caught me :coffee:

Could be worse, I could be human garbage who mocks diseases, I guess I am just a stronger person

I could care less what you say about me, you just crossed a line when you mentioned a disease that effects a lot of people...
So, feel free to insult me I'll give you some ammo if you need it.

My name is Luca
I am 18 years old entering my second year of University.
I am Canadian born, I live near Toronto both of my parents are of Italian descent and met in Calabria, where both of their families trace back to.
I love football, it is my greatest passion in life, both playing it and watching it is very enjoyable
I like video games, a few television series (Dexter, Supernatural, HIMYM etc) and movies
I am an optimistic person, my parents raised me to see the good

So, come at me, just don't insult people who suffer from diseases in the process, that is all I ask.

:coffee:

by elm_baraja_shaman Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:37 am

Luca wrote:
elmystique wrote:
Luca wrote:

Nick, I like you, you're a good guy but I am not going to talk to you through human garbage so I'll catch you when you get back.

ohohohohohohohohh!..... little kiddie is now a crying sissy...... what a shame.

Yeah, you caught me
Could be worse, I could be human garbage who mocks diseases, I guess I am just a stronger person

I could care less what you say about me, you just crossed a line when you mentioned a disease that effects a lot of people...
So, feel free to insult me I'll give you some ammo if you need it.

My name is Luca
I am 18 years old entering my second year of University.
I am Canadian born, I live near Toronto both of my parents are of Italian descent and met in Calabria, where both of their families trace back to.
I love football, it is my greatest passion in life, both playing it and watching it is very enjoyable
I like video games, a few television series (Dexter, Supernatural, HIMYM etc) and movies
I am an optimistic person, my parents raised me to see the good

So, come at me, just don't insult people who suffer from diseases in the process, that is all I ask.

thanks for educating me on yourself, I will remember that next time I look you up... which is like Pluto's existence maybe..... :coffee:

by Luca Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:44 am

elmystique wrote:
Luca wrote:
elmystique wrote:
Luca wrote:

Nick, I like you, you're a good guy but I am not going to talk to you through human garbage so I'll catch you when you get back.

ohohohohohohohohh!..... little kiddie is now a crying sissy...... what a shame.

Yeah, you caught me
Could be worse, I could be human garbage who mocks diseases, I guess I am just a stronger person

I could care less what you say about me, you just crossed a line when you mentioned a disease that effects a lot of people...
So, feel free to insult me I'll give you some ammo if you need it.

My name is Luca
I am 18 years old entering my second year of University.
I am Canadian born, I live near Toronto both of my parents are of Italian descent and met in Calabria, where both of their families trace back to.
I love football, it is my greatest passion in life, both playing it and watching it is very enjoyable
I like video games, a few television series (Dexter, Supernatural, HIMYM etc) and movies
I am an optimistic person, my parents raised me to see the good

So, come at me, just don't insult people who suffer from diseases in the process, that is all I ask.

thanks for educating me on yourself, I will remember that next time I look you up... which is like Pluto's existence maybe.....

No problem, like I said you can insult me all day
In fact if it puts an end to you're Marotta bandwagon hate threads then all the power to you
I'll still be here smiling, just because I know you aren't on the other end due to being human garbage and what not :coffee:

by pasquale22 Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:45 am

Making jokes about diseases like Alzheimer's and cancer is a disgrace . I don't know if that's normal in other places but where I'm from it's an abosolute shamful thing

by Luca Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:46 am

pasquale22 wrote:Making jokes about diseases like Alzheimer's and cancer is a disgrace . I don't know if that's normal in other places but where I'm from it's an abosolute shamful thing

It is typical of human garbage
And yes, I feel the same, it is the only thing that has bothered me that has been said and I am only bothered it because of the seriousness that is disease.

by elm_baraja_shaman Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:50 am

Luca wrote:
pasquale22 wrote:Making jokes about diseases like Alzheimer's and cancer is a disgrace . I don't know if that's normal in other places but where I'm from it's an abosolute shamful thing

It is typical of human garbage
And yes, I feel the same, it is the only thing that has bothered me that has been said and I am only bothered it because of the seriousness that is disease.

ok fine..... my point on Alzheimer wan't a joke but a question......

please sire, show me where I made fun of Alzheimer, quit making sh*t up....

you called me "human garbage" for something I didn't do. Am a pre-med major for your info. I wouldn't make fun of such things.

Am so sorry that you have to tend to being pathetic. But I understand how it feels to be 18.

by Luca Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:57 am

elmystique wrote:
Luca wrote:
pasquale22 wrote:Making jokes about diseases like Alzheimer's and cancer is a disgrace . I don't know if that's normal in other places but where I'm from it's an abosolute shamful thing

It is typical of human garbage
And yes, I feel the same, it is the only thing that has bothered me that has been said and I am only bothered it because of the seriousness that is disease.

ok fine..... my point on Alzheimer wan't a joke but a question......

please sire, show me where I made fun of Alzheimer, quit making sh*t up....

you called me "human garbage" for something I didn't do. Am a pre-med major for your info. I wouldn't make fun of such things.

Am so sorry that you have to tend to being pathetic. But I understand how it feels to be 18.

Really man?

You don't consider:

> got attacked for expressing my view on Marotta.

> sought to bring you to my level..... do you suffer from Alzheimer or you just lose track of what you post?

Really?

REALLY?

You don't consider that mocking Alzheimers, this is beyond pathetic.
You really are human garbage, sorry to say it. I wish you all the best in life but to me you will always be human garbage and the fact that you can't even understand fully what you posted just further reinforces my point.

Come on now, you said it clear as day...
Mocking me asking if I suffer from Alzheimers is the same as mocking the people who suffer from the disease to begin with. What if I actually had Alzheimers and you posted the same thing, that would be an okay thing to say to someone? Only from human garbage maybe.

This is my official last post to you, you're unbelievable human garbage.

by elm_baraja_shaman Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:06 am

Luca wrote:
elmystique wrote:
Luca wrote:
pasquale22 wrote:Making jokes about diseases like Alzheimer's and cancer is a disgrace . I don't know if that's normal in other places but where I'm from it's an abosolute shamful thing

It is typical of human garbage
And yes, I feel the same, it is the only thing that has bothered me that has been said and I am only bothered it because of the seriousness that is disease.

ok fine..... my point on Alzheimer wan't a joke but a question......

please sire, show me where I made fun of Alzheimer, quit making sh*t up....

you called me "human garbage" for something I didn't do. Am a pre-med major for your info. I wouldn't make fun of such things.

Am so sorry that you have to tend to being pathetic. But I understand how it feels to be 18.

Really man?

You don't consider:

> got attacked for expressing my view on Marotta.

> sought to bring you to my level..... do you suffer from Alzheimer or you just lose track of what you post?

Really?

REALLY?

You don't consider that mocking Alzheimers, this is beyond pathetic.
You really are human garbage, sorry to say it. I wish you all the best in life but to me you will always be human garbage and the fact that you can't even understand fully what you posted just further reinforces my point.

Come on now, you said it clear as day...
Mocking me asking if I suffer from Alzheimers is the same as mocking the people who suffer from the disease to begin with. What if I actually had Alzheimers and you posted the same thing, that would be an okay thing to say to someone? Only from human garbage maybe.

This is my official last post to you, you're unbelievable human garbage.

[dictionary.com]

Alzheimer

a common form of dementia of unknown cause, usually beginning in late middle age, characterized by memory lapses, confusion, emotional instability, and progressive loss of mental ability.

link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Alzheimer

am sorry but my experience with the health sector has taught me not to be afraid to use terms as they are....

am sorry with your superstition as they be..... you have still not shown me how my question mocked Alzheimer.

Hope the quote from the dictionary helped you.

you call me piece of garbage..... but I guess that must be fine to you and whoever you have so much tried to appeal to and make yourself innocent......

am so sorry for you...

by Luca Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:12 am

elmystique wrote:
Luca wrote:
elmystique wrote:
Luca wrote:
pasquale22 wrote:Making jokes about diseases like Alzheimer's and cancer is a disgrace . I don't know if that's normal in other places but where I'm from it's an abosolute shamful thing

It is typical of human garbage
And yes, I feel the same, it is the only thing that has bothered me that has been said and I am only bothered it because of the seriousness that is disease.

ok fine..... my point on Alzheimer wan't a joke but a question......

please sire, show me where I made fun of Alzheimer, quit making sh*t up....

you called me "human garbage" for something I didn't do. Am a pre-med major for your info. I wouldn't make fun of such things.

Am so sorry that you have to tend to being pathetic. But I understand how it feels to be 18.

Really man?

You don't consider:

> got attacked for expressing my view on Marotta.

> sought to bring you to my level..... do you suffer from Alzheimer or you just lose track of what you post?

Really?

REALLY?

You don't consider that mocking Alzheimers, this is beyond pathetic.
You really are human garbage, sorry to say it. I wish you all the best in life but to me you will always be human garbage and the fact that you can't even understand fully what you posted just further reinforces my point.

Come on now, you said it clear as day...
Mocking me asking if I suffer from Alzheimers is the same as mocking the people who suffer from the disease to begin with. What if I actually had Alzheimers and you posted the same thing, that would be an okay thing to say to someone? Only from human garbage maybe.

This is my official last post to you, you're unbelievable human garbage.

[dictionary.com]

a common form of dementia of unknown cause, usually beginning in late middle age, characterized by memory lapses, confusion, emotional instability, and progressive loss of mental ability.

link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Alzheimer

am sorry but my experience with the health sector has taught me not to be afraid to use terms as they are....

am sorry with your superstition as they be..... you have still not shown me has my question mocked Alzheimer.

Hope the quote from the dictionary helped you.

you call me piece of garbage..... but I guess that must be fine to you and whoever you have so much tried to appeal to and make yourself innocent......

am so sorry for you...

Nope, I'm not trying to make myself seem innocent, I said what I had to say
I called you human garbage, I will continue to call you human garbage because I can and because it is just.

You really can't see how you mocked Alzheimers?

You knew I forgot that I had insulted you or whatever you were trying to prove

Instead of saying hey dumbass, you messed up
You used the term Alzheimers...

Wanna know something else about Alzheimers, Dr. Elm?

Today, half a million Canadians have Alzheimer's disease or a related dementia. Approximately 71,000 of them are under age 65.
This means that 1 in 11 Canadians over the age of 65 currently has Alzheimer's disease or a related dementia.
This year alone, more than 103,000 Canadians will develop dementia. This is equivalent to one person every five minutes. By 2038, this will become one person every two minutes, or more than 257,000 people per year.
If nothing changes, the number of people living with Alzheimer's disease or a related dementia is expected to more than double, reaching 1.1 million Canadians within 25 years.
Alzheimer’s disease versus other dementia
Alzheimer's disease is the leading form of dementia. It currently represents 63% of all dementias. This will increase to 68% by year 2034, i.e. within a generation
Vascular dementia is the second most common form of dementia. It currently represents 20% of all dementias and will continue to do so within a generation.
Alzheimer’s disease – a gender specific illness?
Today, women represent 72% of all cases of Alzheimer’s disease. In the context of overall dementia, women represent 62% of cases.
In comparison, women represent 47% of vascular dementia cases.
Pressure on Families

The hours of care delivered by unpaid family members are expected to more than triple, increasing from 231 million hours in 2008, to 756 million hours by 2038.
Economic Burden of Dementia

Right now, dementia costs Canadians $15 billion a year, a figure expected to grow ten times to $153 billion by 2038.

Economic Burden of Dementia (in future dollars)

2008 - $15 billion
2018 - $37 billion
2028 - $75 billion
2038 - $153 billion
Cumulative Consequences of Dementia over a 30-year period

Cumulative data represents the combined total of either the economic costs of dementia per year, or the number of people developing dementia per year, each year between 2008 and 2038. By 2038, the cumulative incidence of dementia will be more than 5.5 million people, with a cumulative economic cost of $872 billion (2008 dollars).

Turning the Tide of Dementia

Rising Tide proposes four hypothetical intervention scenarios, backed by current evidence that could become critical factors in reducing the impact of dementia. They include:

The benefits of physical activity on reducing the risk of developing dementia.
The benefits of a combination of risk reduction strategies in delaying the onset of dementia by two years (a delay that could possibly also be achieved through the discovery of a new treatment);
The importance of supporting family caregivers who are struggling with the overwhelming emotional and financial hardships of providing care, as well as easing further pressure on the health care system
The importance of a "system navigator" to help families find the right services at the right time.

Does it make you feel good that you still used that term?
I'm not attacking you for me, I'm attacking you for every person that has known someone with this disease

So, again I say, you crossed the line
Now I've crossed the line because I already said I wouldn't post anymore so now I am closing this and not coming back.

So, you take your time, read what I posted then really ask yourself, even if you didn't mock the disease, is using a disease the best way to mock someone else? I don't think it is but to each their own, which is why I dubbed you human garbage.

Honestly, I don't like bad blood but that comment wasn't called for and you know that.

Sincerely,
All the best,
Luca.

by elm_baraja_shaman Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:16 am

^^

@ Luca, am sorry about using Alzheimer as a question....... seeing it sounds so superstitious to you.......

but you still haven't proved where I mocked it and justified calling me human garbage.......

please show me as I fail to understand....

by pasquale22 Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:19 am

Can we just drop it

by Luca Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:21 am

elmystique wrote:^^

@ Luca, am sorry about using Alzheimer as a question....... seeing it sounds so superstitious to you.......

but you still haven't proved where I mocked it and justified calling me human garbage.......

please show me as I fail to understand....

I am sorry too
I took mocking me through the use of this disease as also mocking the disease/people with the disease as you were describing the same qualities.

For example,
If I said are you retarded? In response to you saying something stupid, we would assume that people with mental disabilities (i.e learning disabilities) are also stupid, which isn't a fair thing to say.

Do you get what I mean?

Human garbage wasn't called for, you're right, and I apologize for that because it wasn't fair of me to say that to you and I said it more than once, so shame on me. I was just, uhm, what's the right word? Well I was pissed! I mean I wouldn't wish Alzheimers on anyone, nor would I mock anyone based on the qualities of the disease.

by elm_baraja_shaman Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:27 am

Luca wrote:
elmystique wrote:^^

@ Luca, am sorry about using Alzheimer as a question....... seeing it sounds so superstitious to you.......

but you still haven't proved where I mocked it and justified calling me human garbage.......

please show me as I fail to understand....

I am sorry too
I took mocking me through the use of this disease as also mocking the disease/people with the disease as you were describing the same qualities.

For example,
If I said are you retarded? In response to you saying something stupid, we would assume that people with mental disabilities (i.e learning disabilities) are also stupid, which isn't a fair thing to say.

Do you get what I mean?

Human garbage wasn't called for, you're right, and I apologize for that because it wasn't fair of me to say that to you and I said it more than once, so shame on me. I was just, uhm, what's the right word? Well I was pissed! I mean I wouldn't wish Alzheimers on anyone, nor would I mock anyone based on the qualities of the disease.

all is forgiven m8t....

by juve_gigi Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:36 am

Kwame and Luca sitting in a tree.....

by elm_baraja_shaman Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:40 am

juve_gigi wrote:Kwame and Luca sitting in a tree.....

lol....

by eddy Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:52 am

ok i understand he conv about marrota and i will be happy to participate but i dont understand why you get all this personal everyone have different understand and a unique view of things thats why we posting.

if we all agreed to everything there was no point to posting and talk!

until now marotta had a terrible first summer that the only good transfer was krasic about this summer lets talk when transfer window is over say what we believe what was good or wrong etc and time and resaults will tell us who is wrong or not.

by elm_baraja_shaman Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:56 am

eddy wrote:ok i understand he conv about marrota and i will be happy to participate but i dont understand why you get all this personal everyone have different understand and a unique view of things thats why we posting.

if we all agreed to everything there was no point to posting and talk!

until now marotta had a terrible first summer that the only good transfer was krasic about this summer lets talk when transfer window is over say what we believe what was good or wrong etc and time and resaults will tell us who is wrong or not.

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