ali8775 wrote:

Lex wrote:

ChollaVille wrote:How can you be big team if you never won CL?

Chelsea suck then, yes?

Nottignham Forest FTW

Can't forget Red Star Belgrade.

Sushi Master wrote:115k is a lot of money, you know. Especially for a half season wonder and confirmed mercenary. I don't know what the average wage is for a PL player, but the only teams who can give you that sort of wages are ManC, Chelsea and maybe ManU who are actually pretty strict on their wage bill (Rooney, notwithstanding). Maybe some outstanding players outside the big 4 have +100k wages... but I'm sure most of Liverpool is under 100k. Even Suarez doesn't earn too much.

It's useless to mention any other teams then City. City is the team you are competing with to keep that player.

115k is not a lot of money compared to 180k, in fact if you were looking for a job and Company A offered you 180k and then the company you were already working for (let's call it Company B) but in the last year of your contract said, "look here Sushi Master, we really want to keep you here at Company B and were ready to offer you 115k, how does that sound?" You probably wouldn't be able to stop from laughing before you turned it down and ran out the door and sprinted to accept the offer at company A. Dude, it's not even close.

You do realize it's almost 3.4 million dollars a year more over 5 years which is over 16 million for the life of the contract right? Does that put it into perspective for you?

dnmac4 wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:115k is a lot of money, you know. Especially for a half season wonder and confirmed mercenary. I don't know what the average wage is for a PL player, but the only teams who can give you that sort of wages are ManC, Chelsea and maybe ManU who are actually pretty strict on their wage bill (Rooney, notwithstanding). Maybe some outstanding players outside the big 4 have +100k wages... but I'm sure most of Liverpool is under 100k. Even Suarez doesn't earn too much.

It's useless to mention any other teams then City. City is the team you are competing with to keep that player.

115k is not a lot of money compared to 180k, in fact if you were looking for a job and Company A offered you 180k and then the company you were already working for (let's call it Company B) but in the last year of your contract said, "look here Sushi Master, we really want to keep you here at Company B and were ready to offer you 115k, how does that sound?" You probably wouldn't be able to stop from laughing before you turned it down and ran out the door and sprinted to accept the offer at company A. Dude, it's not even close.

You do realize it's almost 3.4 million dollars a year more over 5 years which is over 16 million for the life of the contract right? Does that put it into perspective for you?

We are never going to match the 180k offer. Nasri is a mercenary as I already said. He's leaving first team action for a rotation spot. Not exactly the best choice as a footballer, but definitely for his wallet. It's not like Fabregas who left for trophies or for his childhood club, whatever. It was simply a case of money in Nasri's case, so he's nothing to me. My point is, that our offer was decent, and actually way above our usual pay (which needs to be changed, as I agreed). But it will never match ManC wages, which frankly, are over the top compared to 90% of the clubs in existance.

If Company A offers a much more enjoyable job, my loyalty is rewarded, people chant my name, I can make a name for myself in the company's history, plus I'm living in one of the biggest, most culturally diverse cities on the planet... Really, 115k is a LOT of money. I love my toys, but with that kind of cash I'm already getting everything I want and then some. If I'm good enough sponsors already pamper me, anyways. What can you get with 180k WEEKLY that you can't with 115k?

Hell, even if it was yearly I'd most likely take the 115k.

Sushi Master wrote:115k is a lot of money, you know. Especially for a half season wonder and confirmed mercenary. I don't know what the average wage is for a PL player, but the only teams who can give you that sort of wages are ManC, Chelsea and maybe ManU who are actually pretty strict on their wage bill (Rooney, notwithstanding). Maybe some outstanding players outside the big 4 have +100k wages... but I'm sure most of Liverpool is under 100k. Even Suarez doesn't earn too much.

The problem is all the clubs u mentioned have players on wages depending on their importance.Most of the important players at Chelsea United and Even Liverpool are well over 100k wages.Mind u we exactly werent the experts at wages we gave fecking J.Cole 90k.But the point stands.

When United faced with a similar situation with Rooney like Nasri they just matched his salary.Arsenal if they dont want to keep their best players then their wage structure should be flexible.

Edit :
As for Suarez i am certain he will soon be given a new contract over 100k wages during the course of season if not at the end of the season.

Arsene on August 9th: "Imagine the worst situation, we lose Cesc and Nasri, you can't convince people you are ambitious after that."

It is a hard call, however.

BeautifulGame wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:115k is a lot of money, you know. Especially for a half season wonder and confirmed mercenary. I don't know what the average wage is for a PL player, but the only teams who can give you that sort of wages are ManC, Chelsea and maybe ManU who are actually pretty strict on their wage bill (Rooney, notwithstanding). Maybe some outstanding players outside the big 4 have +100k wages... but I'm sure most of Liverpool is under 100k. Even Suarez doesn't earn too much.

The problem is all the clubs u mentioned have players on wages depending on their importance.Most of the important players at Chelsea United and Even Liverpool are well over 100k wages.Mind u we exactly werent the experts at wages we gave fecking J.Cole 90k.But the point stands.

When United faced with a similar situation with Rooney like Nasri they just matched his salary.Arsenal if they dont want to keep their best players then their wage structure should be flexible.

I conceeded Arsenal should change their wage structure, but it's very different if Rooney or Gerrard want 150k, when they are consistent club idols who bleed and breathe for their club. Even when big offers came their way. On the other hand, you have money hungry Nasri who didn't bat 2 eyes when ManC came with the big bucks and is living on half a season of glory. Every club is that way, our highest earners being VP and Fabregas (clearly our best players). But they barely reached 100k, much like Liverpool.

Chelsea has inflated wages due to it's oil tycoon backing and yeah, most of the high earners are the "stars", but in ManC even the waterboy earns more than the average PL player.

Suarez doesn't even have 1 full season, so there's no rush. I doubt he'll be asking 180k, though. He has to compare it to the rest of his teammates. Not even Gerrard earns that much.

Sushi Master wrote:

dnmac4 wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:115k is a lot of money, you know. Especially for a half season wonder and confirmed mercenary. I don't know what the average wage is for a PL player, but the only teams who can give you that sort of wages are ManC, Chelsea and maybe ManU who are actually pretty strict on their wage bill (Rooney, notwithstanding). Maybe some outstanding players outside the big 4 have +100k wages... but I'm sure most of Liverpool is under 100k. Even Suarez doesn't earn too much.

It's useless to mention any other teams then City. City is the team you are competing with to keep that player.

115k is not a lot of money compared to 180k, in fact if you were looking for a job and Company A offered you 180k and then the company you were already working for (let's call it Company B) but in the last year of your contract said, "look here Sushi Master, we really want to keep you here at Company B and were ready to offer you 115k, how does that sound?" You probably wouldn't be able to stop from laughing before you turned it down and ran out the door and sprinted to accept the offer at company A. Dude, it's not even close.

You do realize it's almost 3.4 million dollars a year more over 5 years which is over 16 million for the life of the contract right? Does that put it into perspective for you?

We are never going to match the 180k offer. Nasri is a mercenary as I already said. He's leaving first team action for a rotation spot. Not exactly the best choice as a footballer, but definitely for his wallet. It's not like Fabregas who left for trophies or for his childhood club, whatever. It was simply a case of money in Nasri's case, so he's nothing to me. My point is, that our offer was decent, and actually way above our usual pay (which needs to be changed, as I agreed). But it will never match ManC wages, which frankly, are over the top compared to 90% of the clubs in existance.

If Company A offers a much more enjoyable job, my loyalty is rewarded, people chant my name, I can make a name for myself in the company's history, plus I'm living in one of the biggest, most culturally diverse cities on the planet... Really, 115k is a LOT of money. I love my toys, but with that kind of cash I'm already getting everything I want and then some. If I'm good enough sponsors already pamper me, anyways. What can you get with 180k WEEKLY that you can't with 115k?

Hell, even if it was yearly I'd most likely take the 115k.

The man has about 12 years to make his LIFE's earning's as when he leaves football he will never make close to what he makes now. He just made 16 mill more over the next 5 years of his life which is most likley his last huge money contract and almost half of his earning years. It's common sense and just like Eto'o, you can't say no to the money.

Like I said, stop thinking with your heart because you're an Arsenal fan, these players are PROFESSIONALS and it's in there and there family's best interest to make as much money as possible. It's not a coincidence that almost all of the players have agents you know? There trying to maximize there earning potential.

The Arsenal offer isn't close, and I really don't mean this to be an insult, but are you in college or have you ever had a real job or wife or anything? This quote makes me think so, "Hell, even if it was yearly I'd most likely take the 115k." Again, I don't mean that as an insult but it's kind of childish thinking. I have worked at a bunch of different companies in my life and there all pretty much the same, the first major job I had doesn't hold any sway over me and you can't expect Nasri to feel any different. Call him a mercenary if you want but you can't expect him to turn down 16 mill because you think Arsenal is really cool. I mean he's French, so he probably grew up supporting some French team like Ronaldo and Madrid.

You can't say that Arsenal is offering him a more enjoyable experience, you don't know that, and his loyalty IS NOT being rewarded as he is taking a huge pay cut to stay there instead of going to City. Fans will cheer him no matter where he goes if he plays well, and if you have not noticed Arsenal's fans have not been doing much cheering at the stadium over the last couple of games. In fact he came out and slammed the fans.

Oh boo whoo, give a regular joe 115k, he'll make it last a lifetime and these chumps are earning that PLUS various sponsorship deals and image rights a WEEK

If you can't make an accumulation of 115k a week over, say, 10 years last, then that's clearly your problem

Lex wrote:Oh boo whoo, give a regular joe 115k, he'll make it last a lifetime and these chumps are earning that PLUS various sponsorship deals and image rights a WEEK

If you can't make an accumulation of 115k a week over, say, 10 years last, then that's clearly your problem

Who are you to tell them how much money they should need or want. I'm sure you would have a different opinion if the situation was reversed. It's very easy to hate on people for being filthy rich but it's not there fault they are in the position to turn down 115k a week.

You obviously are an Arsenal fan, so if you were a footballer and were signed by Juventus and played well there for a season or two and then another team made you an insane offer what is to keep you at Juventus? You didn't grow up there, there not your favorite team and there offering you MUCH less money. What's there to think about? It's not that hard of a decision guys.

@DnMac4: David Trezeguet, Mauro Camoranesi, Pavel Nedved, Gianluigi Buffon, Alessandro Del Piero.

They stayed in Serie B. Love for one's team. I would play on Juventus in Serie C over Inter in Serie A any day of the week.

I agree with him IF he doesn't replace those two players with 3-4 quality players.

dnmac4 wrote:

lenear1030 wrote:

dnmac4 wrote:I agree with him. I thought it was quite funny when he said Nasri was leaving for the money. The part that's funny is that if Arsenal were still a big club they would just match the money and keep him.

They are not willing to do that or they can't, so in turn Man City is more ambitious then Arsenal as Wenger made it clear he didn't want him to go.

So just for that fact alone, I would say there not a "Big Club" anymore. That doesn't mean they can't be good, almost the whole spanish league puts together good teams on a shoestring budget, just don't expect them to lock up the champions league every year anymore as the landscape of football has changed drastically in the last 3 years.

we offered him 115k a week which he doesnt even deserve. he wouldve been the highest paid player on the team with wages exceeding rvp and fabregas at the time. everything worked out though, because he's not that good and we get 24m for him in the last year of his contract.



and yeah, arsenal are tiny club. that's why we're in the headlines every 45 minutes.......

Dude, are you kidding me? Think with your head and not your heart. I've heard that City are going to double his 90k salary which if you can't count is 180k. I'm not 100% sure about that as thats what the reports are saying, but lets say it's only 150k, Arsenal is offering 115k thats not even in the same ball park.

I think Arsenal are stealing money as I don't think Nasri is very good as I have been saying on here for a long time, but don't sit here and think 115k is a good offer if you want to keep him. I think you're either delusional or you have no clue who your competing against.

I know it hurts to hear this but at the moment City are a bigger club and more ambitious. If you don't believe me, believe your players who are leaving in droves to play for them. I would say City are one of the top 3 most ambitious clubs in the world, you may not like them but you are going to have to respect them as they will keep spending until they get it right and if they mess up it doesn't matter because they literally have a dump truck full of money to throw at the problem.

115k are you serious???

im not disputing any of that because you're right.

all i was saying was that nasri WAS offered a pay raise and a very significant one at that. if City come along and want to pay 24m for him and double his salary that's fine by me.


the point i was driving at was that it wasnt even worth it to keep him at arsenal because quite frankly he just isnt that good. and not only that, he's not even needed in the team. right now he's best suited as a winger and we have plenty of those. he's been absolutely awful for us as a CAM which is where our team is lacking.



fact of the matter is arsenal ARE a big club, but in terms of transfer spending and wage structure arsenal are small.

Is Arsenal still a big team?

The question has different answers. Obviously for the players Arsenal is not a big team anymore. The best players, even the one who grew up with Arsenal shows no loyalty to the club. They leave because they lost faith in Arsenal and think that they can get much better elsewhere. The best players, the ver best players, don't want to go to Arsenal and will not accept coming. There is a whole category of high profil players that Arsenal can pay the transfert fee but can't convince them to sign.

Clubs like Chelsea, Real Madrid, Milan, Barcelone, Manchester can target every player as they are considered prestigious enough. Arsenal can only dream of buying the very best players it seems. If not, why would not they go for them?

But for the fans and their competitors, Arsenal is still a big team, mainly due to Arsene Wenger being a great tactician and being able to achieve the most with what he has. With Arsenal current squad, 99% of the managers would have no chance to win the title, but with Wenger , they still maintain this chance.

Arsenal transferts are the main problem. Buying youngs kids like Chamberlain, Campbell and the others is useless. They have already too much players like that. They need more experienced players.

Unless it is a prodigiy, a young player should not start regulary under 20.

Arsenal haven't been a bug club for three years now.

Ever since we trounced you at the San Siro?

It's pretty sad when your own manager admits you are pretending to be a big club. Honestly, what can you say to argue with that? It's just an one-end statement.

Yes they are still a big club, maybe not as big as the best in the world, but they are still a big club.