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England NT
by Magricos Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:32 pm
England will not win a trophy for 10 years, says former Manchester United defender Gary Neville
Gary Neville has warned England have no chance of winning a major trophy for the next decade and admitted he sometimes considered his international career a ''waste of time''.
Waste of time? Gery Neville is not convinced England are capable of winning a trophy any time soon
By Telegraph staff and agencies11:21AM BST 21 Aug 2011
The former Manchester United right back, who retired last season, played in three European Championships and two World Cups for England, his best result the semi-finals at Euro 96.
And he claimed the national team are unlikely to improve on that performance in the near future.
Writing in his autobiography 'Red', he said: ''We have our football culture in this country based on the traditional power player and I don't see us competing seriously for a major tournament for at least 10 years.
''I'm afraid we still have a lot of catching up to do.''
Neville also claimed the abuse the team received often made it an unenjoyable experience and left many players fearing failure.
''There have been times when I reflected on my international career and just thought: 'Well that was a massive waste of time','' Neville added.
''Sorry for sounding sour, but my best mate, David Beckham, got butchered after the World Cup in 1998, then my brother, Phil, after Euro 2000.
''The whole lot of us got it in the neck at other times. Sometimes we deserved it, but playing for England was one long roller-coaster: some ups and downs, but also quite a few moments when you're not really sure if you're enjoying the ride.
''It should be fantastic, the best moments of your life. But there is no doubt that too many players spend too much time fearing the consequence of failure when they pull on an England shirt.''
Neville also admitted success with United meant more to him then doing well for England.
He said: ''I regard myself as patriotic but, truth be told, playing for England was a bonus. Winning for my club was always the most important thing and given a straight choice of a European Cup with United or a European Championship with England, it's United every time.''
Gary Neville has warned England have no chance of winning a major trophy for the next decade and admitted he sometimes considered his international career a ''waste of time''.
Waste of time? Gery Neville is not convinced England are capable of winning a trophy any time soon
By Telegraph staff and agencies11:21AM BST 21 Aug 2011
The former Manchester United right back, who retired last season, played in three European Championships and two World Cups for England, his best result the semi-finals at Euro 96.
And he claimed the national team are unlikely to improve on that performance in the near future.
Writing in his autobiography 'Red', he said: ''We have our football culture in this country based on the traditional power player and I don't see us competing seriously for a major tournament for at least 10 years.
''I'm afraid we still have a lot of catching up to do.''
Neville also claimed the abuse the team received often made it an unenjoyable experience and left many players fearing failure.
''There have been times when I reflected on my international career and just thought: 'Well that was a massive waste of time','' Neville added.
''Sorry for sounding sour, but my best mate, David Beckham, got butchered after the World Cup in 1998, then my brother, Phil, after Euro 2000.
''The whole lot of us got it in the neck at other times. Sometimes we deserved it, but playing for England was one long roller-coaster: some ups and downs, but also quite a few moments when you're not really sure if you're enjoying the ride.
''It should be fantastic, the best moments of your life. But there is no doubt that too many players spend too much time fearing the consequence of failure when they pull on an England shirt.''
Neville also admitted success with United meant more to him then doing well for England.
He said: ''I regard myself as patriotic but, truth be told, playing for England was a bonus. Winning for my club was always the most important thing and given a straight choice of a European Cup with United or a European Championship with England, it's United every time.''
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Re: England NT
by Guest Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:34 pm
Predicted posts within the next 5 pages:
"Rooney is the most over-rated player at the world now"
"Gerrard is only as good as Montolivo"
"Mata is better than all English wingers combined"
"De Gea is 10 times the keeper Joe Hart is"
"John Terry is Titus Bramble without Carvalho alongside him"
"Wilshere is a one season wonder and will shade into mediocrity now"
"Frank Lampard wouldn't get into Lichtenstein's starting XI"
"All of England's u-21 team are shit, and it has nothing to do with Pearce"
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"Rooney is the most over-rated player at the world now"
"Gerrard is only as good as Montolivo"
"Mata is better than all English wingers combined"
"De Gea is 10 times the keeper Joe Hart is"
"John Terry is Titus Bramble without Carvalho alongside him"
"Wilshere is a one season wonder and will shade into mediocrity now"
"Frank Lampard wouldn't get into Lichtenstein's starting XI"
"All of England's u-21 team are shit, and it has nothing to do with Pearce"
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Re: England NT
by justdoit_ Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:39 pm
''It should be fantastic, the best moments of your life. But there is no doubt that too many players spend too much time fearing the consequence of failure when they pull on an England shirt.''
You can thank the dumbass media for that, Gary. Not surprising, you get grilled if you try something different and it doesn't come off well.
You can thank the dumbass media for that, Gary. Not surprising, you get grilled if you try something different and it doesn't come off well.
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Re: England NT
by Körbl Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:53 pm
Sepi wrote:Predicted posts within the next 5 pages:
"Rooney is the most over-rated player at the world now"
"Gerrard is only as good as Montolivo"
"Mata is better than all English wingers combined"
"De Gea is 10 times the keeper Joe Hart is"
"John Terry is Titus Bramble without Carvalho alongside him"
"Wilshere is a one season wonder and will shade into mediocrity now"
"Frank Lampard wouldn't get into Lichtenstein's starting XI"
"All of England's u-21 team are shit, and it has nothing to do with Pearce"
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No wilshere is brilliant, as i think it was cappello who said he plays like the spanish, he is now your saving grace, raise him right or there really is no hope for england :arrow: just don't turn him into a long ball guy
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Re: England NT
by Art Morte Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:36 pm
I think he's got a point.
Finland's NT is crap, but we Finns always more or less support them, however disappointed we might be. The fans don't really boo their team no matter what happens. Probably the same can be said of other less successful countries' NTs.
Whereas in England there's always huge expectation and if the NT falls short, the fans get very frustrated, even angry with the players.
Finland's NT is crap, but we Finns always more or less support them, however disappointed we might be. The fans don't really boo their team no matter what happens. Probably the same can be said of other less successful countries' NTs.
Whereas in England there's always huge expectation and if the NT falls short, the fans get very frustrated, even angry with the players.
Last edited by Art Morte on Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:41 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Re: England NT
by Arsenalfaithfull Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:36 pm
*bleep* gary nevelle is one bastard the english team could have done without. Lee Dixon shits all over the ratface
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Re: England NT
by Gil Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:37 pm
Sepi wrote:Predicted posts within the next 5 pages:
"Rooney is the most over-rated player at the world now"
"Gerrard is only as good as Montolivo"
"Mata is better than all English wingers combined"
"De Gea is 10 times the keeper Joe Hart is"
"John Terry is Titus Bramble without Carvalho alongside him"
"Wilshere is a one season wonder and will shade into mediocrity now"
"Frank Lampard wouldn't get into Lichtenstein's starting XI"
"All of England's u-21 team are shit, and it has nothing to do with Pearce"
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+1 for destroying the predictable comments before they even took place.
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Re: England NT
by Arsenalfaithfull Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:39 pm
Gil wrote:Sepi wrote:Predicted posts within the next 5 pages:
"Rooney is the most over-rated player at the world now"
"Gerrard is only as good as Montolivo"
"Mata is better than all English wingers combined"
"De Gea is 10 times the keeper Joe Hart is"
"John Terry is Titus Bramble without Carvalho alongside him"
"Wilshere is a one season wonder and will shade into mediocrity now"
"Frank Lampard wouldn't get into Lichtenstein's starting XI"
"All of England's u-21 team are shit, and it has nothing to do with Pearce"
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+1 for destroying the predictable comments before they even took place.
THis reminded me of Eminems last freestyle battle in 8mile.... You just shitted on em son!
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Re: England NT
by Ali Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:46 pm
I think the future midfield for England is sooo boss
----Lansbury-------------Wilshere
-----------------Frimpong----------
lol jk , put Mceachran in there and have 90% possession every game
----Lansbury-------------Wilshere
-----------------Frimpong----------
lol jk , put Mceachran in there and have 90% possession every game
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Re: England NT
by justdoit_ Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:50 pm
ali8775 wrote:I think the future midfield for England is sooo boss
----Lansbury-------------Wilshere
-----------------Frimpong----------
lol jk , put Mceachran in there and have 90% possession every game
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Re: England NT
by The Madrid One Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:56 pm
england sucks bigtime they have failed to advance and deserve their horrible placement in history in the nt.- jonathan wilson
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Re: England NT
by Error Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:14 pm
I don't think England's problem are the players but the bad managers. Capello has no idea how to use current players and previous managers have been just unbelievable incompetent.
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Re: England NT
by Yeezus Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:22 pm
Would love to see this, but Capello likes it old...
--------------------Hart--------------------
-Richards--Smalling--Cahill--Johnson
---------Jones----------Wilshire(DL)-------
-Walcott-----------------------Young----
----------Carroll--Rooney-------
--------------------Hart--------------------
-Richards--Smalling--Cahill--Johnson
---------Jones----------Wilshire(DL)-------
-Walcott-----------------------Young----
----------Carroll--Rooney-------
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Re: England NT
by Jay29 Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:23 pm
Can't say I disagree too much with Neville although we should, hopefully, have a pretty good team for the 2018 World Cup that might go further than our previous teams.
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Re: England NT
by dostoevsky Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:23 pm
Sepi wrote:Predicted posts within the next 5 pages:
"Rooney is the most over-rated player at the world now"
"Gerrard is only as good as Montolivo"
"Mata is better than all English wingers combined"
"De Gea is 10 times the keeper Joe Hart is"
"John Terry is Titus Bramble without Carvalho alongside him"
"Wilshere is a one season wonder and will shade into mediocrity now"
"Frank Lampard wouldn't get into Lichtenstein's starting XI"
"All of England's u-21 team are shit, and it has nothing to do with Pearce"
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You forgot to mention that no coach in the world can save you
Not even an Italian 
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Re: England NT
by The Madrid One Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:25 pm
youre at everyones mercy. doubt you ever win another world cup unless you have ANOTHER "golden generation" that actually packs the punchGoonerJay29 wrote:Can't say I disagree too much with Neville although we should, hopefully, have a pretty good team for the 2018 World Cup that might go further than our previous teams.
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Re: England NT
by I-no Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:26 pm
give them a break people. they can only get better in the future, we all know how good they are from world cup.
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Re: England NT
by Jay29 Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:32 pm
The Madrid One wrote:youre at everyones mercy. doubt you ever win another world cup unless you have ANOTHER "golden generation" that actually packs the punchGoonerJay29 wrote:Can't say I disagree too much with Neville although we should, hopefully, have a pretty good team for the 2018 World Cup that might go further than our previous teams.
I didn't say anything winning the World Cup, just going further than before. In other words, actually getting past the quarter-finals.
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Re: England NT
by Ali Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:18 am
Frimpong picked Ghana?!!?! Wenger said he persuaded him to go with England!
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Re: England NT
by justdoit_ Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:24 am
Wenger wants him to play for England. Words from his own mouth indicate he wants to be a Black Star.
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Re: England NT
by Arquitecto Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:37 am
Neville here is simply bitter that he could not earn success for England due to many factors as despite his impressive punditry, he shows his bitter side at time and he admits it.
Hart
Kelly-Smalling-Jones-Robinson
Cleverley-Lansbury/McEacheran-Wilshere
Sturridge-Carroll-Sterling.
More then a good line-up.
Plus I feel Capello has eased his approach and improved upon his man-management of the English players as his tactics are undeniable.
Hart
Kelly-Smalling-Jones-Robinson
Cleverley-Lansbury/McEacheran-Wilshere
Sturridge-Carroll-Sterling.
More then a good line-up.
Plus I feel Capello has eased his approach and improved upon his man-management of the English players as his tactics are undeniable.
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Re: England NT
by BeautifulGame Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:43 am
I-no wrote:give them a break people. they can only get better in the future, we all know how good they are from world cup.
Never say that with England never.Everyone said said the same when Errikson was sacked it cant get any worse and England duly obliged by failing to qualify for Euros next year
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Re: England NT
by dostoevsky Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:54 am
Being quite serious here, there's no reason why England realise serious success simply off the basis of a stronger defensive performance as a team, combined with a clever use of team leaders. Uruguay for instance have a fantastic attack and a solid defence, however their central midfield is probably the most ordinary title-winning list of the past decade. Gargano is a very useful player, however Perez and Britos are nothing more than thugs.
England are missing a classy presence such as Hargreaves, however there's no reason why they couldn't achieve a similar efficiency with their current resources, without the need to try and suddenly achieve an idea resembling tiki-taka.
I don't see it happening though, in all honesty.
England are missing a classy presence such as Hargreaves, however there's no reason why they couldn't achieve a similar efficiency with their current resources, without the need to try and suddenly achieve an idea resembling tiki-taka.
I don't see it happening though, in all honesty.
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