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Post by rsinatra Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:18 pm

Most of you probably know by now that Santos have officially said no to Real Madrid's offer for Neymar. They offered to pay the whole 45m, and we still said no. What some of you might not know, is that their offer was to take Neymar now or in January, and we said no to both(!).

I think it's interesting, because a lot of people have settled for the supposed fact that Neymar will be leaving Santos during the next window transfer, but our president really wants to keep him, because we our club turns 100 years old, and we want him there for the celebration and for the next Libertadores.

Here's what he said:

- It wasn't Neymar who said no [to Real Madrid's offer]. It was Santos that, on a letter, wrote a formal response to Real Madrid's offer, which were proposing us a negotiation with two alternatives: giving him to them now or in January. Neither one of them interested Santos. I respectfully told Real Madrid's president (Florentino Pérez) that the offer we received did not interest us. Neymar has already stated that he won't want to leave until the end of the year. Santos want him in Japan (Club World Cup), and he wants to play. And the alternative of him leaving at the start of next year doesn't interest Santos either, as we intend to have him at the next Copa Libertadores, and it will be the club's hundredth birthday, so he will be one of the most important figures at the celebration. Then at the middle of the year there's the Olympics, so I hope he will be champion with Brazil, as a Santos player.

Some days ago, he also said this:


- We have absolutely no intention of disposing of Neymar. We are showing that Santos aren't a mere youth center for European football. Neymar is happy here, he has the dream of being world Champion.



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Post by Doc Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:36 pm

A question (or 2): Does Neymar contract have a buy out clause? If yes, any team meets the buy out clause, does Santos have any say?

Edit: Misread the 1st part of the thread, think that answered my questions Sad
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Post by EarlyPrototype Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:46 pm

Neymar will be a Real Madrid player by the end of next summer 100%. It would be better for us to by him then anyway.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:49 pm

Santos keeping him for one more season is to his benefit, he can keep developing. It's what i had hoped would happen, but it's also going to be his last season, so i wish him to win the serie A and the libertadores again. Next summer we will most likely sign him and be done with it. All parties benefit.
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Post by Ganso Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:50 pm

hell win the libertadores next year and equal his Libertadores legacy to Pele's Afro
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Post by rsinatra Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:43 pm

Ganso wrote:hell win the libertadores next year and equal his Libertadores legacy to Pele's Afro

frak yeah bro!

"Brazilian football is living a rare moment: Santos and Neymar are saying, and maintaining, a "no" to Real Madrid.

Brazilian football and one of its biggest stars are turning their backs on €45 million.

Last year, the same Santos and Neymar said no to Chelsea.

It was as rare then as it is now.

But beware, for that is the word: rare.

Because it isn't unprecedented.

During the 50's and 60's, the same Real Madrid heard many no's, as did AC Milan and Inter.

And the very club who was happy to refuse the offers was the same Santos F.C..

Not because of Neymar, obviously, who didnt' even dream of being born.

But because of a certain Pelé."
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Post by S32TABLANCA Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:01 pm

This is great, he gets to iron out all his issues and develop for a year in Brazil, then come next summer, hopefully saving us a few million at the same time. Looks like everything is working out in the end.
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Post by Zealous Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:15 pm

There is no universe where Neymar is actually worth 45 million. No way.

Blessing in disguise for Madrid and really the way Santos have been kicking and screaming about how awesome they are for rejecting the bid (as if they themselves who rejected it when it was actually Neymar himself that said no) screams of insecurity.

Anyway if Neymar really wants to stay in Brazil forever than he's free to do so but the only thing that will really suffer is his career.

At least Pele has three world cups and 1000 goals to fall back on as an argument in best ever debates. Neymar probably won't have that luxury.
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Post by Sushi Master Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:25 pm

Poor man's Zamparini.
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Post by The Madrid One Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:28 am

hes staying 1 more year, whats the big deal.

hes 19 years old ffs. hes ours anyways :coffee:
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Post by Guest Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:01 am

We'll see if Neymar still wants to stay after being butt raped in the club world championship lmao

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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:13 am

Crimson wrote:We'll see if Neymar still wants to stay after being butt raped in the club world championship lmao
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:14 am

He should stay until he's at least 21.

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Post by barca 2011 Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:05 am

rsinatra wrote:
Ganso wrote:hell win the libertadores next year and equal his Libertadores legacy to Pele's Afro

frak yeah bro!

"Brazilian football is living a rare moment: Santos and Neymar are saying, and maintaining, a "no" to Real Madrid.

Brazilian football and one of its biggest stars are turning their backs on €45 million.

Last year, the same Santos and Neymar said no to Chelsea.

It was as rare then as it is now.

But beware, for that is the word: rare.

Because it isn't unprecedented.

During the 50's and 60's, the same Real Madrid heard many no's, as did AC Milan and Inter.

And the very club who was happy to refuse the offers was the same Santos F.C..

Not because of Neymar, obviously, who didnt' even dream of being born.

But because of a certain Pelé."
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Post by rsinatra Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:51 pm

Saetablanca wrote:This is great, he gets to iron out all his issues and develop for a year in Brazil, then come next summer, hopefully saving us a few million at the same time. Looks like everything is working out in the end.

1 - Neymar will cost the same 45m, to say the least.

Zealous wrote:There is no universe where Neymar is actually worth 45 million. No way.

Blessing in disguise for Madrid and really the way Santos have been kicking and screaming about how awesome they are for rejecting the bid (as if they themselves who rejected it when it was actually Neymar himself that said no) screams of insecurity.

Anyway if Neymar really wants to stay in Brazil forever than he's free to do so but the only thing that will really suffer is his career.

At least Pele has three world cups and 1000 goals to fall back on as an argument in best ever debates. Neymar probably won't have that luxury.

2 - Santos did reject it. What are you basing your comments upon? Neymar didn't want it either, but even if he did, Santos are not forced to let him go, even if Real Madrid meet the 45m. It's in the law, and Santos have rejected it.

3 - Insecurity? Do you know anything about the world of football? About how European clubs with money just take South American players away from our clubs and countries as soon as they look interesting? It's not Santos, the entire Brazil and South America are proud, because it is a rare thing to happen. Look at other clubs, selling their best players to survive as soon as they get good, and Santos are doing the opposite. And yes, it's incredibly difficult, and he probably will leave us during 2012, but at least we kept him for longer than the usual.

4 - Neymar winning the WC with Brazil in 2014 might change everything, if he still is with Santos.

5 - Pelé doesn't have the 3 WCs and 1000 goals as an argument , in fact he was injured at one of those, and officially he doesn't have 1000 goals. The arguments for his talent are others.

6 - Neymar is 19, you dont know what luxuries he'll have.

english_jewel wrote:He should stay until he's at least 21.

That would be awesome. I think he should stay until 22, that'd probably mean he's a Santos player at the next WC Very Happy.
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Post by Zealous Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:55 pm

Cool Story Bro.
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Post by Guest Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:58 pm

Santos rejected an offer that, frankly, they have no right to reject.

There a FIFA rule that you cannot randomly offer a foreign player under 28 that is on his first 3-year contract without club consent UNLESS there's a succinct buyout clause and the player accepts the offer. According to AS, Neymar has already signed a 5-year contract that has a 12-month period to trigger with Madrid. Madrid was trying to get Santos to agree to the sale so that they didn't need to get the player involved. But Santos' president has an election coming up and wants to either a) keep Neymar or b) have Neymar become the villain.

If Neymar breaks the contract + either does not sign with Madrid or signs with another club by next summer, there's a significant damages clause.

Basically, it's all in Neymar's hands when he wants to move. If we pay the release clause and Neymar approves it, he's ours. Regardless, he's ours unless he wants to go to another club and that club agrees to pay us the damage clause on his behalf.

The damages are reciprocal... so Madrid is obligated to follow thru as well.

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Post by rsinatra Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:19 pm

sportsczy wrote:Santos rejected an offer that, frankly, they have no right to reject.

There a FIFA rule that you cannot randomly offer a foreign player under 28 that is on his first 3-year contract without club consent UNLESS there's a succinct buyout clause and the player accepts the offer. According to AS, Neymar has already signed a 5-year contract that has a 12-month period to trigger with Madrid. Madrid was trying to get Santos to agree to the sale so that they didn't need to get the player involved. But Santos' president has an election coming up and wants to either a) keep Neymar or b) have Neymar become the villain.

If Neymar breaks the contract + either does not sign with Madrid or signs with another club by next summer, there's a significant damages clause.

Basically, it's all in Neymar's hands when he wants to move. If we pay the release clause and Neymar approves it, he's ours. Regardless, he's ours unless he wants to go to another club and that club agrees to pay us the damage clause on his behalf.

The damages are reciprocal... so Madrid is obligated to follow thru as well.

I posted on the forum about some laws we have in Brazil which clearly show that we don't have to sell Neymar, even if the buy-out clause is met. I don't know where it is now, but believe me, we don't have to sell him at all. But then again, we don't want to keep a player who wants to go. But for now, he's happy with staying.

Where is the evidence for that contract he's signed? I don't buy it, it's BS, sorry, not that you're the liar, but I don't trust that information. If RM had signed with the player before speaking with the club, Santos would be outraged, they even threatened with going to FIFA and complaining about RM harassment on our player.
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Post by rsinatra Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:19 pm

Zealous wrote:Cool Story Bro.

Suppose you are out of arguments, or you don't have enough knowledge on the matter to say more. . It's okay bounce
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Post by rsinatra Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:27 pm

@sportsczy I've found it, and it seems that you misunderstood some things. Here it is:

- When a player under 28 has signed a contract, there's a 3-year protection from foreign clubs, which means that even if they do pay [in this case] the 45m, the club doesn't have to release the player.

- Neymar signed a new contract with Santos last year, 2010, which means that until 2013, Santos don't have to sell him, even if the buy-out clause is met.

- When the player is over 28, the protection thingy is only 2 years.

Santos will only allow Neymar to leave if they want the money. And, of course, they wouldn't want to keep a player unhappy, but really Neymar would possibly be okay with staying in Brazil until 2014. The thing is that I don't think Neymar could have signed any type of contract with RM when he just signed one with Santos for 5 years last year. That would be illegal, as far as I know.

Back in 2007, Bayern bought Breno from São Paulo for 19m. His price tag was 18m. Do you think Bayern paid 1 million more because they liked São Paulo? No, because the Brazilian club were aware of the rule and asked for more.


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Post by Guest Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:30 pm

rsinatra wrote:
sportsczy wrote:Santos rejected an offer that, frankly, they have no right to reject.

There a FIFA rule that you cannot randomly offer a foreign player under 28 that is on his first 3-year contract without club consent UNLESS there's a succinct buyout clause and the player accepts the offer. According to AS, Neymar has already signed a 5-year contract that has a 12-month period to trigger with Madrid. Madrid was trying to get Santos to agree to the sale so that they didn't need to get the player involved. But Santos' president has an election coming up and wants to either a) keep Neymar or b) have Neymar become the villain.

If Neymar breaks the contract + either does not sign with Madrid or signs with another club by next summer, there's a significant damages clause.

Basically, it's all in Neymar's hands when he wants to move. If we pay the release clause and Neymar approves it, he's ours. Regardless, he's ours unless he wants to go to another club and that club agrees to pay us the damage clause on his behalf.

The damages are reciprocal... so Madrid is obligated to follow thru as well.

I posted on the forum about some laws we have in Brazil which clearly show that we don't have to sell Neymar, even if the buy-out clause is met. I don't know where it is now, but believe me, we don't have to sell him at all. But then again, we don't want to keep a player who wants to go. But for now, he's happy with staying.

Where is the evidence for that contract he's signed? I don't buy it, it's BS, sorry, not that you're the liar, but I don't trust that information. If RM had signed with the player before speaking with the club, Santos would be outraged, they even threatened with going to FIFA and complaining about RM harassment on our player.

You can sign a LOI that creates a mutual option without breaking any laws or creating bad blood. Typically, you would have the actual contract be an exhibit to the binding LOI. Just shows mutual commitment. If it's for the release clause amount, what does the club have to complain about? You don't put a release clause in a contract for show... it means that the clause allows a player to trigger a sale if a specified amount is met.

The only catch is that the player needs to evoke the release clause. A foreign club cannot. If Santos put such a clause in a contract, Neymar agreed to it, both parties signed... and it was illegal in Brazil, Santos and Neymar are both breaking the law. I doubt they would do that.

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Post by rsinatra Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:32 pm

sportsczy wrote:
rsinatra wrote:
sportsczy wrote:Santos rejected an offer that, frankly, they have no right to reject.

There a FIFA rule that you cannot randomly offer a foreign player under 28 that is on his first 3-year contract without club consent UNLESS there's a succinct buyout clause and the player accepts the offer. According to AS, Neymar has already signed a 5-year contract that has a 12-month period to trigger with Madrid. Madrid was trying to get Santos to agree to the sale so that they didn't need to get the player involved. But Santos' president has an election coming up and wants to either a) keep Neymar or b) have Neymar become the villain.

If Neymar breaks the contract + either does not sign with Madrid or signs with another club by next summer, there's a significant damages clause.

Basically, it's all in Neymar's hands when he wants to move. If we pay the release clause and Neymar approves it, he's ours. Regardless, he's ours unless he wants to go to another club and that club agrees to pay us the damage clause on his behalf.

The damages are reciprocal... so Madrid is obligated to follow thru as well.

I posted on the forum about some laws we have in Brazil which clearly show that we don't have to sell Neymar, even if the buy-out clause is met. I don't know where it is now, but believe me, we don't have to sell him at all. But then again, we don't want to keep a player who wants to go. But for now, he's happy with staying.

Where is the evidence for that contract he's signed? I don't buy it, it's BS, sorry, not that you're the liar, but I don't trust that information. If RM had signed with the player before speaking with the club, Santos would be outraged, they even threatened with going to FIFA and complaining about RM harassment on our player.

You can sign a LOI that creates a mutual option without breaking any laws or creating bad blood. Typically, you would have the actual contract be an exhibit to the binding LOI. Just shows mutual commitment. If it's for the release clause amount, what does the club have to complain about? You don't put a release clause in a contract for show... it means that the clause allows a player to trigger a sale if a specified amount is met.

The only catch is that the player needs to evoke the release clause. A foreign club cannot. If Santos put such a clause in a contract, Neymar agreed to it, both parties signed... and it was illegal in Brazil, Santos and Neymar are both breaking the law. I doubt they would do that.

Read my new post. I got that information from a journalist who got it from a lawyer.
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Then what's the point of a buyout clause if you can't trigger it? I trust you. Probably pure BS from AS, Marca and Balague. Or maybe it's jut a verbal agreement... who knows.

I just don't get the inclusion of clause you can't evoke.

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Post by rsinatra Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:00 pm

sportsczy wrote:Then what's the point of a buyout clause if you can't trigger it? I trust you. Probably pure BS from AS, Marca and Balague. Or maybe it's jut a verbal agreement... who knows.

I just don't get the inclusion of clause you can't evoke.

Well, I guess that when you sign the contract, there's gotta be a buy-out clause there, so if Santos want to, they can still sell the player, and after 3 (or 2) years, it's obligatory. I don't fully get it either tbh..

Either way, I sadly don't think Neymar is going to be with us after summer 2012... but I still have hopes Razz
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rsinatra wrote:
sportsczy wrote:Then what's the point of a buyout clause if you can't trigger it? I trust you. Probably pure BS from AS, Marca and Balague. Or maybe it's jut a verbal agreement... who knows.

I just don't get the inclusion of clause you can't evoke.

Well, I guess that when you sign the contract, there's gotta be a buy-out clause there, so if Santos want to, they can still sell the player, and after 3 (or 2) years, it's obligatory. I don't fully get it either tbh..

Either way, I sadly don't think Neymar is going to be with us after summer 2012... but I still have hopes Razz

I've done enough business in emerging countries that circle-jerking is not new to me at all lol... but it's always interesting. Lawyers get paid for things that have absolutely no utility. Just there for them to make money.

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