On Everton, United or Pool/City? Or all of the above?

I really like this Transfer Price Index (about football inflation)

https://tomkinstimes.com/2019/05/man-city-and-liverpools-spending-a-factual-transfer-price-index-analysis/

Give it a read if you haven't already

Jay29 wrote:On Everton, United or Pool/City? Or all of the above?

Everton

Robespierre wrote:League ended, Sunday without football ( no women football pls ) , what could I do ?
Well , I'd like to say two words about Everton.

We aren't talking about newcomers, they're a historical club , they were even the 2nd English club for leagues won till to 80s ( behind to Liverpool), if I remember correctly  they are also  the team to have played the most leagues in first divison (relegated just 4 times)....... .. Yet they haven't won a trophy since 1995.
Not even a League Cup. Not even won a derby away since 1999 (and honestly for some periods there wasn' t this gap between 2 Liverpool clubs). Basically if you are old 25 you can't remember a victory at Anfield, if you are of my age you can remember it hardly.
Yes, it's the age of " big money" and Everton is inferior to others on this , but history tells us that clubs as ne, Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesbrough, even Wigan, Birmingham and Portsmouth, obviously Leicester have won it ( ok I say Newcastle and West Ham United for Intertoto Cup ) ... and Everton..... nothing.
Even their presences in Europe are became rare , they don't relegate  or they don't risk  (except for 1998 ), but  total anonymity.
Yet the chances for winning are more  in England   than elsewhere , for a club that have always had good players.
I remember they were capable even to bottle FA Cup semi-final at Goodison Park, losing against Wigan for 0-3 with 3 goals in 3 minutes.
I feel Everton are slipped in an   infinite grayness as if it 's their normal condition  and noone seems to worry about it.

Thoughts ?

They're making an effort to elevate themselves now that Farhad Moshiri is majority shareholder. Their spending went from £77m (16/17) to £182m (17/18) in one year. Last year it was £90m. The problem is that this is all happening when everyone in the PL is rich, and when you look at the players they're signing, they're actually paying big fees for mid-table/lower table PL players. By comparison, Wolves have jumped to a higher level very quickly by recruiting from abroad, and Leicester went further by recruiting from France.

Before all the money came in, they weren't heavy spenders at all. Fellaini was their record signing at about £20m (higher than Arsenal's record signing for a long time), which was quite a lot at the time, but he was never going to lift them from mid-table. I always associated Moyes' version with a lack of quality attackers, since they always spent a fair bit on players from lower down in the PL, like Yakubu and Andy Johnson. They often played Fellaini and Cahill up front together. Then City get taken over and push one of the traditional top four (United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal) out, which pretty much killed any chance of someone from mid-table having a great year and getting in (as Everton did in 2004/05).

Then you get to the Martinez era and they become a much better attacking team, but their defence turns to shit. They get a couple of top seven finishes but now City are a title winning team and Spurs have improved a lot, so it's a top six instead of a four or five. So even if an Arsenal or Liverpool have a worse than normal year, there was still much competition to get into the CL.

I think Everton need a new stadium (which they're working on) to really stand a chance, but in this era that's not going to make a huge difference. If they managed to do it a few years ago, they would have been a more successful club.

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Mid-season player break set for February

Ten fixtures of Matchweek 26 to be divided over 8 and 15 February to give players a rest

After an agreement in June 2018 between The Football Association, the Premier League and EFL, the 2019/20 Premier League season will be the first to feature a mid-season player break.

The Premier League will split one round of matches in February over two weekends, with five matches on the weekend commencing 8 February 2020 and five on the weekend commencing 15 February.

All five matches on each weekend will be broadcast live in the UK.

The split of the matches will be decided when the UK broadcast picks for the month of February 2020 are announced.

The approximate date for this announcement is 13 December 2019.
Saturday, 8/15 February 2020*

Arsenal v Newcastle United
Aston Villa v Spurs
Brighton v Watford
Chelsea v Man Utd
Everton v Crystal Palace
Man City v West Ham
Norwich City v Liverpool
Sheffield United v AFC Bournemouth
Southampton v Burnley
Wolves v Leicester City

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1241248

Quiz:Can you name the top Premier League goalscorer for every nationality?

https://www.planetfootball.com/quizzes/can-name-top-premier-league-goalscorer-every-nationality/



got spelling of couple of players wrong but still less than half lol

I got 50/97

Spoiler:

I got 28

Spoiler:

Spoiler your answers above Jay for others who might want to take the test. Luckily I clicked on the link quickly before reading your answers.

You kids got too much time.

38

Looking at the ones I didn't get, atleast 10 of them I thought are English by nationality.

Spoiler:

I am a millenial in football, I accept.

Lucifer wrote:You kids got too much time.

How else do you get to 6pm on a Friday mate

Nishankly wrote:38

Looking at the ones I didn't get, atleast 10 of them I thought are English by nationality.

Spoiler:

I am a millenial in football, I accept.

Aquilani

Spoiler:

I even tried Usain Bolt for Jamaica ffs

Got 39.

Was convinced Zola was for Italy, thought the site was malfunctioning ffs. Forgot about that fascist.

Was stumped when neither Kewell nor Cahill was not it for Australia.

Did not know Kanoute ever played in PL. I thought he retired or went to Arab leagues after Sevilla.

My PL knowledge is dropping, got 33.

Somehow missed out on three Arsenal players, Mesut Özil (a truly wtf moment for me), Ljungberg and van Persie (kept trying for Bergkamp/van Nistelrooy). Now that I think of it, these two aren't even the 2nd best Dutch goalscorers in the PL.

Got 90

Kaladin wrote:Got 90

OUT. Bonaventura doesn't count for 17 countries.

Is the poll/quiz closed? I tried, but it wouldn't take any name while the clock kept ticking.

Anyway, wouldn't have got more than 20

Same. Got like 15. My PL knowledge is pretty piss poor.

urbaNRoots wrote:My PL knowledge is dropping, got 33.

Somehow missed out on three Arsenal players, Mesut Özil (a truly wtf moment for me), Ljungberg and van Persie (kept trying for Bergkamp/van Nistelrooy). Now that I think of it, these two aren't even the 2nd best Dutch goalscorers in the PL.

Managed Ozil (although I guessed it, it was a wtf moment for me. I thought it would be Klinsmann or some German striker). However, I kept typing in Bergkamp and Van Nistelrooy instead of Van Persie as well Forgot about that dude somehow

Jay29 wrote:

Robespierre wrote:League ended, Sunday without football ( no women football pls ) , what could I do ?
Well , I'd like to say two words about Everton.

We aren't talking about newcomers, they're a historical club , they were even the 2nd English club for leagues won till to 80s ( behind to Liverpool), if I remember correctly  they are also  the team to have played the most leagues in first divison (relegated just 4 times)....... .. Yet they haven't won a trophy since 1995.
Not even a League Cup. Not even won a derby away since 1999 (and honestly for some periods there wasn' t this gap between 2 Liverpool clubs). Basically if you are old 25 you can't remember a victory at Anfield, if you are of my age you can remember it hardly.
Yes, it's the age of " big money" and Everton is inferior to others on this , but history tells us that clubs as ne, Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesbrough, even Wigan, Birmingham and Portsmouth, obviously Leicester have won it ( ok I say Newcastle and West Ham United for Intertoto Cup ) ... and Everton..... nothing.
Even their presences in Europe are became rare , they don't relegate  or they don't risk  (except for 1998 ), but  total anonymity.
Yet the chances for winning are more  in England   than elsewhere , for a club that have always had good players.
I remember they were capable even to bottle FA Cup semi-final at Goodison Park, losing against Wigan for 0-3 with 3 goals in 3 minutes.
I feel Everton are slipped in an   infinite grayness as if it 's their normal condition  and noone seems to worry about it.

Thoughts ?

They're making an effort to elevate themselves now that Farhad Moshiri is majority shareholder. Their spending went from £77m (16/17) to £182m (17/18) in one year. Last year it was £90m. The problem is that this is all happening when everyone in the PL is rich, and when you look at the players they're signing, they're actually paying big fees for mid-table/lower table PL players. By comparison, Wolves have jumped to a higher level very quickly by recruiting from abroad, and Leicester went further by recruiting from France.

Before all the money came in, they weren't heavy spenders at all. Fellaini was their record signing at about £20m (higher than Arsenal's record signing for a long time), which was quite a lot at the time, but he was never going to lift them from mid-table. I always associated Moyes' version with a lack of quality attackers, since they always spent a fair bit on players from lower down in the PL, like Yakubu and Andy Johnson. They often played Fellaini and Cahill up front together. Then City get taken over and push one of the traditional top four (United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal) out, which pretty much killed any chance of someone from mid-table having a great year and getting in (as Everton did in 2004/05).

Then you get to the Martinez era and they become a much better attacking team, but their defence turns to shit. They get a couple of top seven finishes but now City are a title winning team and Spurs have improved a lot, so it's a top six instead of a four or five. So even if an Arsenal or Liverpool have a worse than normal year, there was still much competition to get into the CL.

I think Everton need a new stadium (which they're working on) to really stand a chance, but in this era that's not going to make a huge difference. If they managed to do it a few years ago, they would have been a more successful club.

Yeah , I remember irony on Everton when they had signed Lukaku for big money and ppl were saying they could get bankruptcy for it

Everton under Moyes were carried from fullbacks ( I rated so highly Baines, he'd deserved a better club ) but attack was so poor ... Anichiebe sometimes was playing and that's enough

Thanks for other informations , I didn't know it

44/97 on that Sporcle game

Some things to say:
I was convinced Berahino was English lol
Same for Sessegnon ( and honestly, I know nothing about Benin)

Just a Polish scorer in Premier League ? Weird, it is not really their league. If I think Polish players are so effective in Serie A (main CF for Napoli and Milan but not only)

I've barely heard some players, shame to have forgotten Jelavic (legit under Moyes ) and Roque Santa Cruz ( I insisted on Carodozo or Acuna lol While that Columbian guy ? Never heard.)

so with Sarri off to Juve are Chelsea actually replacing him with Lampard? seems a risk.

They're in a rebuilding phase anyway, might as well take the risk.

Firenze wrote:so with Sarri off to Juve are Chelsea actually replacing him with Lampard? seems a risk.

Yep. Huge risk if you ask me.
I like Lampard and I think he might be a good manager, or on his way to becoming one, but I think this is too much too fast for him.
And Chelsea's ridiculous rate of burning through managers, it's only kind of working as long as they keep hiring seasoned international top professionals, but hiring someone who has never coached in a top league before?

I would say this will go badly rather than well.

Firenze wrote:so with Sarri off to Juve are Chelsea actually replacing him with Lampard? seems a risk.

We're transfer banned, anyone we take is a risk, may as well take a high potential manager and give him some time to see how he does.