Re: Cristiano Ronaldo rape allegation and general denunciation thread

[sportsczy]

It will come down to her character... i.e. what type of person she is outside of this incident.  I will also come down to whether other women make the same accusation.   Rapists rarely just do it once (unfortunately).

So this is just early days in finding out the likely truth.

[Mr Nick09]

Except that i have not sided with anyone though, as i said in an earlier post, i am waiting for due process.

[Collblanc]

I dont see Nick siding with her, but I see him standing up for woman in general who are afraid to speak out in a masculine society. We dont know if Ronaldo is guilty of rape, but we can respond to comments claiming she is a golddigger, that she called it upon herself, that she is trying to get fame etc etc. You cant just normalize toxic masculine behaviiour by reversing it.

[Vlad the Impaler]

Nick, you do realize that you're already siding with her even though there's still no damning evidence to incriminate him? You're the perfect proof that sex victims are almost always believed, regardless of whether they truly are telling the truth or simply falsely accusing an innocent man of rape.

Basically, there are two scenarios to this whole thing:

1) Ronaldo raped her and she's telling the truth.
2) Ronaldo didn't rape her, and she's falsely accusing him of rape.

What we have so far doesn't in any way prove neither of the two scenarios. The sensible thing to do right now is to take a step back and stay neutral until the guilty one gets identified by justice. If it's Ronaldo, I hope he doesn't get out of prison for it. If it's her, I hope she doesn't get out of prison as well.

So let's wait and see.

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Exactly what I was thinking. It's too often that I read your posts and you are saying the exact same thing I am thinking. Most of the times I don't even have to bother to say something cause it was already said by you. Haha!

[Mr Nick09]

It will come down to her character... i.e. what type of person she is outside of this incident.  I will also come down to whether other women make the same accusation.   Rapists rarely just do it once (unfortunately).

So this is just early days in finding out the likely truth.

Again, her character should not matter in a situation like this, it doesnt matter if she is a pornstar, rape is rape.

[Unique]

It will come down to her character... i.e. what type of person she is outside of this incident.  I will also come down to whether other women make the same accusation.   Rapists rarely just do it once (unfortunately).

So this is just early days in finding out the likely truth.

and thats the sad thing in cases like this. it dont matter how a women lives her life if she dont want to have sex with you then thats the end of it. but as people have pointed out lets wait and hope the truth comes out one way or the other.

[sportsczy]

When you have 1v1 in terms of your word against the other person and ZERO other proof, it does come down to character.

Remember that the burden of proof is on the accuser.  You're presumed innocent in the US.  So she's going to need to prove her case.  

Even if she's the most upstanding person in the world, she still need to prove that she was raped. There needs to be more evidence than what she says.

[Thimmy]

Nick, you do realize that you're already siding with her even though there's still no damning evidence to incriminate him? You're the perfect proof that sex victims are almost always believed, regardless of whether they truly are telling the truth or simply falsely accusing an innocent man of rape.

Basically, there are two scenarios to this whole thing:

1) Ronaldo raped her and she's telling the truth.
2) Ronaldo didn't rape her, and she's falsely accusing him of rape.

What we have so far doesn't in any way prove neither of the two scenarios. The sensible thing to do right now is to take a step back and stay neutral until the guilty one gets identified by justice. If it's Ronaldo, I hope he doesn't get out of prison for it. If it's her, I hope she doesn't get out of prison as well.

So let's wait and see.

The third scenario is that he didn't consider it rape, but she did - which isn't that uncommon, even in relationships. It's rape, nonetheless, but a more complicated type of rape.

[Luca]

I agree with Nick that character shouldn't matter but it does. Ronaldo's legal team will absolutely do everything they can in law to dispute her claims, and ultimately that will lead to such a narrative at the night that either makes Ronaldo seem blameless, her story seem made up, or just enough to cast doubt on it. Unfortunately, that's the system and the avenue you go down when you try to recover damages or put someone in prison

[Luca]

When you have 1v1 in terms of your word against the other person and ZERO other proof, it does come down to character.

Remember that the burden of proof is on the accuser.  You're presumed innocent in the US.  So she's going to need to prove her case.  

Even if she's the most upstanding person in the world, she still need to prove that she was raped. There needs to be more evidence than what she says.

That's only indicative of the criminal nature, and not the civil proceeding she is pursuing though but it will still be on her to show that yes, it happened, and yes it caused her immense damage as a result

[Unique]

we can see it now what both lawyers will say. ronaldos will say the girl is just looking for money. and the girls lawyer will say why did ronaldo pay the girl if he didnt do anything wrong.

[Mr Nick09]

Also, keep in mind if you read the law suit, CR lawyers had already hired people to follow her around and to catch her in compromising situation with men after the incident and it went no where

[Luca]

Well, if we read it, it must be true. Ronaldo would definitely be the first person to ever investigate someone suing him

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[Kebab]

Why i got a yellow card. You deleted it so i cant see what was the reason. And explain why nick screamed like somebody anally raped him. Really i cant see what i did wrong and what violent language i used in a rape thread

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[Unique]

Why i got a yellow card. You deleted it so i cant see what was the reason. And explain why nick screamed like somebody anally raped him. Really i cant see what i did wrong and what violent language i used in a rape thread

you are pushing your luck dude

[Kebab]

There was nothing wrong with my post. I got warning because nick screamed at me and admin punished both of us

[Zagadka]

Nick, you do realize that you're already siding with her even though there's still no damning evidence to incriminate him? You're the perfect proof that sex victims are almost always believed, regardless of whether they truly are telling the truth or simply falsely accusing an innocent man of rape.

Basically, there are two scenarios to this whole thing:

1) Ronaldo raped her and she's telling the truth.
2) Ronaldo didn't rape her, and she's falsely accusing him of rape.

What we have so far doesn't in any way prove neither of the two scenarios. The sensible thing to do right now is to take a step back and stay neutral until the guilty one gets identified by justice. If it's Ronaldo, I hope he doesn't get out of prison for it. If it's her, I hope she doesn't get out of prison as well.

So let's wait and see.

Well said. This is a very huge issue and I can't believe easily people can make a position without verifiable, indisputable facts being on the table. You nailed it.



I wonder if people would still be the same if it was themselves who was accused of RAPE (The most inhumane crime next to intentional murder). This is serious allegations and if true a terrible crime. but an IF ... so let's wait and see, but of course in this age of social media and short attention spans and heart over brain, the concept of waiting for proof and more info is trivial to most.

[Thimmy]

Nick, you do realize that you're already siding with her even though there's still no damning evidence to incriminate him? You're the perfect proof that sex victims are almost always believed, regardless of whether they truly are telling the truth or simply falsely accusing an innocent man of rape.

Basically, there are two scenarios to this whole thing:

1) Ronaldo raped her and she's telling the truth.
2) Ronaldo didn't rape her, and she's falsely accusing him of rape.

What we have so far doesn't in any way prove neither of the two scenarios. The sensible thing to do right now is to take a step back and stay neutral until the guilty one gets identified by justice. If it's Ronaldo, I hope he doesn't get out of prison for it. If it's her, I hope she doesn't get out of prison as well.

So let's wait and see.

Well said. This is a very huge issue and I can't believe easily people can make a position without verifiable, indisputable facts being on the table. You nailed it.



I wonder if people would still be the same if it was themselves who was accused of RAPE (The most inhumane crime next to intentional murder). This is serious allegations and if true a terrible crime. but an IF ... so let's wait and see, but of course in this age of social media and short attention spans and heart over brain, the concept of waiting for proof and more info is trivial to most.

Are you suggesting that GL Justice is largely leftist/progressive? I can't believe it. Show me the proof

Actually, don't show me the proof. It might offend someone. We don't want that.

[adun101]

I see nothing unusual in this video, i dont see the ass grabbing you are talking about, but it doesnt matter anyway. this is irrelevant

She doesn't grab his ass, but she slaps it twice at 0:55. It's a case of he said, she said. a video showing her all over him a couple of hours before the alleged rape rape will be a big deal.

Again, her character should not matter in a situation like this, it doesnt matter if she is a pornstar, rape is rape.

Again, he said/she said, so hers and his character will matter a lot. But you have no idea what character is. Someone's "promiscuity" has no bearing on the goodness of their character, so your pornstar analogy is irrelevant. Honestly, this world would be a lot better if people stopped judging women based on how many guys they have banged.

[Freeza]

Nick, you do realize that you're already siding with her even though there's still no damning evidence to incriminate him? You're the perfect proof that sex victims are almost always believed, regardless of whether they truly are telling the truth or simply falsely accusing an innocent man of rape.

Basically, there are two scenarios to this whole thing:

1) Ronaldo raped her and she's telling the truth.
2) Ronaldo didn't rape her, and she's falsely accusing him of rape.

What we have so far doesn't in any way prove neither of the two scenarios. The sensible thing to do right now is to take a step back and stay neutral until the guilty one gets identified by justice. If it's Ronaldo, I hope he doesn't get out of prison for it. If it's her, I hope she doesn't get out of prison as well.

So let's wait and see.

Well said. This is a very huge issue and I can't believe easily people can make a position without verifiable, indisputable facts being on the table. You nailed it.



I wonder if people would still be the same if it was themselves who was accused of RAPE (The most inhumane crime next to intentional murder). This is serious allegations and if true a terrible crime. but an IF ... so let's wait and see, but of course in this age of social media and short attention spans and heart over brain, the concept of waiting for proof and more info is trivial to most.

Are you suggesting that GL Justice is largely leftist/progressive? I can't believe it. Show me the proof

Actually, don't show me the proof. It might offend someone. We don't want that.

GL is hardly progressive, but keep on keeping on.

Just look at people in this thread saying a woman wanted sex because she danced with a guy in a club.

[BarrileteCosmico]

Why are you all talking like this is a she said vs he said thing? The girl was immediately hospitalized after the act, with a record of her injuries. Ronaldo allegedly admitted that she said "no" several times, on the record. It may not be much, but it's something concrete.

[Hapless_Hans]

Why are you all talking like this is a she said vs he said thing? The girl was immediately hospitalized after the act, with a record of her injuries. Ronaldo allegedly admitted that she said "no" several times, on the record. It may not be much, but it's something concrete.

Exactly.
It's interesting how this whole things keeps getting framed.

Actually, rape is rarely ever this stereotypical "he said, she said" type of situation where OH DEAR we don't know who to believe, the type of which Sepi is horrified to one day find himself in.

In most cases, it's a "she didn't say" type of situation, because mostly women get raped and never say anything.

In this case, it was a "he said, she was injured but didn't dare to say" situation, which turned into a "he said, she got paid not to say" situation

[Robespierre]

Surely noone 'd defend CR for a rape here.
Personally I don't care because I feel these are just bulls×its
I can't believe CR has made this , personally not a great fan of crap gossip news, It 's usually stuff for old women who drink cups of tea in the afternoon ( I believe this happens in civilized countries)

After you complained about me saying Italy were behind on this stuff compared to the rest of Europe, you make a post like this? Incredible.

This is not gossip. It was reported by one the most reputable papers in Europe and picked up by plenty respected publications throughout the world.

Then when you dismiss it as “female bullshit gossip” you’re kind of proving my initial point.

I dont' even care to defend Ronaldo (let alone, a Juve player) , while it's curious how RM fans have changed attitudine towards him after his transfer to Juve

Simply I believe in presumption of innocence, not even a process has begun against him so really calma.

It's just matter of Rule of Law, , you are going to process him on Goallegacy

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