Looking forward to the day you turn on Lopetegui and start a full on revisionist campaign

Won't take long, maybe half a year.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote: you are reading the game wrong, both Asensio and Costa are isolated up front. do you see the ball going to them in wide areas?

Spain are playing very poorly, they dont have a coach and it shows.

now it's the teams fault when it suits you

you numpty

Hierro is not a coach he doesnt know what he is doing, and Spain only worked well in the first game. Spain style requires constant adjustment and instructions and no one is there to provide them.

Not to mention their pressing has gone out of whack.

Yeah and Argentina really knew what they were doing

You aren't wrong but it's funny you make excuses when it suits you and criticise others for the same reasons your making excuses here.

Try to be consistent then it wouldn't be so easy for you to look so stupid.

Silva who was supposed to take over from Xaviniesta is looking so passive, what a fraud. bring thiago on please or Iago Aspas

Silva has been the worst Spanish player in all games hasn't he? Amazing how he keeps his place.

Hapless_Hans wrote:Silva has been the worst Spanish player in all games hasn't he? Amazing how he keeps his place.

Well Pique has been the worst. Silva is 2nd.

Shouldn't have removed the giant.

He was causing some aerial problems, and that looked like the only effective venue of attacking for Russia.

Also, Russia's player's are slipping too much. It's like they are extending themselves beyond their natural abilities.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

now it's the teams fault when it suits you

you numpty

Hierro is not a coach he doesnt know what he is doing, and Spain only worked well in the first game. Spain style requires constant adjustment and instructions and no one is there to provide them.

Not to mention their pressing has gone out of whack.

Yeah and Argentina really knew what they were doing

You aren't wrong but it's funny you make excuses when it suits you and criticise others for the same reasons your making excuses here.

Try to be consistent then it wouldn't be so easy for you to look so stupid.

are you actually asking me to hold the same line of comparison for Asensio with Spain vs Messi with Argentina? is this a serious argument we should waste our time on? nope.

I said yesterday that Messi did not have a good world cup, he had a single moment of genius vs Nigeria, and everything else was a wash.

Of course i understand his team was not good enough, that's why they are out, but even by the standards he played at this season with Barca, he was poor. We are talking about a potential GOAT not asensio, i think the standards to rate him should be slightly higher

zigra wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:Silva has been the worst Spanish player in all games hasn't he? Amazing how he keeps his place.

Well Pique has been the worst. Silva is 2nd.

True. Amazing that Lopetegui left a GOAT CB AND GOAT DM in one at home with Javi Martinez to play the washed up Busquets and Pique who clearly don't give a damn about anything anymore, and wanted to secede from the country

Silva has never performed in a tournament. Another World Cup, another flop performance.

Spain are incredibly ineffective with their possession. Someone should remind them the objective is to score goals.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

zigra wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:Silva has been the worst Spanish player in all games hasn't he? Amazing how he keeps his place.

Well Pique has been the worst. Silva is 2nd.

True. Amazing that Lopetegui left a GOAT CB AND GOAT DM in one at home with Javi Martinez to play the washed up Busquets and Pique who clearly don't give a damn about anything anymore, and wanted to secede from the country

Ah now that you said it... I was thinking about a player who could replace Pique. Yeah, that's a terrible decision but for some reason Pique keeps starting for club and country despite being a disgrace. It doesn't really make sense but hey.

Art Morte wrote:Spain are incredibly ineffective with their possession. Someone should remind them the objective is to score goals.

You are wrong.

Spain are very effective at putting the Russian's to sleep.

They will hypnotize them with possession and then kill them with another fluke goal.

Ignashevich with the worst clearance of all time

Spain and de Boer would be a match made in heaven.

Nope I'm saying he wasn't put in the position to succeed, just like Asensio isn't today.

Don't care how good you are if you are isolated then you will look like crap, it's stupid to expect any forward to do something in these scenarios.

The fact he's a potential GOAT is completely irrelevant, he either stays up front and never sees the ball or comes deep and has to dribble 40 yards to get close the goal.

You really don't understand football if you don't get this tbh.

Russia has two or three good players with a bunch of other's who can't pass or take a ball to save their lives.

Yet, Spain are so afraid of their counter attacks they REFUSE to go into any attacking move with numbers.

“Watching Spain is like being at a baggage carousel where your suitcase never arrives,”

Costa taken off? WTF?

Did Spain play a different style before they changed managers?

EVEN THEIR FREAKING THROW IN THEY RETURN IT TO THE DEFENSE.

then maybe we need to close all players appreciation thread and stop talking about how good x or y player.

we have to be able to talk about both at the same time, the team and the player performance. and i refuse to put Asensio's potential impact on a game at the same scale as Messi's.

If you want to reason why argentina lost and havent won the world cup in the messi's era, then you are right you can point to how disfunctional the team is and has been at times. yet, i also watched the game, and i saw a very lacklustre Messi, far from the standards we usually expect from him.

We have seen dysfunctional teams before reaching greatness because they were being lead by a single great player. Was that too much to expect or ask from Messi? maybe.

Ineista the only one providing some magic to the game.

zigra wrote:Did Spain play a different style before they changed managers?

Yeah. They played some spectacular stuff in earlier games this year tbf.
But I believe they'd have played just as poorly now were Lopetegui still in place.

zigra wrote:Did Spain play a different style before they changed managers?

They've played this way since 2010 lol, only difference is Xavi retired.

Iniesta legit looks like a grandpa.