by Vitor Birner in Portuguese (http://blogdobirner.virgula.uol.com.br)

A big part of the Brazilian population believes that the Seleção's defeat to Holland and consequent elimination from the 2010 World Cup was due to the fact that Dunga didn't call up Ganso and Neymar.

I often defended the work of Brazil's former coach.

My only criticism was against the isolation of our athletes at their training center during the tournament, for I feared that the excess of tension would end up resulting in exaggerated tension on the pitch.

The match against Holland showed the mistake made by the coach.

I did not approve of Júlio Baptista's either.

I would've taken Santos midfield man (Ganso), but that doesn't change the fact that Dunga did a good job.

It's worth remembering the fact that he inherited a very careless, unmotivated squad, who displayed a shameful behavior at the 2006 WC.

The weak performances by the Santos stars at the Copa América confirmed Dunga was right.

They need some experience/getting-used-to to be able to repeat their performances with the Libertadores champions with our national team.

Mano, who is not responsible of the Brazilian elimination from the Copa América, dd well in insisting in the two boys.

The possibility of Brazil having a great squad for the 2014 WC is directly linked to their performances.

And only by playing, will they be able to adapt. They've got the potential.

The analysts of results and titles today are going for Mano's throat.

To join them would be convenient for me, because saying that which satisfies the unhappy (who love the seleção, are dissatisfied, I don't blame them) will make me look good.

I've never done that.

Those who like football, the game itself, besides trophies and wins (it's fundamental to emphasize that good football end up in victories), understand the seleção's moment and the reasons for the fiasco.

Some people believe that the kids need to be options, like, ride the seleção's bench a little... and then have some bigger names come in like Kaká and stuff.. I'm not sure I agree... they need to play lest we they do well at the WC.

How old were Ganso and Neymar in 2010??? No way they were the cause. They're very talented... but not that good yet. They're not close to being WC.

sportsczy wrote:How old were Ganso and Neymar in 2010??? No way they were the cause. They're very talented... but not that good yet. They're not close to being WC.

rofl agreed!

omarish are you actually rolling on the floor wiht laughter because of that comment>?

theaguia wrote:omarish are you actually rolling on the floor wiht laughter because of that comment>?

Maybe.

sportsczy wrote:How old were Ganso and Neymar in 2010??? No way they were the cause. They're very talented... but not that good yet. They're not close to being WC.

One year younger, but they did lead us to two titles already, one of which qualified us to the 2011 Libertadores, which we won. But yeah it's crazy, after the WC Neymar went on to create a LOT of trouble before finally learning to behave later on. Imaigne him at the WC, he probably wouldn't have dared to do anything on the pitch.

Ganso was already 20 though, he would've been a better option that Julio Baptista.

Either way, I think he might have done with Ganso and Neymar the same that was done with Ronaldo Fenomeno in 1994. Ronaldo was 18 back then, and got called up. He didn't play one single match, one single minute. He was just riding the bench. But he trained with the team, and he said that just by being there and playing with those players gave him a LOT of experience. Perhaps if they'd done that last year, they would've been a bit better this year. But that's all speculation, of course.

Also, what many people mean by it being the reason we lost to Holland, is that we just didn't have many option. When Holland scored 2-1 and things got ugly, who did we have on the bench? Baptista? Kleberson? Josue? Which of them can reaaally make a difference?

With Brazil having no wc qualifiers wouldn't it be even more harder for the likes of Ganso and Neymar to get used to national team.So keeping them on the bench for some matches and rotating with the likes of Kaka will be pointless IMO.They should play as much as possible.

omarish wrote:

theaguia wrote:omarish are you actually rolling on the floor wiht laughter because of that comment>?

Maybe.

im just pulling your leg dont worry

Not taking Ronaldinho and Pato was far worst. Leiva would of did well too.

Ganso and Neymar weren't ready, and by the looks of the Copa America, still aren't. Was impressed with Ganso, though.

Leiva wasn't even playing well at the time he shouldn't have been taken.

The only i quarrel i had about dunga's reign was his inability to make use of the younger generation..

His tactics and first eleven were perfect, the only way that side could've lost is by sabotage and luck.

I feel no sympathy for him, nor do i feel his resignation was undeserved. He refused to hear the pleas of everyone around him and decided to do his own thing, wtf was he thinking taking Julio Baptista along after his horrible horrible form for Roma.

Dunga was not right about Ganso and Neymar , he made an assumption that they wouldn't work, without even trying to use them in the build up to the world cup, not even Hernanes was given a real chance and he was the best midfielder in brazil for 2-3 season's.

The state in which Brazil Nt find themselves in has much to do with Dunga's inability to introduce the youngsters into the team, which is why he is not suited to be Brazil's current coach. His success has come at the cost of Brazils younger talents being excluded from a great learning experience..

If you think about it who of the Brazilian team that might take the field in 2014 have played in a wc before, only T.S, Dani and Julio might make be the only ones and between them only Julio played a significant role in Dunga's side. Mentally how prepared will they be ?

This is why Mano HAD to play ganso, neymar , pato, ramirez, because these youngsters will form the core of the next two wc sides in 2014 and 2018.

Should have took Pato And Neymar
Good Read

It's time to get Robinho out of the team, I don't get why he's insisted upon. Marcelo played as an left winger would create more for the team and also contribute to defense and midfield with his intense work rate.

im ok with not calling up neymar because he was very young,but ganso has been great and consistent for the past years,he should have called him up for the bench.

Elano got injured,look who we had in the bench?Kaka got red carded?Who the hell did we have in the bench?

Magricos wrote: Leiva wasn't even playing well at the time he shouldn't have been taken.

LUcas had a good season and a far better one than Melo.

BeautifulGame wrote:

Magricos wrote: Leiva wasn't even playing well at the time he shouldn't have been taken.

LUcas had a good season and a far better one than Melo.

as i said,brazil nt coaches call up their friends,not players who had good seasons

ridiculous i know,i cringe every time i see andre santos now and when i used to see felipe melo in 2010

Ganso wrote:im ok with not calling up neymar because he was very young,but ganso has been great and consistent for the past years,he should have called him up for the bench.

Elano got injured,look who we had in the bench? Kaka got red carded? Who the hell did we have in the bench?

Ronaldinho and Pato had great seasons, they should have been taken. And watching Gilberto go against Robben almost made me vomit.

I would have taken Hernanes.

I just think there's a void left from the Brasil's golden generation (Cafu, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos, Romario etc)

All those guys are done are not being called up anymore (Kaka, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos) for younger guys, so I think Brasil went from not having that generation (World beaters) anymore to having the one after (lead by Luis Fabiano and Robinho at the Confederations Cup).

Now they are trying blend in that group with the younger generation. It's a transition, and I am not quite sure why Brasil expects this generation or any generation any time soon to reach the level of the one that was dominating for so long lead by Ronaldo. Not a diss, it's just that it is a hard feat to achieve again so quickly for any country

just my 2 cents

Dunga team was a beast.

They probably would have beaten Spain. But cheating and diry holland players broken so much hard work. In the first half, Holland was getting destroyed by Brazil.

They had to start from somewhere though. the sooner, the better