Yeah well I agree to a certain extent too... Benz isn't challenging himself so his talent isn't maximized. He's content with his current lot. A shame because he could have been more perhaps. But you also can't blame him... The grass isn't always greener on the other side and his current status is pretty darn high. He's not a risk taker when he has a lot to lose.

No one is disputing that he would win more trophies at Real Madrid than most teams but trophies alone don't always define the legacy of a player. Just imagine if he helped Arsenal win their first league league title in how many years... Arsenal's overly enthuastic fans would help his legacy keep on for a long long time or if he won the 1st CL with PSG or help Man Utd get back to the top, these are the things for which he would he remembered for (on top of his great contribution with Real Madrid). Maybe it will help him become more of a leader for France too, it is worth a try because so far he hasn't made his mark with the NT.

Now compare that to winning a couple more league titles and a CL with Real Madrid where Ramos/Cristiano clearly overshadow him and maybe some other players too. It all depends on where his priorities are.

sportsczy wrote:Yeah well I agree to a certain extent too... Benz isn't challenging himself so his talent isn't maximized. He's content with his current lot. A shame because he could have been more perhaps. But you also can't blame him... The grass isn't always greener on the other side and his current status is pretty darn high. He's not a risk taker when he has a lot to lose.

He has already won the CL and La Liga, he knows he can't win individual trophies with Real Madrid, and his NT career hasn't progressed at all, what has he got to lose? He's 27 and time is running out for him.

At worst he will end his career with what he has done in Real Madrid which is pretty damn impressive already, at best he can estabilish himself as one of the best French strikers in history.

That's not how he thinks. He feels that Madrid is the biggest club in the world and he's the starting CF for them. He doesn't view the world in terms of individual achievement... but in terms of team achievement. So why would he take a step down from being that starting CF at Madrid to the starting CF at Arsenal? The only way his thinking changes is if he no longer starts... then he'll look to become the starting CF at the best possible alternative, which won't necessarily be Arsenal btw.

He doesn't play the typical style of a CF and he doesn't think like your typical footballer either... He's not looking to be a big fish in a smaller pond.

He has said he wants to win Ballon d'Or one day so he does care about individual achievements.

He has also expressed his interest in becoming a leader for the national team which he isn't going to achieve so long as he has Cristiano taking the pressure off him at club level whenever things get tough.

urbaNRoots wrote:He has said he wants to win Ballon d'Or one day so he does care about individual achievements.

He has also expressed his interest in becoming a leader for the national team which he isn't going to achieve so long as he has Cristiano taking the pressure off him at club level whenever things get tough.

For the first he doesnt have the talent to win Balondor every body knows that.

For the second. That is really dumb point. If he isnt a leader for France it means he isnt a leader type for france,bringing CR into this and some how relating it to his performance with France....its almost chad level.

Neyrmar is in shadow of Messi but some how takes the leadership role when it comes to National team. Same with James Rodriguez, Bale,Suarez etc.

Well that's exactly what I'm talking about, a change can be good for him.

Neymar has been a leader for Santos just recently, Benzema never has for Real Madrid, the Lyon days are too long away now and that is the difference between the two. It could be a reason why he can't do it for France because he is used to have other players step up for him when things get tough and he doesn't have that for France. Maybe being a big fish in a small pond can help that, maybe it won't but atleast he coould try a change as opposed to the usual same.

Very adult of you to call my point dumb though.

Why doesn't he leave Madrid ?

Maybe because he wants to establish himself as a club legend of the biggest and most famous club in the world and earn more acclaim as a result of that.

There even have been former Ballon Dor winners at Madrid who haven't established themselves as the cream of the crop so it's pretty big for Benzema if he manages to achieve that feat.

Being a top player and key contributor for Madrid > being THE MAN at an EPL club.

But apparently he needs to leave because he's playing second fiddle to Cristiano

He won't leave unless he's forced out.That's pretty clear at this point.

Benzema hasn't really won over the fans yet and as a striker he doesn't score enough goals to even have a look in at becoming a legend. For us football fanatics we see the little things he does good but for the average fan he has been nothing but average. Wyen he quits Madrid there will never be a "remember when he scored in this/that game that won us the xyz". Even Hig who was sold is very fondly remembered for what he did under Capello. Fans will remember him as the guy who was protected by the president despite being fairly average throughout his 5/6 year career at Madrid. At Arsenal the moment he gets them winning against Chelsea two games in a row he becomes an instant hero. It's tough at Madrid, staying is not better for him personal achievement wise which leads me to believe there is more than just football that's keeping him with us

None cares what you fans think.

Madrid wouldn't have sold Özil if they listened to fans' opinion.
[As long as he's contributing to Madrid's cause and the coach entrusts upon him then he'll do fine.

He's already had a pretty good career at Madrid.

okay, this talk about he should join arsenal and lead them to the epl title and continental success is a bit of a stretch. this arsenal side even with the addition of benzema won't be some beast team, two, unlike the arsenal sides of old,, this side is facing 3 rivals on the domestic front who can all restock on personnel. not to mention, the likes of madrid, bayern, barcelona, juve, atleti, psg on the continental front....if he really wants to win ballon d'or (which honestly i think he just says that to give the media something to write about...i don't think in his head or heart he thinks he can win it, nor wants to), he will not win it like that, not on that team

yes he may score and perform well, but these days the balon d'or has become a stat fest, he's not scoring 40 at arsenal, not by a long shot. and there are other players at real madrid, barcelona, bayern, chelsea, who are also going to be ripe candidates for the award....his chances of winning balon d'or at arsenal will be similar to the chances of him winning it at madrid....maybe even less imo

titosantill wrote:okay, this talk about he should join arsenal and lead them to the epl title and continental success is a bit of a stretch. this arsenal side even with the addition of benzema won't be some beast team, two, unlike the arsenal sides of old,, this side is facing 3 rivals on the domestic front who can all restock on personnel. not to mention, the likes of madrid, bayern, barcelona, juve, atleti, psg on the continental front....if he really wants to win ballon d'or (which honestly i think he just says that to give the media something to write about...i don't think in his head or heart he thinks he can win it, nor wants to), he will not win it like that, not on that team

yes he may score and perform well, but these days the balon d'or has become a stat fest, he's not scoring 40 at arsenal, not by a long shot. and there are other players at real madrid, barcelona, bayern, chelsea, who are also going to be ripe candidates for the award....his chances of winning balon d'or at arsenal will be similar to the chances of him winning it at madrid....maybe even less imo

agree with all.

Also, people on here musing about Benzema's supposed lack of individual 'ambition' should take a deep breath and check their heads.

Because we're talking about the starting forward of Real Madrid
That lack of ambition lmao

S wrote:None cares what you fans think.

Madrid wouldn't have sold Özil if they listened to fans' opinion.
[As long as he's contributing to Madrid's cause and the coach entrusts upon him then he'll do fine.

He's already had a pretty good career at Madrid.

Who was talking about getting sold???

A player is remembered by the fans not by the president. If it was up to the president Iker would probably not be remembered at all but the fans appreciate what he did for us in his prime. And if you ask a bunch of Madrid fans who they'll remembered most fondly between Ozil and Benzema, I can guarantee you 9 times out of 10 it'll be Ozil

If he sees out his prime years at Madrid and contributes towards winning more trophies, he'd have done well enough to earn legend status or atleast come close to it.

Seriously, nobody cares about what stupid spoilt fans think.

The club and the coach has faith in him and that'd do enough to his confidence and morale.

In the future yes things could change but I was talking as of right now. The fans are the ones paying the players wages of course their opinion matters. Maybe not at Juve but at Madrid the fans' opinion is very important especially if you want to be remembered after you retire. Why do you think Perez goes and breaks the transfer record just after he sells crowd favourites

The coach doesn't have a choice if a president has his favourites. Benzema would've been sold many many seasons ago if the coach had his ways

Fans decide a player's legacy, no one else.

I get the feeling Surag is mixing things here, we are talking about legacy here, what Benzema has done in his Real Madrid career is not enough to be remembered as a legend, I don't think he even gets close to that level... the only ones who do are Cristiano and Ramos.

Doubt he cares tbh, it's the same as when Neymar signed for Barcelona.

It's all bollocks tbh, i'd like to see him go to England mainly because i don't think he get's the right amount of respect and like it or not if you do well in PL you're level of respect sky rockets.

But that doesn't mean he has to or should do. Or that he has a lack of ambition if he doesn't.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Doubt he cares tbh, it's the same as when Neymar signed for Barcelona.

It's all bollocks tbh, i'd like to see him go to England mainly because i don't think he get's the right amount of respect and like it or not if you do well in PL you're level of respect sky rockets.

But that doesn't mean he has to or should do. Or that he has a lack of ambition if he doesn't.

..hmm...fancy words for 'overrating'

Not really, it's just a fact if the english media likes you then you get more respect lol.

Look at Silva, his respect among the general football community sky rocketed overnight

Although it can have a negative effect if you don't perform, all part and parcel of the most hyped league in the world

adit benzema doesn't the talent to win BDO smfh, stop talking about benzema.

urban benzema steps up the most on RM in high pressure games, no one steps up for him, stop reading too much into nick,adit and hala post they clearly hate him.

I have said this a million times take out benzema put in random cf, the opinions on him would have been completely different, as i said a lot of the fans and spanish media are salty that benzema overcame the hate, still going strong.

and benzema WC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CR WC, funny how he gets no props for not sucking, just to focus on the time he sucked .

urbaNRoots wrote:Fans decide a player's legacy, no one else.

I get the feeling Surag is mixing things here, we are talking about legacy here, what Benzema has done in his Real Madrid career is not enough to be remembered as a legend, I don't think he even gets close to that level... the only ones who do are Cristiano and Ramos.

fans don't decide shit, where do you guys get this stuff from? ramos is a pos if he wasn't spanish, the fans would rip him and he would have been sold ages ago.

cr cries if he get criticized not because he is balling every week , if he wasn't such a baby the fans would boo him too a lot more often, i wont personally won't care when cr retires other than goals he does bleep all and is a self centered ass hat.

They do though, Ramos is loved in Madrid and worldwide by Real Madrid fans. Only internet wankers like us make comments about his positioning and whatever, which makes us the minority and irrelevant in the great scheme of things.

Benzema isn't loved so much. Should he decide to retire now, Real Madrid fans would forget about the moment another top class striker comes in but most WILL miss Ramos/Ronaldo should they do the same.

So the opinion of the majority of fans does matter in deciding a player's legacy at their favourite club, Benzema doesn't have one apart from being a great squad player but he could create one at another club while he's still in his prime physically.

that what im saying fans are just fans, and its clear that madrid fans are super sheepish even more than normal ones, majority of them can't tell a good game from a bad one, look at any post about isco first 3 months under carlo as AM, completely awful, but all of them already bought into the hype and would never admit isco was bad, its the opposite with benzema.

i can post plenty of video where benzema is stepping up big time in key moments for the club, the fans failing to acknowledging it, just proves how ignorant and sheepish they are fans.

these same fans watched higs score 5 in 50 cl games and never saw anything wrong with it, yet hate a soon to be top 10 cl striker(the competition for the elite that they care the most about)in benz cause their sheep, and can't be relied upon for a solid opinion.

So who decides a player's legacy then? who is the high authority on that?

it's amazingly condescending how you look at others opinions, because you think you have it all figured out.

have you ever considered that you might actually be wrong?

You're assuming a whole lot of stuff without any empirical evidence there Chad especially the whole sheepish comment. Madrid fans, particularly the Bernabeu faithful is incredibly impatient but they know their football and know what they want too.

Anyway, disagree with Urbie a bit. Benzema would be remembered if he were to retire now but Ronaldo and Ramos would be more fondly remembered. Nothing wrong with that honestly. I remember Raul a lot more fondly than I do Sanchis but his legacy is just as trophy laden as the former.

@nick your opinion is daft and i know im not wrong, i have been following madrid before benzema even came to the club, i know how the hatred started and why it will never stop, so you can't convince me with smug attitude.

@doc the bernabeu fans are the worst, i have seen them cheer shit performances regularly, and get brained washed by as/marca easily, their just has agenda driven as good old nick or adit.

I have read plenty of madrid fans opinions all over the internet not just here , tbh this is the most knowledgeable place i know ffs, and those other opinions aren't worth reading, just repeating the same words line for line, as i said nothing is wrong with what benzema is doing in his role, the problem is the name benzema in a madrid shirt, even after the 10th you guys wanted him out for freaking falcao ffs, he never achieved anything just hyped, that why majority are sheep.