I forgot Fontaine lol. Of course he's rated. Benz is top 6-7. Fontaine, kopa and Henry are far ahead as top 3. I'd put trezeguet 4th. Papin 5th. After that, it's between rocheteau and Benz.

@doc I defend cr when i have to, cause he has done a lot for the club and is indeed our best player, but if we want to play the selective memory game, cr has enough bad games as good ones, take away the goals, they're a lot of holes in his game, that skipped over for stats.

nick arguments as usual are trash, anyone can make a player sound like a scrub, if you left out all the good parts, and keep acting like everyday is mou first months at the club .

lastly i never understood benz being protected arguments, flo always sat back and watch benzema earned his place, no matter how tough it got, never complained and never showed aggression towards the fans, instead of props for over coming all that, nope he is being protected cause he doesn't have hunger!!!, dumbest shit ever.

my arguments are only trash when they involve me belittling Benzema.

I asked you one question you still have yet to respond. where does Benzema stand in france hierarchy of CF?

This is not about Madrid here, this is just about appreciating how great some players are. Everyone has bad games, Pele, Maradona, Zidane, Cruyff etc... everyone has bad games. What we want to measure his greatness, sustained greatness and how high that greatness is on an universal ladder.

Just as this is not about who was playing "nice". You always want to bring back all arguments to this. Respectfully, fck playing nice. If you can score goals in footy, you dont matter. Scoring goals is the difference between winning and losing, it's the essence of this sports. And here we have the most prolific, most complete scorer of recent times, and you wanna belittle him because he is not playing "nice" or missing passes? We can all criticize CR but i did not know that would make some people lose all objectivity whatsoever.

I will say it again, you are complete bonkers if you are legit trying to compare what CR is as a player compared to Benzema right now, just coco crazy.

please answer the question instead of repeating the same arguments.

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no one is denying benzema rough patch with france, what about his performances in the WC? oh wait that shit for you too, but since im not a hater he was pretty good and was the best player for his team, could've had 6 goals got 3 went out like champ, u mad?  wanna tell me about cr and messi WC performances being better too? didn't he show up big time in france qualifiers too? oh wait doesn't count.

if benzema has a great euros, he doesn't even have to win the thing, just play at a similar level or higher, what you gonna say then? what you ain't saying now remember the time he wasn't scoring... that never gonna get old for you?

again any clown can make a player look bad by just focusing on the negative, you ain't helping a trash arguments brah.

let's put all this in perspective. first of all, someone posted something about lebron and super teams. i always wondered how after all that talk of "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5 etc..." he cowered and just left, but that's another discussion.

Now this thing about players being cowards because they like their comfort zone is a bit overblown. everybody wants comfort, someone mentioned totti...i also respect totti for sticking it with roma, but you do realize some of the bullshit totti was doing in roma won't have flown at other clubs, and more would have been expected of him, so him deciding to stay could also be because he didn't want that challenge.

i'm not saying totti's some coward, but fans like to flip things to suit their arguments or their love or hatred for a player. the same fan who will criticize ashley cole for being a money grubber and leaving his hometown club for $, will criticize messi for not wanting to leave. the same fan who will applaud totti for staying at roma, even when there have been a lot of times when totti has been crap (i still consider him the second most talented offensive player in italy's history, behind baggio, just my opinion), will criticize iker, raul, etc for wanting to play out their careers at madrid

as far as benzema's concerned, he wants the place that will be most comfortable for him, like any player or human being does. switching clubs isn't the same as moving from dallas to california to switch careers. its a new language, culture, weather, teammates, etc. now if he does want the balon d'or as much as he says he does, he doesn't need to move, he will just need to usurp the likes of cristiano, suarez, messi, neymar and all those boys....even if he goes to arsenal, it doesn't equate to him becoming the wpoty, i mean, sanchez has been beasting and just won copa america, but nobody's saying sanchez is the best in the world

Surely you guys are trolling comparing Benzema's legacy with CR's? The latter will forever be immortalized for a vast multitude of reasons while with the way the former is going, he'll relegated to pub trivia status a few years after his retirement.

by the way, as far as having nothing to prove, everybody in our squad has something to prove, hell everybody on our squad has a lot to prove. let's be frank, so far, this era, the florentino part 2 era, hasn't been a success. you know why we talk about di stefano, quinta del buitre, and the earlier part of the raul era? because those teams won. if this era where to end now, regardless of all the goals cristiano has scored, all of benzema's champions league goals, james' beautiful goals, marcelo's dribbles, i will not remember this era as a success or some legendary period. 1 champions league, a league and two copa del rey (which i only care about cos it was barcelona we played in the final) is not something to be proud of as a madridista. they all have a lot to prove, being legends of a period where we have played second fiddle for the most part isn't going to cut it...if di stefano puskas gento et al had only 1 league, 1 ucl, and 2 copa del rey i doubt they'd be enamored

Real Madrid have won one Champions League trophy in the last 12 years, and one La Liga in the last 7; and have spent 1 billion in that time span.

Lol at people saying he is staying cause he has a chance to win trophies every year. Has achieved just about as much as the mighty Douglas

your post would be relevant if you had a point, and why do you just look at the past 12 years? why not further? it doesnt make your argument look as good does it? just jug on when you have nothing to say

chad4401 wrote:no one is denying benzema rough patch with france, what about his performances in the WC? oh wait that shit for you too, but since im not a hater he was pretty good and was the best player for his team, could've had 6 goals got 3 went out like champ, u mad?  wanna tell me about cr and messi WC performances being better too? didn't he show up big time in france qualifiers too? oh wait doesn't count.

if benzema has a great euros, he doesn't even have to win the thing, just play at a similar level or higher, what you gonna say then? what you ain't saying now remember the time he wasn't scoring... that never gonna get old for you?

again any clown can make a player look bad by just focusing on the negative, you ain't helping a trash arguments brah.

my question isnt even about his performances with his national team, but then again comprehension is another thing that eludes you. Every one above except you got that.

we are arguing the macro, not the micro elements of these guys career.

and benzema wasnt great during the world cup overall, stop deluding yourself. He played two great games vs switzerland and that first SA team, then flopped vs ecuador, nigeria and germany. If he does the same in the euros they will destroy him in France lol.

smh why did he flopped because he didn't score? , this is why it so easy to flip your arguments, have seen all of you praise non scoring performance, based on rubbish like desire/hunger even the awful ones, and benz was the best player fact, 80 mill pogba did bleep all neither did greaseman, benz was constant danger for them gtfo, you can't deny that.

cr/messi WC campaigns have been way worse you skipping over that cause of club, but benzema debut was a flop to the all knowing nick .

your arguments are garbage, if cr doesn't score he might as well not even be on the pitch ffs, we all watch the same games here, take away the goals per game cr does bleep all.

most complete goal scorer ever begging for pens, since it the only way he can have an impact against a decent defense, when he the last time cr dominated barca?

Chad, are you saying that Benzema is as great a player as Cristiano Ronaldo?

It's all Bale's fault BBC failed because of Bale BBC will be remembered as C & friends

Mr Nick09 wrote:Chad, are you saying that Benzema is as great a player as Cristiano Ronaldo?

Congratulations on 20k posts, by the way. That's massive!

no im saying anybody can flip an argument to fit their needs, and a lot of thing i have posted has a lot of layers of truth to it.

the funny thing is benzema is the only player, that has to live up to these imaginary standards, doesn't matter if he is second or third option, when the player you have wet dreams about, ain't even achieving anything, as the main man smh.

Gil wrote:Surely you guys are trolling comparing Benzema's legacy with CR's? The latter will forever be immortalized for a vast multitude of reasons while with the way the former is going, he'll relegated to pub trivia status a few years after his retirement.

Guess Suarez and Neymar should leave Barca as well with your logic?

chad4401 wrote:no im saying anybody can flip an argument to fit their needs, and a lot of thing i have posted has a lot of layers of truth to it.

the funny thing is benzema is the only player, that has to live up to these imaginary standards, doesn't matter if he is second or third option, when the player you have wet dreams about, ain't even achieving anything, as the main man smh.

sure

At least you agree that CR and BEnzema are not in the same class of player.

You guys have no idea about the history of rough patches for France NT. In the early 90s when we missed a couple of WCs with Cantona/Ginola and Papin before them... That's a rough patch. Making the tournaments and getting to quarters is not a rough patch. Henry? Without zidane, France was sucking hard. In fact, the two tournaments where he was the supposed leader (euro 2008 and wc 2010)... He was disastrous.

Team performance defines players... Somehow, that's being lost today strangely. You can score 100 goals and the team flunks in part because of your selfishness, yet it doesn't define you? Come.on.

oh btw this is another glorified version of ''Barca/Madrid have all the stars ,give some to PL'' thread.

Benzema not being in cr class is a sin now? That rich .

He is not some sidekick ball passer, he has been second leading scorer and top 3 or 4 in assists, A lot of time working with nothing and getting the job done, for 5 seasons and gets a circus by the press and sheepish fans every summer with new angles.

How you never tired of this every transfer window, commendable .

It's not a sin at all, it's a fact, which you seem to be disputing, but you came to your senses so it's all good. I'm not interested in arguing about sidekicks.

windkick wrote:Real Madrid have won one Champions League trophy in the last 12 years, and one La Liga in the last 7; and have spent 1 billion in that time span.

Lol at people saying he is staying cause he has a chance to win trophies every year. Has achieved just about as much as the mighty Douglas

Which, ironically enough, is a whole lot more than he would have achieved at Arsenal unless one thinks being "appreciated" by Gil and McAgger are trophy worthy achievements. Hence why some posters would say he has a better chance at trophies at Madrid than at Arsenal these days.

As for the Douglas comment, probably should leave that for the Barca section where his relevancy has a place.

So every player other than the superstar aren't worth talking about or discussing? So I guess neymar and Suarez are yesterday's news lol

ofc they are, that's why there is such thing called freedom of expression, people are free to discuss what they want.

i posted in this thread initially just to say that i agree with the OP, that's all. Benzema playing with Arsenal and trying to lead them to titles? it would be something else

Yeah well I agree to a certain extent too... Benz isn't challenging himself so his talent isn't maximized. He's content with his current lot. A shame because he could have been more perhaps. But you also can't blame him... The grass isn't always greener on the other side and his current status is pretty darn high. He's not a risk taker when he has a lot to lose.