Ozymandias_8 wrote:

Fußball wrote:DAT posting style reminds me of a certain Don who now plays for Sevilla.

Pls update yourself. Moved back to Celta now .

Holy chit, how did I miss that?

sportsczy wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:That's fair enough and i won't argue what they said in italy because i know damn well if we had a talent like that in England he'd be called the best in the world before his debut

 I'm not denying that Varane is overhyped because he's at Madrid.  But he deserves hype... just not that level of hype.  Of course, he'd be starting at every other club in the world other than Madrid imo.

I think this is was the general fans think, or atleast I do.
he is a great talent and has a great future, i would love him at barca considering we have an aging lineup
but at the moment he hasn't done anything to be compared to legends
next season will probably be the start of him being a starter then maybe we can start really judging him (even then it's still very early in his career)

I have to say people say EPL players overrated, But Madrid and Barca players are severely more overrated.

If Pique was playing for Valencia, he would never get anywhere close the recognition he gets. LOL at being the best defender in the world.

Talk about how much perception changes due to team success.

who said pique was the best defender?
but anyways who would you claim to be is the best centerback?
anyone you say could get nitpicked and made fun of here in goallegacy.

Blue wrote:I have to say people say EPL players overrated, But Madrid and Barca players are severely more overrated.

If Pique was playing for Valencia, he would never get anywhere close the recognition he gets. LOL at being the best defender in the world.

Talk about how much perception changes due to team success.

People were saying Pique was back to his best while we were still 2nd in the league... and you would figure that in order to win a treble you can't be that bad a CB, especially if your partner is Mascherano.

Donuts wrote:who said pique was the best defender?
but anyways who would you claim to be is the best centerback?
anyone you say could get nitpicked and made fun of here in goallegacy.

Smalling was the best cb in Europe last season (:

Donuts wrote:who said pique was the best defender?
but anyways who would you claim to be is the best centerback?
anyone you say could get nitpicked and made fun of here in goallegacy.

Well Ozymandias_8 claimed that.

I agree with you honestly. But i do think Godin and Otamendi are the best i have seen this season.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Blue wrote:I have to say people say EPL players overrated, But Madrid and Barca players are severely more overrated.

If Pique was playing for Valencia, he would never get anywhere close the recognition he gets. LOL at being the best defender in the world.

Talk about how much perception changes due to team success.

People were saying Pique was back to his best while we were still 2nd in the league... and you would figure that in order to win a treble you can't be that bad a CB, especially if your partner is Mascherano.

Not saying Pique was bad, he had a good season tbh. But far from being the best. So did Mascherano too. In a season like Barca had, a lot of players played their role. But lets be honest from top to bottom Barca are not the best team. Barca biggest strength MSN masks a lot of that

I obviously don't think it is only exclusive to Barca. For example i think Ivanovid is quite overrated by non Chelsea fans.

Why even comment on a team you are clearly not watching regularly? Mascherano was exposed countless times in the big games as usual. Sliding on his ass against Agüero, only rescued by Pique. The scene I'm talking about is here @ 3:08:



#REKT by Lewandowski in Allianz. Bambi on ice against Juve. Bad passing out of the back which led to Torres' goal in the Calderon in the Copa (did the same against Juve but luckily one of Tevez or Vidal skied the shot). Mascherano has his moments but he's easily recognizable as the weaker part of the central defense. Especially aerially he is COMPLETELY lost. Watch any Clasico where he is specifically targeted in that manner or the return leg against Bayern.

You can spare us with the lazy "MSN" narrative. If a great frontline alone would yield the results that Barcelona has achieved the past season, Argentina would walk everything yet they barely manage to win against scrub international teams like Jamaica and Paraguay even though they have Messi, Agüero, Di Maria and Pastore in their offensive line. This isn't Liverpool 13/14 with 101 goals scored but 50 conceded.

If not for Pique we would be nowhere near the treble. What he was doing in the business part of the season was unreal, but people will say it's all MSN because the only games they watched are against Bayern and Juve

it's a classic excuse / explanation for people who refuse to give a player his proper dues .

it's like Mole's  " the only reason Evra looked good this season is because he was protected by the midfield " .

linetty what you're forgetting you were one loss to Valencia from losing the league to us and I don't need to remijd you how pique played then

pique is like ramos, good defender with excellent games now and again but severely overrated

its telling that we are talking about the best defender in europe and comparing ramos and pique who were nowhere near it. Pepe is for me the best CB in the world. Otamendi is great too but I'd like to see him for another season before I judge

may i remind you that pepe against real sociedad in the 4-2 match was horrible
had he played better you guys would of won the league.

easy to pick on centerbacks huh. all it takes is one bad game

there is no such thing as a perfect defender who concedes zero goals and has no flaws.

pique this second half was our defense, he carried it.. we've conceded less goals from headers than most teams, mind you our starting backline are all midgets + pique.

halamadrid2 wrote:linetty what you're forgetting you were one loss to Valencia from losing the league to us and I don't need to remijd you how pique played then

pique is like ramos, good defender with excellent games now and again but severely overrated

its telling that we are talking about the best defender in europe and comparing ramos and pique who were nowhere near it. Pepe is for me the best CB in the world. Otamendi is great too but I'd like to see him for another season before I judge

Oh come on. Every player has bad days but according to this forum all CBs are overrated

Besides an usual off game (applies to every single player) and a blunder against Sevilla he was clearing basically everything and took the leader role on his shoulders. We would have won shit without him. I'd say he was our most consistent player in the business part of the season with Messi and Neymar, and Bravo of course, who was sublime the entire season. I'm honest now, some of Pique's performances left me with my mouth open and I've never experienced it with a centre back.

a forward can do nothing for 90 minutes score in the 91st and get awarded man of the match
but a defender can play god like for 90 minutes and 1 minute has a blunder all of a sudden worst player ever.

Donuts wrote:a forward can do nothing for 90 minutes score in the 91st and get awarded man of the match
but a defender can play god like for 90 minutes and 1 minute has a blunder all of a sudden worst player ever.

Ramos is a forward in that case

ramos leaving madrid would not be about us questioning his quality as a player, he is great, in the top actually. It's about nipping player power in the bud, killing it before a new cycle begins. that i approve, come on flo

According to Darren Lewis and David McDonnell of the Mirror, Ramos is nearing a £30 million move to Manchester United, with Real eyeing a £21 million bid for Koscielny if that deal goes through.

probably false but lol

How good is Ramos as a Right Back ??

Daily Mail say Man U have bid €50m for him.

S wrote:Daily Mail say Man U have bid €50m for him.

35 mil pounds. That SHOULD be our last bid. Real reject it, asap move on to otamendi and keep ddg for one more year.

AS English @English_AS
United to offer Sergio Ramos €55 million over five years.

€11m net salary I think this would make him the joint highest paid player in the PL then(?).

€11m net = £300K per week roughly.

S wrote:AS English @English_AS
United to offer Sergio Ramos €55 million over five years.

€11m net salary I think this would make him the joint highest paid player in the PL then(?).

€11m net = £300K per week roughly.

Its the falcao salary which we retrieved when we let go falcao. No worries hence. Better than paying a crocked falcao any day this kind of money. And ramos (touch wood) rarely gets injured. So..

Glory wrote:

S wrote:Daily Mail say Man U have bid €50m for him.

35 mil pounds. That SHOULD be our last bid. Real reject it, asap move on to otamendi and keep ddg for one more year.

You still think you can keep De Gea? He's coming back home mate

35 mil pounds plus de gea and there will be a deal

linetty wrote:

Glory wrote:

S wrote:Daily Mail say Man U have bid €50m for him.

35 mil pounds. That SHOULD be our last bid. Real reject it, asap move on to otamendi and keep ddg for one more year.

You still think you can keep De Gea? He's coming back home mate

Not sure if Atlético can afford him to be honest.