Re: when i said Alexis was better than Ozil and Hazard...

by Sri Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:19 pm

Gil wrote:Cesc has let me down. Like Sanchez he hasn't really performed against the big teams so far.

I'll just leave this here for you.

Sanchez vs the Top 8: 7 games, 1 goal, 2 assists

Hazard vs the Top 8: 8 games, 4 goals, 5 assists

The entire makeup of this thread would be completely different in the latter were padding his stats against fodder. Again, football fans are too obsessed with numbers, it shows a lack of understanding of the game.

Well, you brought up the numbers, not me.

Does that show your obsession with numbers and a lack of understanding of the game, then?

(Refer what you left for me in the quoted post. I guess those are the numbers then hmm

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by Sri Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:22 pm

Also Moal

I was typing something very much on those lines, before I decided that it was pointless. Considering the fact that I was replying to Gil, I deleted what I typed and just broke it down to one remark. Laughing

by Doc Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:37 pm

"Again, football fans are too obsessed with numbers, it shows a lack of understanding of the game."

Has someone finally appreciated Iniesta now?!

by chad4401 Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:49 pm

look at gil sig and you can see his understanding of the game, dribbling into no where=best players

by Valkyrja Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:15 pm

chad4401 wrote:look at gil sig and you can see his understanding of the game, dribbling into no where=best players

if anyone has been dribbling into nowhere this season that's Di Maria. Hazard has been fantastic and the best player in PL and top 5 world-wide in 2014-15.

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:23 pm

Hazard has been better than Alexis and Agüero? That's very debatable.

by Katy Perry Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:23 pm

Valkyrja wrote:
chad4401 wrote:look at gil sig and you can see his understanding of the game, dribbling into no where=best players

if anyone has been dribbling into nowhere this season that's Di Maria. Hazard has been fantastic and the best player in PL and top 5 world-wide in 2014-15.

I wouldn't even say Hazard has been the best player in our team so far, if we're counting this first 6 months, Alexis has been better.

What happened to Arsenal by the way? Last season they were top of the league for months and now they are "midtable without Sanchez"

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:29 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Hazard has been better than Alexis and Agüero? That's very debatable.

It's not even debatable, he's been worse than both as individuals it's pure fact.

Anyway it makes me laugh how people can't wait to jump on Di Maria.

If was unplayable in the only position he's proven he can be consistent at, then he was moved in the position where Madrid fans wanted him sold due to his inconsistency there.

He has one game back after being out for 2 months and is deployed as a striker no less and you are jumping on his back all over again Laughing

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:29 pm

Walcott, Ramsey, Giroud were injured for a long period of time.

by Sri Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:34 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Walcott, Ramsey, Giroud were injured for a long period of time.

Also Özil.

To answer Katy Perry: Experiments with a 4-1-4-1 system at the beginning of the season with barely any preseason to test it, players returning late from WC, injuries at the back - including our starting CB and RB for almost all of the first part of the season, and also a lot of injuries to the midfield - including Wilshere, Ramsey, Arteta, Flamini, etc.

Some bad luck and some poor planning, a touch of tactical mess and a pinch of inconsistency. Voila.

by chad4401 Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:21 pm

Valkyrja wrote:
chad4401 wrote:look at gil sig and you can see his understanding of the game, dribbling into no where=best players

if anyone has been dribbling into nowhere this season that's Di Maria. Hazard has been fantastic and the best player in PL and top 5 world-wide in 2014-15.

val save me the hipster bs, please you think bale was more important than di maria, as i said look at that sig, hazard could've cross the ball did more useless dribbles, gives defenders more time setup and defend the cross, its the same reason why isco had to be benched, more to footy than dribbling and scoring hope you all learn this but you all won't

by Donuts Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:20 pm

Valkyrja wrote:
chad4401 wrote:look at gil sig and you can see his understanding of the game, dribbling into no where=best players

if anyone has been dribbling into nowhere this season that's Di Maria. Hazard has been fantastic and the best player in PL and top 5 world-wide in 2014-15.

but the real question is, does he surpass marcelo as a top 5 winger... hmm

by Valkyrja Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:39 pm

Donuts wrote:
Valkyrja wrote:
chad4401 wrote:look at gil sig and you can see his understanding of the game, dribbling into no where=best players

if anyone has been dribbling into nowhere this season that's Di Maria. Hazard has been fantastic and the best player in PL and top 5 world-wide in 2014-15.

but the real question is, does he surpass marcelo as a top 5 winger...

IF Marcelo was a winger he would be a top 5 winger.

by Donuts Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:43 pm

okay.

by Hapless_Hans Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:43 pm

Valkyrja wrote:
Donuts wrote:
Valkyrja wrote:

if anyone has been dribbling into nowhere this season that's Di Maria. Hazard has been fantastic and the best player in PL and top 5 world-wide in 2014-15.

but the real question is, does he surpass marcelo as a top 5 winger...

IF Marcelo was a winger he would be a top 5 winger.

then I guess you have to ask why he doesn't play winger, as he sure as hell is not a top 5 left back hmm

by M99 Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:45 pm

Valkyrja wrote:
Donuts wrote:
Valkyrja wrote:

if anyone has been dribbling into nowhere this season that's Di Maria. Hazard has been fantastic and the best player in PL and top 5 world-wide in 2014-15.

but the real question is, does he surpass marcelo as a top 5 winger...

IF Marcelo was a winger he would be a top 5 winger.

Pls

by RealGunner Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:47 pm

Relax, no one apart from 20% of chelsea fans think Hazard is better than Sanchez. Most sane chelsea fans like Shed, Tomwin etc will say how disappointing hazard is at times when the team really wants him to step up.

Aguero and Sanchez are a cut above the rest in the league atm.

by CBarca Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:56 pm

CBarca wrote:Alexis is going to destroy the EPL. Best player, easy.

Natalie Portman wrote: Same way Ozil was ?

man, remember that thread Mole made when Ozil signed saying he's comfortably PL's best player

Gil wrote:

Heard the same crap with Aguero and Ozil.

Robespierre wrote:
CBarca wrote:Alexis is going to destroy the EPL. Best player, easy.

No.

Gil wrote:Aguero hasn't had a single season where he's been the best striker let alone player in the Premier League.

Still dying at the Sanchez mention

by Bankz Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:44 pm

Gahd!!! A league where guys like hazard and sanchez become its best players these days. Can only wonder if the PL has any hope at this point.

by El Gunner Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:09 am

La liga viewers have a slightly obscure opinion on Alexis.
Except CB, he knows his shit.

by Lex Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:12 pm

Bankz wrote:Gahd!!! A league where guys like hazard and sanchez become its best players these days. Can only wonder if the PL has any hope at this point.

Messi'll save it when he comes here next season

by S Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:54 pm

Lex wrote:
Bankz wrote:Gahd!!! A league where guys like hazard and sanchez become its best players these days. Can only wonder if the PL has any hope at this point.
Messi'll save it when he comes here next season

And i'm sure you'll be enthralled to see him playing for Chelsea.

by Lex Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:01 pm

You mean Arsenal hmm

by Glory Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:57 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Gil wrote:Again, football fans are too obsessed with numbers, it shows a lack of understanding of the game.

Yet you just used numbers to prove your point.

Anyway it's not exactly surprising Sanchez numbers have dropped against bigger opposition. The bloke has been carrying Arsenal all season and the big teams know it so they plan for it and just try to stop him.

Which has obviously proved successful so far, Chelsea on the other hand are a vastly better team with more consistent threats so the teams have to plan for it leading to more opportunities for Hazard.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Hazard looks better with the opposition having to focus on Fabregas, improved play of Oscar and Costa compared to last seasons Ramires, Mikel etc etc.

You may be disappointed with Fabregas but his mere presence on the pitch leads to more space for those around him including Hazard. That's what I meant when I said before Hazard doesn't even have to play well to be praised, because there's multiple threats on the pitch leading to victories regardless unlike last year when if he was average it was clear as *bleep* day.

This is not the case with Sanchez as if he doesn't do it no one will, which shouldn't really be the case but due to injuries, poor selection choices and tactics by Wenger it sadly is.

In a lot of ways Sanchez is last years Hazard with better end product for all the reasons I just explained, it shouldn't be like that but sadly it is.

To finish though, i don't actually understand the comparison between the two as far as who is better. One is a midfielder and one is a forward so it's natural the stats are in Sanchez's favour.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Anyway it makes me laugh how people can't wait to jump on Di Maria.

If was unplayable in the only position he's proven he can be consistent at, then he was moved in the position where Madrid fans wanted him sold due to his inconsistency there.

He has one game back after being out for 2 months and is deployed as a striker no less and you are jumping on his back all over again

when i said Alexis was better than Ozil and Hazard... - Page 4 8f5ecf492a62664b8de1fa526e9faf7d3c36643a46617e3e86963b068a772adc

man. seriously.

First one is like one of the best posts I have seen here. and second, well thanks a lot man for standing up for him when every man and his nanny are after him, itching to find faults.

Keep rocking Mole Thumbs up

by B-Mac Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:11 pm

all my emotions in this thread

:facepalm:

ffs GL

by Sri Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:25 pm

Lumiere_Blanche wrote:

I am deeply disturbed by the possible contents of the glass.

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