Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

by Winter is Coming Mon 14 Jul 2014, 04:17

Golden Ball and other WC Awards - Page 9 VfcnNGI

Good sportsmanship Proud

by Harmonica Mon 14 Jul 2014, 04:30

FalcaoPunch wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
FalcaoPunch wrote:

Do I really have to explain it?
As a Colombian which happens to be where James is from incase you didn't know.

It would be a great honor for a Colombian player and Colombian football all together for our player to get recognized as the best of the tournament. No sure what's confusing about it.

Now it wasn't him and it's cool he's top goal scorer. Messi wasn't even best for Argentina and still won it? People all over the world are left like this at this decision
It isn't honorary award either. Your arguments are not really working.

You're pulling my leg

I'm actually pulling arguments, without getting any.

by Harmonica Mon 14 Jul 2014, 04:33

Messi was the most rational choice for Golden Ball. And he has one now, one like Maradona and Pele have, and the hairdresser will never have.

by Donuts Mon 14 Jul 2014, 04:51

Glad Fifa didn't jump in the james hype train unlike half of GL Laughing

by BarrileteCosmico Mon 14 Jul 2014, 04:59

LeSwagg James wrote:Messi carried his team to the Final, I don't have a problem with him winning it...

I would of given it to James though, he was the stand out player of this tournament

Neuer deserves it far more than James, who did jack vs the worst Brazil ever. How come people are critisizing Messi for disappearing after quarters but are completely ignoring the fact that James did basically the same thing? There is no guarantee he would have shined in the later stages of the game against better teams like Germany or Argentina.

by Donuts Mon 14 Jul 2014, 05:11

Some people forget that Messi's job is not to score goals, and yet he was in 80%+ of all argentinas goals, his primary job was to set up goals, and he did.. many highlights against Netherlands show that, how many dumb chances did they blow from an amazing pass from messi.

funny and very odd that Argentina before this world cup was getting called the team with the best offensive, and worst defensive team

and throughout the tournament the exact opposite happened, aguero did absolutely nothing, Higgy scored 1 goal throughout the whole tournament flopped the final, Palacio's highlight was his ponytail, Lavezzi and Di Maria are the only ones who slightly played normally but yet below average but still almost nothing.

by FennecFox7 Mon 14 Jul 2014, 05:34

yeah, and how many dispossessions did messi have that also killed attacks, as well as put his team under unnessesary pressure? it looked like he ate 10 burgers and stepped out on the field 10 pounds overweight

all of argentinas attackers were crap, but you have to expect more from messi

by DuringTheWar Mon 14 Jul 2014, 05:59

PhilSchoen wrote: For those asking which Argentinian performances I'd rate above Messi: Mascherano, Romero and arguably Rojo, Demichelis and DiMaria

That's Ray Hudson's commentator partner isn't it? Tense working relationship there then Laughing

by elitedam Mon 14 Jul 2014, 06:07

James created and scored the penalty against us.

Seriously, I think any of James, Neuer, or Mascherano would have been deserved winners. Messi had a good tournament but he was not the best.

by Harmonica Mon 14 Jul 2014, 06:24

DuringTheWar wrote:
PhilSchoen wrote: For those asking which Argentinian performances I'd rate above Messi: Mascherano, Romero and arguably Rojo, Demichelis and DiMaria

That's Ray Hudson's commentator partner isn't it? Tense working relationship there then

He's a Real Madrid and Hairdresser fan, you didn't know that?

by Footyfan Mon 14 Jul 2014, 07:29

Harmonica wrote:James - Lost to Lolzil in QF. No.
Robben - The self confessed diver lost to Messi in QF. The fact that he was praised for terrorizing defences with his running and taking of defenders. Well quess what, Messi 46 dribbles to Robben's 34, Messi 23 chances created to Robben's 17, with Robben having millionbillion times more space and time. No.
Any German - They were the Spain of 2010 - No.

Who then?

Does not matter. Messi stats should be divided by 4 to give a proper idea as he does run and the whole team is his slave. When a team plays for 1 player it automatically boosts his stat. Robben played RW for many matches while Messi #10.

The most damning stat is that Messi never ran or tried. He only scored goals against Iran, Nigeria and Bosnia. He had an above average game against the Swiss, was invisible against the Belgians and flopped against Netherlands and Germany. If he was half as good as Maradona, then Argentina would be World Champions.

Robben was his team's best player in all matches apart from the Argentina match where he was completely drained out after playing 120 minutes against Costa Rica.

A player who either has either has an above average to flop game in every single crucial KO match does not deserve the B D'or

Here's another damning stat, Robben won 2 PK's for his team and was unfairly denied atleast 2 others which would have been a World Recod. He carried the worst Dutch team in history to 3rd place.

Harmonica wrote:
Freeza wrote:How is messi derserving of it, Jiopsi? He hasn't made the difference since Switzerland... He scored against scrubs and didn't deliver. Mascherano was better for Argentina when it mattered. Neuer, Robben, James and Müller were all better.
Most chances created, most dribbless, most marked (at least twice), most concentrated, most pressured, most clutch goals, carried the team most, most MoM performances... Need I go on? When it mattered? Every game mattered.

You did not understand the question. He flopped in this World Cup. How is he better than Robben who carried the worst Dutch team to 3rd place, James who took Colombia to Quarters against a poo ref and Neymar who dragged this poor Brazil to 4th place or even Muller.

He has not even been in the Top 3, let alone Golden Ball

by rwo power Mon 14 Jul 2014, 08:16

Harmonica wrote:Most chances created, most dribbless, most marked (at least twice), most concentrated, most pressured, most clutch goals, carried the team most, most MoM performances... Need I go on? When it mattered? Every game mattered.

Well, these were only given because he was the least bad player in some really dire matches, not because he played particularly good in them.

by Harmonica Mon 14 Jul 2014, 08:27

Footyfan wrote:
Harmonica wrote:James - Lost to Lolzil in QF. No.
Robben - The self confessed diver lost to Messi in QF. The fact that he was praised for terrorizing defences with his running and taking of defenders. Well quess what, Messi 46 dribbles to Robben's 34, Messi 23 chances created to Robben's 17, with Robben having millionbillion times more space and time. No.
Any German - They were the Spain of 2010 - No.

Who then?

Does not matter. Messi stats should be divided by 4 to give a proper idea as he does run and the whole team is his slave. When a team plays for 1 player it automatically boosts his stat. Robben played RW for many matches while Messi #10.

Messi does more in the field than any other player.

The most damning stat is that Messi never ran or tried. He only scored goals against Iran, Nigeria and Bosnia. He had an above average game against the Swiss, was invisible against the Belgians and flopped against Netherlands and Germany. If he was half as good as Maradona, then Argentina would be World Champions.

I'm sorry Messi never ran or tried? He got past 46 players, when the next best one got past 34? He created 23 chances when the next best one created 17? Logic where aret thou? Scored a wonder goal from half the field against 8 opponents behind the ball against Bosnia, a wonder goal against 11 opponents below the ball against Iran, a wonder goal against Nigeria from a freekick. Which without Argentina wouldn't have advanced from group stage. Logic where aret thou? Created the winner against Swiss, and funnily enough the goal against Belgium started by Messi pressuring the ball off and providing it to Di Maria in attack. Logic where aret thou?

Robben was his team's best player in all matches apart from the Argentina match where he was completely drained out after playing 120 minutes against Costa Rica.

Robben flopped against Chile, literally flopped against Mexico, Costa Rica, Argentina, and Brazil.

A player who either has either has an above average to flop game in every single crucial KO match does not deserve the B D'or

Every game in the world cup were crucial, if Argentina lost 1 game in group they were against Germany sooner.

Here's another damning stat, Robben won 2 PK's for his team and was unfairly denied atleast 2 others which would have been a World Recod. He carried the worst Dutch team in history to 3rd place.

You mean dived Dutch, literally to 3rd place?

Harmonica wrote:
Freeza wrote:How is messi derserving of it, Jiopsi? He hasn't made the difference since Switzerland... He scored against scrubs and didn't deliver. Mascherano was better for Argentina when it mattered. Neuer, Robben, James and Müller were all better.
Most chances created, most dribbless, most marked (at least twice), most concentrated, most pressured, most clutch goals, carried the team most, most MoM performances... Need I go on? When it mattered? Every game mattered.

You did not understand the question. He flopped in this World Cup. How is he better than Robben who carried the worst Dutch team to 3rd place, James who took Colombia to Quarters against a poo ref and Neymar who dragged this poor Brazil to 4th place or even Muller.

He has not even been in the Top 3, let alone Golden Ball

Messi was the best player of the tournament, that's enough to win the Golden Ball. Robben didn't carry anything, he spearheaded a great team performance. James lost to worst Brazil ever. Neymar carried Brazil? lmao Muller is a tapin merchant.

by Harmonica Mon 14 Jul 2014, 08:31

rwo power wrote:
Harmonica wrote:Most chances created, most dribbless, most marked (at least twice), most concentrated, most pressured, most clutch goals, carried the team most, most MoM performances... Need I go on? When it mattered? Every game mattered.
Well, these were only given because he was the least bad player in some really dire matches, not because he played particularly good in them.

It's all relative. For example which one is better, scoring 2 in a rout having the whole team playing great, or scoring only goal in tight game when the whole team is playing bad?

by Footyfan Mon 14 Jul 2014, 09:18

Harmonica wrote:
Footyfan wrote:
Harmonica wrote:James - Lost to Lolzil in QF. No.
Robben - The self confessed diver lost to Messi in QF. The fact that he was praised for terrorizing defences with his running and taking of defenders. Well quess what, Messi 46 dribbles to Robben's 34, Messi 23 chances created to Robben's 17, with Robben having millionbillion times more space and time. No.
Any German - They were the Spain of 2010 - No.

Who then?

Does not matter. Messi stats should be divided by 4 to give a proper idea as he does run and the whole team is his slave. When a team plays for 1 player it automatically boosts his stat. Robben played RW for many matches while Messi #10.
Messi does more in the field than any other player.
BS
The most damning stat is that Messi never ran or tried. He only scored goals against Iran, Nigeria and Bosnia. He had an above average game against the Swiss, was invisible against the Belgians and flopped against Netherlands and Germany. If he was half as good as Maradona, then Argentina would be World Champions.
I'm sorry Messi never ran or tried? He got past 46 players, when the next best one got past 34? He created 23 chances when the next best one created 17? Logic where aret thou? Scored a wonder goal from half the field against 8 opponents behind the ball against Bosnia, a wonder goal against 11 opponents below the ball against Iran, a wonder goal against Nigeria from a freekick. Which without Argentina wouldn't have advanced from group stage. Logic where aret thou? Created the winner against Swiss, and funnily enough the goal against Belgium started by Messi pressuring the ball off and providing it to Di Maria in attack. Logic where aret thou?

Goals against Bosnia or Iran are irrelevant. It shows how much you know when you equate effort with dribbles. What is talked about is off the ball movement which he did not show, neither pressed and walked when needed.\

Barca fans are one of the most delusional fans and least knowledgeable to give Messi credit for the Higgy goal which was a volley which came to Higgy after deflection from Vertonghen

Robben was his team's best player in all matches apart from the Argentina match where he was completely drained out after playing 120 minutes against Costa Rica.
Robben flopped against Chile, literally flopped against Mexico, Costa Rica, Argentina, and Brazil.
Okay. No response is warranted to idiotic comments anyway. I can't argue with a guy who has less football knowledge than a troll who lives in a basement.

A player who either has either has an above average to flop game in every single crucial KO match does not deserve the B D'or
Every game in the world cup were crucial, if Argentina lost 1 game in group they were against Germany sooner.
Messi's contribution to main matches where 0
Here's another damning stat, Robben won 2 PK's for his team and was unfairly denied atleast 2 others which would have been a World Recod. He carried the worst Dutch team in history to 3rd place.
You mean dived Dutch, literally to 3rd place?
Idiotic comment by a troll who understands nothing
Harmonica wrote:
Freeza wrote:How is messi derserving of it, Jiopsi? He hasn't made the difference since Switzerland... He scored against scrubs and didn't deliver. Mascherano was better for Argentina when it mattered. Neuer, Robben, James and Müller were all better.
Most chances created, most dribbless, most marked (at least twice), most concentrated, most pressured, most clutch goals, carried the team most, most MoM performances... Need I go on? When it mattered? Every game mattered.
Idiotic Comment once again
You did not understand the question. He flopped in this World Cup. How is he better than Robben who carried the worst Dutch team to 3rd place, James who took Colombia to Quarters against a poo ref and Neymar who dragged this poor Brazil to 4th place or even Muller.

He has not even been in the Top 3, let alone Golden Ball
Messi was the best player of the tournament, that's enough to win the Golden Ball. Robben didn't carry anything, he spearheaded a great team performance. James lost to worst Brazil ever. Neymar carried Brazil? lmao Muller is a tapin merchant.

Another stupid comment

by Footyfan Mon 14 Jul 2014, 09:22

Harmonica wrote:
rwo power wrote:
Harmonica wrote:Most chances created, most dribbless, most marked (at least twice), most concentrated, most pressured, most clutch goals, carried the team most, most MoM performances... Need I go on? When it mattered? Every game mattered.
Well, these were only given because he was the least bad player in some really dire matches, not because he played particularly good in them.
It's all relative. For example which one is better, scoring 2 in a rout having the whole team playing great, or scoring only goal in tight game when the whole team is playing bad?

Yes Messi's flopping in all games bar the Group stages and him scoring against Iran shows how big a player he is.

Spain were World Champions and outright favourites who would/could have won the WC had their confidence not destroyed by the Dutch. The Dutch who expected to be humiliated and eliminated and were 0-1 down against one of the greatest footballing dynasty.

The 1st match of the WC, a WC Final re-match which Holland won 5-1 to make a spectacular comeback. Robben scored the crucial winning goal in the 2-1 and the meaningless 5-1 goal which humiliated the entire Spanish Defense and GK.

Anyways this is my last response to you - Since you know nothing about football, you talk BS and lie to twist fact.

I can't waste my time debating with you when you are making downright delusional comments. Goodbye Sir

by rwo power Mon 14 Jul 2014, 09:28

@Footyfan

While I might not agree with Harmonica's posts either, this doesn't give you the right to write such an aggressive and insulting reply as you did in the 9:18 post. -25%

by Footyfan Mon 14 Jul 2014, 09:56

Maradona -Messi? I would give him heaven if possible,

"But it's not right when someone wins something that he shouldn't have won just because of some marketing plan."

Haha,even Maradona saying messi winning is a marketing plan.

@ My Dear RWO - Can Warning Levels be increased for any good deeds?

by rwo power Mon 14 Jul 2014, 10:13

@Footyfan

They can be increased if users behave nicely over a certain timeframe. The exact amount is undisclosed, I'm afraid.

by Zizou Mon 14 Jul 2014, 10:25

Winter is Coming wrote:

Good sportsmanship

I think in terms of sportsmanship the german team was outstanding during this WC ...

by Hapless_Hans Mon 14 Jul 2014, 10:32

anyone thinks Messi WANTS this award? Or likes the fact he got it?
He hates it lol he wanted to win the cup.

And after the final I have to say I don't think at all it is undeserved or a farce or anything that he won it.

imo he was the best player on the pitch first 45 minutes.

people say he didn't run and didn't try, cannot disagree more, I thought he was fantastic.
Hummels couldn't contain him, thank god Boateng was in there too.
Missed a sitter (for his standards) though right after HT, and became less and less dangerous towards the end, as he was exhausted.

Fair play to him, and the rest of the Argentinian team, who were fantastic in this game, showed why they were among the two best teams, and it would have not been undeserved had they won it.

by Zizou Mon 14 Jul 2014, 10:44

should have been awarded to Neuer as well - clearly best Player of the WC and since he got to play as "Libero" as well - he very well deserves it Wink