Zealous wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:I asked Dani, he doesnt care. CRimson pimping the shit out of him on bigsoccer .

but like i said, if you want a DM, go for 24 mil Gustavo, much better, proven, versatile, experienced.

there is no phantasm around him, but we know he is legit.

Dani acting indifferent :hmm:Usually if he thinks someone sucks he'll let you know

If Gustavo was legit Bayern wouldn't have sold his ass. No thanks.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Zealous wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:I asked Dani, he doesnt care. CRimson pimping the shit out of him on bigsoccer .

but like i said, if you want a DM, go for 24 mil Gustavo, much better, proven, versatile, experienced.

there is no phantasm around him, but we know he is legit.

Dani acting indifferent :hmm:Usually if he thinks someone sucks he'll let you know

If Gustavo was legit Bayern wouldn't have sold his ass. No thanks.

He left because he doesnt fit Pep fantasy of what a single pivot is supposed to be in his system. It doesnt mean that he is a bad player. If i recall, pep is the guy that let Etoo and yaya go, were they shit too? no just african...and another negrito left bayern, shocking. come to madrid alaba...

mind you, Javi Martinez doesnt even fit that profile himself for pep

Zealous wrote:While I appreciate and respect your appraisal of Pogba Arq please keep in mind that my natural distaste for Pogba comes from the fact that such a large price tag is attached to him and his performances. A price tag I think is ludicrous and simply not worth the time and effort for a player who is not recognised as the best amongst his peers just yet.    

I'm also factoring in the fact that Raiola is his agent. On more than one occasion the club has out right refused to interact with him and I applaud the club for doing so. The way he held United and now Juve hostage isn't something that will stop any time soon or at least I predict this to be the case.

If Madrid could sign Pogba for half the reported prices being thrown around? If that were the case then of course I think we should sign him but seeing as how that is not the case at this moment in time I would.

That and his haircut is shit.

Mr Nick09 wrote:my point was that just like Etoo and Yaya, Gustavo didnt leave because he wasnt good enough, he simply didnt fit anymore. He still is a quality player, cheaper, better and safer than sir william. it's a no brainer really.

Mr Nick09 wrote:my point was that just like Etoo and Yaya, Gustavo didnt leave because he wasnt good enough, he simply didnt fit anymore. He still is a quality player, cheaper, better and safer than sir william. it's a no brainer really.

Zealous wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:my point was that just like Etoo and Yaya, Gustavo didnt leave because he wasnt good enough, he simply didnt fit anymore. He still is a quality player, cheaper, better and safer than sir william. it's a no brainer really.

I'm sorry mate Gustavo sucks. I hate to have to be the one that breaks this to you, he's not good enough and I seriously think Casemiro is better or will be better soon.

Arquitescu wrote:

Zealous wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:
i would do otherwise, at least pogba has shown something we can all attest of.

45 millions is his release clause, and thats what they are asking.

Uhhh What has Pogba shown exactly? From where I'm standing he's done nothing that is so impressive that we should pay 70-80 million for him and his ridiculous haircut. Winning the league in a one team league (and a very weak one team league at that) is supposed to impress me?

Also I want to avoid Raiola like the plague.  

You've made it clear before that you don't watch enough Serie A to diversify that Juventus' superior consistency and depth in the league does not make it directly equivocal to it being a weak league. Pogba's performances are also not directly proportional to those outliers; as I surmise you've scouted him since the turn of the year in which he has been below his standard and been called to be benched. As otherwise his Juventus' career has been nothing short of outstanding, no midfielder U-21 bar Verratti performing to those levels.

@YohanModric: So I guess we'll ignore Modric in his first year breaking the simplest of elementary roles of a quintessential CM or Xabi not adapting in such mercurial fashion either. Dribbling, agility and looking graceful is not the be all end all to a midfielder especially considering your signing has received inconsistent gametime to which leads to sluggish and performances that do not reflect the abilities of a player. Illara was deployed in the '2' of a 4-2-3-1 under Montanier and the '1' of a 4-1-2-3 and is not suited to be such a supplementary player in the current Madrid semantic. Then again its obvious you did not observe him last season and would notice overt traits rather than subtle ones which accumulate to make a truly intelligent midfielder.  

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Pogbas price tag is ridiculous, but so is the market. So, yeah if you want to buy a player who's got well over 10 years of football left in him and is touted to be the future best b2b mid in the world, he's not going to go cheap

Any half-decent Brazilian 'wonder kid' has an automatic 20M+ price tag slapped on them ffs. Anybody who gets a dosage of good old BPL sky sports hype after 6 months is touted to be worth 40M or more

That's just how it is. Obviously Pogba is not worth 70M, neither is anybody on a pure footballing level. Players like Messi however can recoup a lot of money through his fame.

Yohan Modric wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:

Zealous wrote:

Uhhh What has Pogba shown exactly? From where I'm standing he's done nothing that is so impressive that we should pay 70-80 million for him and his ridiculous haircut. Winning the league in a one team league (and a very weak one team league at that) is supposed to impress me?

Also I want to avoid Raiola like the plague.  

You've made it clear before that you don't watch enough Serie A to diversify that Juventus' superior consistency and depth in the league does not make it directly equivocal to it being a weak league. Pogba's performances are also not directly proportional to those outliers; as I surmise you've scouted him since the turn of the year in which he has been below his standard and been called to be benched. As otherwise his Juventus' career has been nothing short of outstanding, no midfielder U-21 bar Verratti performing to those levels.

@YohanModric: So I guess we'll ignore Modric in his first year breaking the simplest of elementary roles of a quintessential CM or Xabi not adapting in such mercurial fashion either. Dribbling, agility and looking graceful is not the be all end all to a midfielder especially considering your signing has received inconsistent gametime to which leads to sluggish and performances that do not reflect the abilities of a player. Illara was deployed in the '2' of a 4-2-3-1 under Montanier and the '1' of a 4-1-2-3 and is not suited to be such a supplementary player in the current Madrid semantic. Then again its obvious you did not observe him last season and would notice overt traits rather than subtle ones which accumulate to make a truly intelligent midfielder.  

Illarramendi is a good player, it's just I've only seen a few games of him at Real Sociedad and I'm judging him based on what he's done at Real Madrid. He's basically been a poor mans Alonso whenever he's played at CDM.

Being able to dribble quickly is important for a player who plays RCM/LCM in a 4-3-3 and whenever Illarra has played there he hasn't been able to do that.

Being intelligent is important as well, but it does kind of limit a player if he can't dribble or move around quickly enough.

Anyway I agree that he hasn't played consistently enough and he's been played in the wrong position, however going forward I can't really see him starting. A proper DM would be a better option to replace Alonso.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:I'd say we'd go for 60 if he doesn't sign a new deal

However, as soon as we sell him any player we enquire about will magically go up 50% in value, so tbh i'd rather we tried a player + cash deal so we're guaranteed to get at least 1 player we want as opposed to overpaying for a consolation target.

Tomwin Lannister wrote:I'd say we'd go for 60 if he doesn't sign a new deal

However, as soon as we sell him any player we enquire about will magically go up 50% in value, so tbh i'd rather we tried a player + cash deal so we're guaranteed to get at least 1 player we want as opposed to overpaying for a consolation target.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Zealous wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:my point was that just like Etoo and Yaya, Gustavo didnt leave because he wasnt good enough, he simply didnt fit anymore. He still is a quality player, cheaper, better and safer than sir william. it's a no brainer really.

I'm sorry mate Gustavo sucks. I hate to have to be the one that breaks this to you, he's not good enough and I seriously think Casemiro is better or will be better soon.

yes, players that have proven nothing are better than a player who clearly has. ok ok, i get it.

Mr Nick09 wrote:skills that are shown vs betis are worth a great load of grass and piss. It's football played at the highest level, under the most stressful situation that interests me. So casemiro and willian can show their skillzzz vs small fried in no pressure games all they want, i will go with a guy i know has performed in CL against the best teams in europe, and has demonstrated the consistency needed for top level football.

urbaNRoots wrote:Who the flying *bleep* is William

urbaNRoots wrote:Actually I've heard about Carvalho, didn't know they were the same person. He's linked with Man Utd every day, he'z supposed to be very good but I've never seen him play.

Gil wrote:Is that William lad actually tha great or just another Miguel Veloso? He's not actually played that much outside the Portuguese League has he?