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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:15 pm

RealGunner wrote:How can ANYONE argue Suarez isn't a top 6 player after a season he has had?

Messi & Neuer are in a separate league, followed by Suarez, Neymar, Robben, Ronaldo.

Then the likes of Müller, Hazard, Benzema, Sanchez, Boateng, Alaba, De Bruyne come in.


Sounds about right.

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Post by Kaladin Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:16 pm

Ganso wrote:Ibra isnt even a top 10 player anymore


How so? He's still pulling it for PSG despite being injured for a while, he only played 24 games this season and has 19 goals and 7 assists
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Post by S Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:19 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:I'd say that Suarez, CR, Messi, Ibra, Benz and Robben all are ahead when on form. But atm, i think he can find a spot ahead of some


You can strike both Ibra and Benz off that list.

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Post by chad4401 Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:20 pm

still can't see how dribbling a lot makes one a top 5 player
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:21 pm

Benz is arguable, but for him to actually be seriously considered he needs to leave Madrid and be the focal point for somebody else instead of always looking for Ronaldo.

Makes it difficult to actually consider him otherwise.
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Post by Ganso Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:22 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:
Ganso wrote:Ibra isnt even a top 10 player anymore


How so? He's still pulling it for PSG despite being injured for a while, he only played 24 games this season and has 19 goals and 7 assists

i have watched most PSG games this season and i can say he has been awful in the majority of the matches he played in. sports can confirm

i have no idea where his playmaking skills from his milan days went to
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Post by chad4401 Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:24 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Benz is arguable, but for him to actually be seriously considered he needs to leave Madrid and be the focal point for somebody else instead of always looking for Ronaldo.

Makes it difficult to actually consider him otherwise.


this is very true to an extent, but looking at his overall abilities he is a monster in the own right still, comfortable anywhere on pitch, technique, IQ is extremely high and proven big game player
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:27 pm

chad4401 wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Benz is arguable, but for him to actually be seriously considered he needs to leave Madrid and be the focal point for somebody else instead of always looking for Ronaldo.

Makes it difficult to actually consider him otherwise.


this is very true to an extent, but looking at his overall abilities he is a monster in the own right still, comfortable anywhere on pitch, technique, IQ is extremely high and proven big game player


Agreed, but he won't get the credit for it in Ronaldo's shadow sadly. At least Suarez has the Uruguay and Liverpool destruction to cling to.
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Post by S Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:28 pm

Good points tbh.I agree.
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:36 pm

Ganso wrote:
El Shaarawy wrote:
Ganso wrote:Ibra isnt even a top 10 player anymore


How so? He's still pulling it for PSG despite being injured for a while, he only played 24 games this season and has 19 goals and 7 assists

i have watched most PSG games this season and i can say he has been awful in the majority of the matches he played in. sports can confirm

i have no idea where his playmaking skills from his milan days went to


I've watched a majority of PSG games as well (Not because its headed by my country :coffee:) and i haven't noticed significantly different in his style nor a severe drop in his plays. If anything, its the fact that he doesn't need to playmake as much or score that many goals compared to his Milan days, since the PSG team has other reliable avenues in both regards.
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Post by chad4401 Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:37 pm

@mole yeah I feel he should leave, to truly prove his worth, but i had always hope that madrid would give him some room to take over games, that only happens when the season is on the line Laughing
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Post by Bankz Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:40 pm

RealGunner wrote:How can ANYONE argue Suarez isn't a top 5 player after a season he has had?

Suarez, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Robben are in  a separate league.

Then the likes of Bale, Hazard, Benzema, Sanchez comes in.

^This
Neymar is a confirmed top 5 player and I don't know how it's still a debate tbh, along with Suarez, messi, Cr7 but I think robben will naturally drop down that list, but yeah, they're all exclusively in their own league..
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:42 pm

I'm sorry but this 'top number x player' nonsense has to stop.

None of you bother to include any players apart from strikers or attacking midfielders, and since football isn't played just with attacking players this whole exercise cannot be called anything other than an ENORMOUS FAIL
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:44 pm

I think we are talking about forwards
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:49 pm

Haven't you heard Hans? All defenders suck :coffee:
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Post by chad4401 Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:54 pm

I think its a little too easy for players to be top 5 nowadays
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Post by futbol Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:57 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:I think we are talking about forwards


But I've seen Benzema's name mentioned.




















































Come at me, Plebs Rebs.

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Post by futbol Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:00 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:I'm sorry but this 'top number x player' nonsense has to stop.

None of you bother to include any players apart from strikers or attacking midfielders, and since football isn't played just with attacking players this whole exercise cannot be called anything other than an ENORMOUS FAIL


If I bothered to spend any logical thought process into it instead of writing stuff for the giggles on here I'd also say it's impossible to rank footballers in absolute numbers who are so close to each other in ability and differ mostly because of circumstances, teammate performances, tactics, form, luck etc.

Suarez vs. Robben? Obviously Suarez had the better season now but on ability who is "better" in a vacuum? Can you truly rank that in numerical order? Something like Messi vs. Reus is clear as day but what about Özil vs. de Bruyne? Lewandowski vs. Benzema? De Gea vs. Courtois?

But luckily I don't spend time using my brain whenever I'm on GL so:

1. Messi
2. Suarez
3. Neymar
4. Robben
5. Hazard
6. Cristiano

it is.

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Post by Kaladin Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:01 pm

Fußball wrote:
El Shaarawy wrote:I think we are talking about forwards


But I've seen Benzema's name mentioned.




















































Come at me, Plebs Rebs.


You took too long for that one ffs, been waiting for 10 mins
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Post by futbol Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:05 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:
Fußball wrote:
El Shaarawy wrote:I think we are talking about forwards


But I've seen Benzema's name mentioned.




















































Come at me, Plebs Rebs.


You took too long for that one ffs, been waiting for 10 mins


It's been a long season, I'm just tired right now. After recharging my batteries and having a preseason I'll be razor sharp again for 15/16. Molenation

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:06 pm

Futbol has a brain? i'm genuinely frightened by the possibilities.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:07 pm

It's just funny that whenever it's Ballon D'Or award season everyone is quick to point out how ridiculous they think the award is, team sport and all, but then spend all the rest of the year arguing about who are the 'top 3' or 'top 5' players and in which order lol.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:08 pm

This is the first time i have gave an order in probably years hmm

I now remember why i don't hmm
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Post by S Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:09 pm

stfu with all the reasoning and logic

i'll call rg to ban all of u
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Post by futbol Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:10 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:This is the first time i have gave an order in probably years hmm

I now remember why i don't hmm


Because no one takes orders from a Geordie pleb? :coffee:

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:15 pm

Fußball wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:This is the first time i have gave an order in probably years hmm

I now remember why i don't hmm


Because no one takes orders from a Geordie pleb? :coffee:


Stfu u hamburg pleb.
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