He was hyped a lot couple years back.

Quite simply no, he lacks pace and positional play. I think hes in his mid twenties by now and if he was that good one of the Premiership clubs would of snapped him up by now.

I wouldn't say world class yet given his age, he has much time to improve upon that.

I've continued to say that Höwedes is Germany's best pure CB when it comes to defensive ability. I'm a huge fan of Hummels who also is a better overall player yet outside Höwedes recent poor stint of form, he for me is the best German CB, followed by Hummels a close 2nd.

Always wanted Liverpool or Milan to buy him for a below 15m price to which is his current market price.

Hes not world class, but id say comfortably Germanys 2nd best defender, and could even have an argument for #1 best when hes on form. Recently hes been going through a poor stint of form though. It should also be noted that the fullbacks around him are all defensively garbage. Fuchs, Uchida, and Aogo are all good attacking fullbacks but defensively they leave alot to be desired. And Matip and Papa are not exactly the best CBs either though theyre certainly not bad, but I think once Santana and Howedes develop a good understanding we'll see just how good Howedes is. Which in my opinion is very, very good.

juventus101 wrote:Hes not world class, but id say comfortably Germanys 2nd best defender, and could even have an argument for #1 best when hes on form. Recently hes been going through a poor stint of form though. It should also be noted that the fullbacks around him are all defensively garbage. Fuchs, Uchida, and Aogo are all good attacking fullbacks but defensively they leave alot to be desired. And Matip and Papa are not exactly the best CBs either though theyre certainly not bad, but I think once Santana and Howedes develop a good understanding we'll see just how good Howedes is. Which in my opinion is very, very good.

papa is miles better than any juve cb at the moment, and he is on par with howedes. you are clueless

matip is inexperienced however he is another varane, again would have a starting spot at juve,

pls go

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KantLogic wrote:

juventus101 wrote:Hes not world class, but id say comfortably Germanys 2nd best defender, and could even have an argument for #1 best when hes on form. Recently hes been going through a poor stint of form though. It should also be noted that the fullbacks around him are all defensively garbage. Fuchs, Uchida, and Aogo are all good attacking fullbacks but defensively they leave alot to be desired. And Matip and Papa are not exactly the best CBs either though theyre certainly not bad, but I think once Santana and Howedes develop a good understanding we'll see just how good Howedes is. Which in my opinion is very, very good.

papa is miles better than any juve cb at the moment, and he is on par with howedes. you are clueless

matip is inexperienced however he is another varane, again would have a starting spot at juve,

pls go

I'll give you £100 in legit, no questions asked cash. If you remove yourself from this World this forum.

Just checked through his posts.

Seems like an ardent Mou fan and now shows us that he is a Papa fanboy too..Sounds familiar

I kinda miss Ninis

chiellini is overrated, bonucci lives up they nosense hype only for his experience, no wonder he rised up just now, for the rest i wont even bother

matip, papa both young, yet both better in the air and at tackling as well as positioning, better future, only worse team

£200.

Dortmund exposed him so much that he's now went on to cheer for Schalke ? Sounds legit

Don't hate on Papa. The boy is good, most people just forgot because he was injured for so long.

He's good but overrated by the "he's better than him because he doesn't play for Dortmund and Bayern hipsters" IMO.

Also his defensive skills are overstated as well but not surprising he's quite aggressive and those types are often overrated.

"cough" Subotic "cough".

the way schalke plays their defenders deserve double the hype

First Matip and Papa are better than Chiellini. Then Bonucci is shit and only gets praised because of his experience. And then to top it all off, Matip is young. Holy Moly he must be trolling. If not, ill personally add another 100 onto Tomwins offer for him the shut the hell up.

RWO, I wasnt hating on Papa. Hes a good defender, but for a Schalke team that could actually make a statement in the CL and is consistently a Top 3 team in the Bundesliga, only behind last years two CL finalists, I think hes a bit below par. Not a standout weak point, but I think they could do better.

A few more people chip in and we could remove him in a slightly different way...


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juventus101 wrote:First Matip and Papa are better than Chiellini. Then Bonucci is shit and only gets praised because of his experience. And then to top it all off, Matip is young. Holy Moly he must be trolling. If not, ill personally add another 100 onto Tomwins offer for him the shut the hell up.

RWO, I wasnt hating on Papa. Hes a good defender, but for a Schalke team that could actually make a statement in the CL and is consistently a Top 3 team in the Bundesliga, only behind last years two CL finalists, I think hes a bit below par. Not a standout weak point, but I think they could do better.

you dont even watch schalke weekly how can you even judge? pls go

you are biased since you and the other clueless juve fan support a team in discussion,
but what do i earn from this? i dont hate juve nor do i support schalke in any way

juve has a great team and manager, just the defence is overhyped, matip may be young yet he handles well the situation, schalke's coach is bad, even worse than stephens, defence has to deal with attacks minute in minute out, unlike juve were.. well i wont even bother explaining.
chielini who performs equally good with the national side.. oh wait.


both papa and matip have their unique qualities that overtake juve's best c duo, their qualities do not stand along their team's purpose on the pitch therefore any possible comparison demands variable reasons to be taken in consideration, reasons you didnt even think when comparing them cause you and your friend are clueless,

instead of wasting words on stupid jokes give me good reasons on why howedes isnt world class and juve's defenders are cause right now i aint aware of any

smh

You want to talk about 'good reasons' you absolute mess of a huming being


Here's a few

Juve play with wing-backs. Who spend a lot of time up in the opponents 3rd. Particularly Lichtsteiner.

Out 'CDM' in the 3-1-4-2 formation is a slow, physically average person who goes by the name of Andrea Pirlo.

Yet despite this, we had the best defence on record in all of the top leagues 2 seasons ago and the 2nd best behind Bayern last season

How can you only ship 45 league goals in two seasons (That's 76 games. Which is a BIIIG number of games if you can't count) if your CDM can't defend and your defence is 'Average'?

Does our coach run onto the pitch and chip in with a last ditch tackle or two?

Did Vucinic put in a defensive masterclass every week?
Did Giovinco use his overwhelming defensive abilities to save us?

And you're trying to say some random, above average (at best) defenders who can't manage to get a better move elsewhere are somehow... better than our back 3?


RIP Logic. You are missed.

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#PayForJustice

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I'm in if we can remove FIFA logic too, I'll double the pot

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#RemoveFIFALogic

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Stay on topic or I'll lock the thread and deal with those at fault for derailing it.

I think the poor lad had started having injuries from the start of year 2011. I still have high expectations for him, I think his injuries was one of the reason that he was not in demand by other clubs.
He has to prove himself once again this season being fit, looking at schalke's defence before Levekusen game which was their first win of the season and first clean sheet, everything went wrong for schalke so Höwdes alone is not responsible.

He is easily one of Germany's top 3 or 4 CB's along with Hummels, Mertesacker and an uninjured Badstuber. I really like the guy and a few years back I really wanted Bayern to get him.