Fußball wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:

Toffer put it nicely, because everyone forgets Götze last season due to Kagawa's form, but he was actually pulling all the strings back then before his injury. Winning the BL and reaching CL stages is not proof enough? Back then there was no Reus, either...

Before his injury Bayern was actually leading the league table. Götze started the first 14 games of the season (so the first half of the season). In that period the league table looked like this (first 17 games of the season):

Bayern: 37 points
Dortmund: 34 points
Schalke: 34 points

Then he got injured but Kagawa returned. In that period without him this is how the table looked like in the second half of the season (last 17 games):

Dortmund: 47 points
Bayern: 36 points
Stuttgart: 31 points

Doesn't look like a team that relies on Götze pulling the strings in fairness.

So before people take this the wrong way. I'm not doubting Götze's talent. What I'm doubting is that he is "proven" just because Dortmund have won things. The fact that Dortmund were capable of winning 15 out of 17 consecutive games in the Bundesliga without Götze and beat Bayern twice as well indicates that they wouldn't do worse with Neymar instead of Götze either. Dortmund don't seem to rely on Götze at all.

Harmonica wrote:

rwo power wrote:As a matter of fact, the BL is not the easiest to score for a single player. There may be more goals over all, but that is as the clubs rely on team work, not on single star players. Look at Bayern, for example - they scored the most goals by a wide margin, but their top scorer only got 15 goals.

Here you can look at the number of goals for the players:
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/torjaeger/1-bundesliga/2012-13/torjaeger-der-saison.html

That's not how it works. Bayern didn't have an individual scorer, because they didn't have an individual scorer. Not because it's harder to score, individually. They had such a player season before, and season before that. Gomez who scored 26 and 28 goals in league, respectively.

Kiessling scored 25 goals this season, and he isn't close to a Messi, Cronaldo or Falcao in quality. So who scored the next most in La Liga? Negredo, 25 goals.

BTW, now that he works for Messi at Barca, I would assume that Neymar will score less goals the next season.

When Neymar has Messi to create him chance after chance, he will score plenty, and Barca will actually score more next season.

Fußball wrote:Having said that. Agent Pep has ruined Götze.

Gil wrote:Gotze was always overrated. De Bruyne is a better player.

VivaStPauli wrote:No you were wrong. Accept it and move on.

If you asked the question now, you might be right. But you didn't. You asked it two years ago.
Edit: Technically you weren't wrong, because you asked. The poll result was right, is what I'm saying.