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Re: Champions League play-off
We'll thrash 'em
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trueRealGunner wrote:
Will be a tricky fixture but if we can't beat them, then we don't deserve to be in the CL.
good luck
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Kuyt GTFI this should be a very good tie. I couldn't have asked for a better team to face you guys from a Liverpool fans point of view.
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Re: Champions League play-off
Why would Liverpool fans care who we get in the CL?
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Fenerbahce: No side scored more goals from set piece situations (excluding penalties) in the Europa League last season than Fenerbahce (7)
Arsenal: Had the best conversion rate in the Champions League last season, scoring 21.3% of their chances@WhoScored
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Re: Champions League play-off
Because it will have an effect on Arsenal's mid-to-long term progress and ability to compete for trophies and CL places, something Liverpool wish to do as well... making us rivals to a degree.RealGunner wrote:Why would Liverpool fans care who we get in the CL?
Also because some fans like Arsenal alright (or did prior to this summer) and want to see them succeed when it's not directly hurting Liverpool's own progress. Others feel the opposite and enjoy seeing PL rivals fail even when it doesn't help LFC directly.
With Kuyt and others player we have much liked players previously from LFC playing and would like to see them do well, which Arsenal stand in the way of.
Finally, some are bitter about the way Arsenal have pursued Suarez and a hoping for the chance at a bit of schadenfreude and catharsis which they feel Arsenal missing out on the CL proper would provide.
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Fenerbahçe's Emre: "Arsenal one of the exponents of total football. They're a famous team, but we have a chance." http://uefa.to/1ckISxw
Re: Champions League play-off
I think your last point may have been the catalystRedOranje wrote:Because it will have an effect on Arsenal's mid-to-long term progress and ability to compete for trophies and CL places, something Liverpool wish to do as well... making us rivals to a degree.RealGunner wrote:Why would Liverpool fans care who we get in the CL?
Also because some fans like Arsenal alright (or did prior to this summer) and want to see them succeed when it's not directly hurting Liverpool's own progress. Others feel the opposite and enjoy seeing PL rivals fail even when it doesn't help LFC directly.
With Kuyt and others player we have much liked players previously from LFC playing and would like to see them do well, which Arsenal stand in the way of.
Finally, some are bitter about the way Arsenal have pursued Suarez and a hoping for the chance at a bit of schadenfreude and catharsis which they feel Arsenal missing out on the CL proper would provide.
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if liverpool dont sell us suarez, i will hate them as much as i hate stoke, second on my hate list below spurs. its going to be war between both clubs lool.
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Re: Champions League play-off
apparently Kos and Cazorla are suspended for the first leg
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Re: Champions League play-off
Extremely stupid rule
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Read somewhere that suspensions don't carry over from the previous tournament.
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how come Wenger's one got carried into this seasonGoonerJay29 wrote:Read somewhere that suspensions don't carry over from the previous tournament.
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I'm pretty sure they do carry over, well at least they do in FM .
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They carry over
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If we are forced to play another play-off,our schedule will go haywire.Hope we go direct into the Group stage.Arsenal may find themselves with a free pass to the elite stage even if they slip up over two legs as Fenerbahce are currently banned by UEFA.
The Istanbul outfit's former president, Aziz Yildirim, was jailed last September following an investigation into match-fixing allegations after their title win in 2011.
UEFA ruled earlier this summer that officials at the club were complicit in the match-fixing and imposed a European ban which was placed on hold after Fenerbahce appealed to the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport.
But CAS won't announce their verdict on August 28 - the day after the tie's potentially decisive second leg.
If the UEFA verdict is upheld, the Gunners would be reinstated even if they have been knocked out on the field.
Arsenal would then either be placed into the group stage - the draw takes place in Monaco on August 29 - or face ANOTHER play-off against Austrian side Salzburg, who were beaten on aggregate by Fenerbahce in the second knock-out round this week.
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we won't play another playoff.... it's either we play Fern (lose or win go through) or we play Salzburg if Uefa kicks Fern out before our games<(^^,)> wrote:If we are forced to play another play-off,our schedule will go haywire.Hope we go direct into the Group stage.Arsenal may find themselves with a free pass to the elite stage even if they slip up over two legs as Fenerbahce are currently banned by UEFA.
The Istanbul outfit's former president, Aziz Yildirim, was jailed last September following an investigation into match-fixing allegations after their title win in 2011.
UEFA ruled earlier this summer that officials at the club were complicit in the match-fixing and imposed a European ban which was placed on hold after Fenerbahce appealed to the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport.
But CAS won't announce their verdict on August 28 - the day after the tie's potentially decisive second leg.
If the UEFA verdict is upheld, the Gunners would be reinstated even if they have been knocked out on the field.
Arsenal would then either be placed into the group stage - the draw takes place in Monaco on August 29 - or face ANOTHER play-off against Austrian side Salzburg, who were beaten on aggregate by Fenerbahce in the second knock-out round this week.
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But the CAS verdict comes out only on Aug 28th which is after the completion of both the legs of the play-off.So I guess we'll probably go directly to the group stages irrespective of our result in the play-off,if there isn't gonna be a second play-off.Butt wrote:we won't play another playoff.... it's either we play Fern (lose or win go through) or we play Salzburg if Uefa kicks Fern out before our games<(^^,)> wrote:If we are forced to play another play-off,our schedule will go haywire.Hope we go direct into the Group stage.Arsenal may find themselves with a free pass to the elite stage even if they slip up over two legs as Fenerbahce are currently banned by UEFA.
The Istanbul outfit's former president, Aziz Yildirim, was jailed last September following an investigation into match-fixing allegations after their title win in 2011.
UEFA ruled earlier this summer that officials at the club were complicit in the match-fixing and imposed a European ban which was placed on hold after Fenerbahce appealed to the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport.
But CAS won't announce their verdict on August 28 - the day after the tie's potentially decisive second leg.
If the UEFA verdict is upheld, the Gunners would be reinstated even if they have been knocked out on the field.
Arsenal would then either be placed into the group stage - the draw takes place in Monaco on August 29 - or face ANOTHER play-off against Austrian side Salzburg, who were beaten on aggregate by Fenerbahce in the second knock-out round this week.
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It's kind of a mess. But the turks are being smart i guess... they still get the proceeds from the 2 games against Arsenal and that should be significant for them.
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Re: Champions League play-off
An in-depth analysis of Fenerbahce
Strengths
The Canaries biggest strength is undoubtedly going forwards, Fenerbahçe have several players capable of creating something out of nothing. Sow makes darting forward and diagonal runs, Webo is a menace from aerial balls, Kuyt – Mr Duracell – never tires and always puts in 100 percent. Then there is the likes of Raul Meireles who has a tendency of scoring wonder goals in big games with his dangerous long-shot, Emre has a passing range capable of causing just about any defence problems. On the bench Fenerbahçe have two of the brightest midfield talents in Turkish football, 19-year-old Salih Ucan and 22-year-old Alper Potuk. With the addition of Emmanuel Emenike who is likely to be available in time for the Arsenal game Fenerbahçe will possess a wide array of attacking options combing explosive speed, technical ability and lethal finishing.
Weaknesses
Fenerbahçe’s main vulnerability is in defense, Yanal will be praying right-back Gökhan Gönül recovers from his injury as his absence will be a huge miss for the Canaries. Gonul did just about everything a manager could hope for in a fullback last season. The Turkish international right-back bombed up and down the pitch contributing to attacking moves and showing bravery in defensive areas. However, the Canaries lack a decent replacement, Mehmet Topuz isn’t a right-back and it showed against Salzburg as the Austrian side exploited his side, Topuz didn’t know when to push up, when to drop back, struggled positionally and against a side like Arsenal boasting the likes of Walcott he would be in for a torrid time. The current defensive line hasn’t had time to gel yet, centre-back Bruno Alves and left-back Michal Kadlec arrived this summer.
Conclusion
The Gunners came out on top over when these two sides last met in the 2008-09 Champions League. Arsenal defeated Fenerbahçe 5-2 in Istanbul before drawing their home fixture 0-0. Wenger will be hoping history repeats itself however, the Canaries are a much stronger side than the one the Premier League side last face and a case can be made for Arsenal not having made any major improvements. Fenerbahçe will have gained confidence from Galatasaray’s victory over Arsenal in the 2013 Emirates Cup and with the 12th man behind them the Canaries could spring an upset next week.
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- The Fenerbahçe faithful are notorious for putting referees as well as the opposition under intense pressure however, on the field Fenerbahçe are far less settled. Ersun Yanal was appointed manager earlier this summer replacing Aykut Kocaman. The appointment had it’s fair share of supporters and critics, Yanal enjoyed successful stints at Gençlerbirliği and Ankaragücü before taking over as manager of the Turkish national team in 2004. The 51-year-old manager enjoyed a brief stint as head of Turkey followed by an unsuccessful term at Trabzonspor and was most recently manager of Eskişehirspor. Yanal has a good tactical understanding of the game and his teams are often associated with playing high-tempo, attacking football however, there are concerns over whether he can handle the pressure of a club the size of Fenerbahçe.
The appointment of Yanal creates an interesting conundrum for Arsenal in preparing for the play-off game. Yanal has only coached Fenerbahçe for two competitive games and has not decided yet exactly what system he will use. Fenerbahçe are still a side in transition, after playing for almost a decade using a predominantly 4-2-3-1 setup centred around Alex De Souza; a traditional South American – Enganche – playmaker, Kocaman shifted to a 4-3-3 formation. Traditionally Yanal has preferred to play a 4-3-3 however, opted for a 4-1-4-1 in the away leg fixture against Salzburg. The 4-1-4-1 created series of problems, the most striking being a lack match fit wingers. Yanal switched to a 4-3-3 for the return-leg resulting in a more hard-working, compact midfield and the attacking tridente of Moussa Sow, Pierre Webo and Dirk Kuyt caused Salzburg all sorts of problems with their speed, physicality and off the ball movement.
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- Fenerbahçe are far less reliant on any single player compared to the Alex De Souza era and have good squad depth with sufficient cover in most positions however, there are a few players Arsenal will have to keep a close eye on.
Moussa Sow – The Cobra of the Şükrü Saracoğlu, Sow decided to head East despite attracting Premier League interest following winning the Ligue 1 title and golden boot with Lille in the 2010-11 season. The Senegalese international has a knack for scoring wonder goals and was received a nomination in last seasons FIFA Puskás Award for 2013 goal of year.
Sow scored 19 goals and provided 10 assists in 54 appearances last season. The 27-year-old is a fast, powerful striker who reads the game well and is capable of creating something out of nothing. The Senegalese international’s goal against Salzburg is typical of what Sow brings to the table – great first touch, technique and lethal finishing. Arsenal will need to be careful of Sow especially if he gets into one on one situations with Per Mertesacker.
Emre Belözoğlu – Emre is one of the most decorated players in Turkish footballing history having played in the Premiership, Serie A, reached third place in the 2002 World Cup, semi-finalist in Euro 2008, won the Turkish Super League four times back-to-back with Galatasaray, the UEFA Cup and UEFA Super Cup in his illustrious career.
Despite reaching the ripe old age of 32 Emre oozes class in midfield and is one of Fenerbahçe’s most creative players. The Turkish international is capable of carving through most defences with his impressive passing range. The dynamic midfielder makes his presence felt across the pitch and knows how to rally his team as well as the crowd.
Dirk Kuyt – There were a few concerns when Fenerbahçe signed Kuyt from Liverpool last summer mainly centred around whether he still had the drive in him. Well it wasn’t long before Kuyt settled any doubts about his commitment to the cause. It’s difficult to think of a player in the league who worked as tirelessly as the Dutch international last season. Kuyt won over the fans with his efforts on the pitch and proved to be a class act off the field. Kuyt picked up the local lingo and even mastered a few local dances which he put to good use in his Turkish Cup final celebrations. Kuyt wracked up an impressive 17 goals and 15 assists in 56 appearances last season. The 33-year-old knows Arsenal well from his days at Liverpool and the Dutch international has a habit of raising the bar in big games.
Strengths
The Canaries biggest strength is undoubtedly going forwards, Fenerbahçe have several players capable of creating something out of nothing. Sow makes darting forward and diagonal runs, Webo is a menace from aerial balls, Kuyt – Mr Duracell – never tires and always puts in 100 percent. Then there is the likes of Raul Meireles who has a tendency of scoring wonder goals in big games with his dangerous long-shot, Emre has a passing range capable of causing just about any defence problems. On the bench Fenerbahçe have two of the brightest midfield talents in Turkish football, 19-year-old Salih Ucan and 22-year-old Alper Potuk. With the addition of Emmanuel Emenike who is likely to be available in time for the Arsenal game Fenerbahçe will possess a wide array of attacking options combing explosive speed, technical ability and lethal finishing.
Weaknesses
Fenerbahçe’s main vulnerability is in defense, Yanal will be praying right-back Gökhan Gönül recovers from his injury as his absence will be a huge miss for the Canaries. Gonul did just about everything a manager could hope for in a fullback last season. The Turkish international right-back bombed up and down the pitch contributing to attacking moves and showing bravery in defensive areas. However, the Canaries lack a decent replacement, Mehmet Topuz isn’t a right-back and it showed against Salzburg as the Austrian side exploited his side, Topuz didn’t know when to push up, when to drop back, struggled positionally and against a side like Arsenal boasting the likes of Walcott he would be in for a torrid time. The current defensive line hasn’t had time to gel yet, centre-back Bruno Alves and left-back Michal Kadlec arrived this summer.
Conclusion
The Gunners came out on top over when these two sides last met in the 2008-09 Champions League. Arsenal defeated Fenerbahçe 5-2 in Istanbul before drawing their home fixture 0-0. Wenger will be hoping history repeats itself however, the Canaries are a much stronger side than the one the Premier League side last face and a case can be made for Arsenal not having made any major improvements. Fenerbahçe will have gained confidence from Galatasaray’s victory over Arsenal in the 2013 Emirates Cup and with the 12th man behind them the Canaries could spring an upset next week.
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Re: Champions League play-off
Its clear Fenerbahçe are no push over, we are facing a tough team and there is no room for mistakes. So early in to the season it will be a tricky game.
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Never thought qualifier round would get as tense as Udine away was
but now this time could be worse
think we may sacrifice fulham game for this
but we Can do this,COYG
but now this time could be worse
think we may sacrifice fulham game for this
but we Can do this,COYG
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Re: Champions League play-off
So is Koscielny and Cazorla suspended for the match against Fenerbache? (Looking for a definitive answer)
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Fenerbahce blew a two goal lead to lose 3-2 today to Konyaspor, a newly promoted Turkish team. At least we aren't facing a team that has started its season any better than we have
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Re: Champions League play-off
Arsenal wil take the following squad to tomorrow’s Champions League qualifier with Fenerbahce. The group that will travel to Istanbul is as follows:
Szczesny
Fabianski
Jenkinson
Sagna
Mertesacker
Koscielny
Gibbs
Monreal
Wilshere
Ramsey
Frimpong
Rosicky
Cazorla
Podolski
Giroud
Walcott
Sanogo
Gnabry
Szczesny
Fabianski
Jenkinson
Sagna
Mertesacker
Koscielny
Gibbs
Monreal
Wilshere
Ramsey
Frimpong
Rosicky
Cazorla
Podolski
Giroud
Walcott
Sanogo
Gnabry
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-------------------------Szczesny-----------------------
Sagna----------Mertesacker----------Koscielny--------Gibbs
Walcott----------Wilshere-------Ramsey---------Cazorla
------------------------Giroud---------------------------
Bench: Monreal, Rosicky,Podolski, Fabianski, Jenkinson
Not bad.
Sagna----------Mertesacker----------Koscielny--------Gibbs
Walcott----------Wilshere-------Ramsey---------Cazorla
------------------------Giroud---------------------------
Bench: Monreal, Rosicky,Podolski, Fabianski, Jenkinson
Not bad.
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