Spanish top weights are set up to suit Messi and Ronaldo because they are godamn best players in the world. Bayern didnt build it on Mandzukik because he is ordinary and not worth a team build around him.

rwo power wrote:Well, really nice job by Messi. But if you look at the numbers in the table, one can pretty much see that these amazing stats are more of less due to the way Spanish teams are set up in general (first four places contain the three top Spanish teams): they go for one extraordinary scorer, while the other players are more or less water carriers for him.

Or that Messi, Cronaldo and Falcao are the best goal scorers in the world? Just a hunch.

If you compare Barca with Bayern, you have Messi with 46 of 111 league goals, while Bayerns top scorer Mario Mandzukic has just 15 of 98 goals and Thomas Müller as second comes in with 13 goals. I think, while Messi is standing out, he only can score that many goals as the team is set up around him. This actually goes for CRonaldo at Real Madrid, too.

Or that they are not close to players like Messi and Cronaldo?

League GpG 12-13

Bundesliga 2.93
La Liga 2.85
Premier League 2.80

You see that it's actually easier to score in Bundesliga than in La Liga. Which I think everyone already knew, but still.

If you look at Messi in a different setup that is not completely geared towards him (Argentine NT), he is still good, but not that effective at all (31 goals in 75 games for Argentina so far). Same goes for CRonaldo with 38 goals in 102 games for Portugal.

Messi just equaled the record of most goals in a season for Argentina, with better ratio than in Barcelona 12 goals in 9 games.

Harmonica wrote:]
Or that they are not close to players like Messi and Cronaldo?

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They are obviously outstanding players, Messi moreso than CR. But you cant deny the fact that CR is the focal point of the Real game, to a degree i personally think is unhealthy for the team.

CR takes ~7 shots per game, the next most shots is benzema with 2,1 shots per game. Where Bayern has Müller, Mandzukic, Kroos, Robben and Ribery with an average between 2,2-2,9 shots....

I don't disagree that Cronaldo takes too much chances, but Bayern don't really have players who to concentrate on, who has the ability to be the central figure. They had Gomez last season who scored 41 goals in total btw, but he was injured most of this season.

Harmonica wrote:

Nirgall wrote:

Collblanc wrote:Messi wont be putting that many goals in next season - Neymar + another good forward will take over. Messi to drop deeper and start playmaking alot more from now on.

Why would a team with so many play makers and so few finisher would force their best finisher to play deep?

It's not going to happen

Yeah not going to happen, maybe when he's much older, but not now.

He needs to loose speed first. As he is, he is too useful forward.

Never ceases to amaze me. Congrats little Leo.

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Harmonica wrote:

rwo power wrote:Well, really nice job by Messi. But if you look at the numbers in the table, one can pretty much see that these amazing stats are more of less due to the way Spanish teams are set up in general (first four places contain the three top Spanish teams): they go for one extraordinary scorer, while the other players are more or less water carriers for him.

Or that Messi, Cronaldo and Falcao are the best goal scorers in the world? Just a hunch.

If you compare Barca with Bayern, you have Messi with 46 of 111 league goals, while Bayerns top scorer Mario Mandzukic has just 15 of 98 goals and Thomas Müller as second comes in with 13 goals. I think, while Messi is standing out, he only can score that many goals as the team is set up around him. This actually goes for CRonaldo at Real Madrid, too.

Or that they are not close to players like Messi and Cronaldo?

League GpG 12-13

Bundesliga 2.93
La Liga 2.85
Premier League 2.80

You see that it's actually easier to score in Bundesliga than in La Liga. Which I think everyone already knew, but still.

If you look at Messi in a different setup that is not completely geared towards him (Argentine NT), he is still good, but not that effective at all (31 goals in 75 games for Argentina so far). Same goes for CRonaldo with 38 goals in 102 games for Portugal.

Messi just equaled the record of most goals in a season for Argentina, with better ratio than in Barcelona 12 goals in 9 games.

Wait to respond while I get the popcorn for the eventual RWO smack down

When You consider that the dude was injured towards the end of the season, yet managed to finish 12 goals clear of the next best scorer, you know that he's One of a Kind.

Next season is the one which is gonna truly define his legacy. Win the WC for Argentina, and there will be no further discussions on the Best of ALL TIME. Flop again, and he'll be remembered as the guy who beasted for his club and failed with his country.

Who designs his wardrobe?? Snoop dogg? Not enough  in the world for this
    

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Why is Portugal given a factor of 2.0 but France of 1.5?

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Why is Portugal given a factor of 2.0 but France of 1.5?

Coefficient.

Kamikaze692 wrote:Who designs his wardrobe?? Snoop dogg? Not enough  in the world for this
    

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