You're talking about taking a very talented young striker and converting him into a CAM, and putting more strikers in doesn't automatically mean better attacks and more goals.

I think if Conte done what you want him to do, we would not win the league.


3-4-1-2 is hard enough to defend with as it is, but then you factor in the fact that our DM is Pirlo and our wingbacks are told to get forward whenever they can, you have 3 CB's + Vidal doing the majority of the defending. This is suicide.

Not to mention the added defensive workload would stop our top scorer Vidal from getting forward as much.

Milan were playing players in position, and playing with a back 4 and 2 CM's to cover Pirlo.

We'd have Vidal trying to cover for Pirlo, Jovetic and still doing his other duties.

That's a tactical nightmare.

If we ever decided to xwitch to a 3-4-1-2 (Why the hell would we?) then Pirlo would have to go, playing Pirlo at this age in that formation would result in us being destroyed by any team who could string a few passes together.

lucianomoggi wrote:AC MILAN was playing with PIRLO, KAKA, SHEVA, INZAGHI who none of them was good on defense, so what is the problem JUVENTUS to do the same?

VIDAL + ASAMOAH + LINCHTAINER + BARZAGLI + BONNUCI + CHIELLINI to play on defensive role 6 players same as

SERGINHO + MALDINI + NESTA + CAFU + SEEDORF + GATUSSO that are 6 players as well,,

so why would you think this may not work for JUVENTUS?

Because Vidal was Juventus' most effective offensive player this season, and you're asking him to drop back into a more defensive role. It's moving Messi to left back.

Also, look at the quality of that Milan side, so many world class players. This Juventus side doesn't really compare on paper.

These formations that you talking about are just a delusion, football doesnt go that way,

All the top sides have four players who rarely defend such as:

messi, eto, henry, iniesta

Robben, ribery, kroos, gomez

Sheva, inzaghi, kaka, pirlo

C ronaldo, rooney, tevez, giggs

And I am not counting the sidebacks because players such as dani alvesh stands forward as much as asamoah or linchstainer....

So I think you got some facts wrong there that you should re chech before you tell that this formation is suicidal. ..

So all I was asking about is four attacking mindes players like those top sides: pirlo, jojo, vucinic, higuain..

And the coach can use other 6 options to defend and I dont think 6 players are not enough because you have 4 players you can youse as defenders and 2 players you can cover pirlo with them....

Jojo----' higuain -----' vucinic
-- asamoah -- vidal
--------' pirlo --------
Chiellini bonbon barzagli linchstainer

on this formation you can see that you already have.enough players to defend with, but I prefer the same players on 3412

Well put it this way, Conte knows infinitely more than us both and I will bet big money he never ever plays 3 strikers and he will never ever convert Jovetic into a Giaccherini type player.

Also, your comment about Rooney and Tevez not defending is so wrong it's actually hillarious.

Name me any CL standard club who plays 3-4-1-2 and also has a CDM who can't defend.

Reports rom sky say that Conte wants Higuain and Jovetic both in Juve because he thinks that's deadly combo

Abracadabra,

If you count rooney and tvez as a defwnder you should count higuain as well...

Icannot name you a club that play that formation but you can put them on that way and still our players seem to be more dwfensive minded ...

--------- henry ------ eto ------
-------------- messi ------------
Iniesta --- xavi --- busquets --- alvesh
------- abidal --- pique ----- poyol

As you can see on this formation iniesta dont suit there because he is more attacking minded... you have to give them peluso to play there...

When on earth did Barcelona play Iniesta as a wing back?

Good question,

Compare thoae players and you see that qe have too much defensive minded playera on starting xi so it would not be suicidal if you put jojo there where I was suggesting. ..

4-3-1-2:

Lichsteiner Bonucci Chiellini Kolarov

Vidal Pirlo Marchisio

Pogba

Higuain Jovetic

This starting lineup would surely win us the Champions League. If we got Jovetic, Higuain and Kolarov this summer Marotta would become a Juventino legend...

juve_gigi wrote:4-3-1-2:

Lichsteiner Bonucci Chiellini Kolarov

Vidal Pirlo Marchisio

Pogba

Higuain Jovetic

This starting lineup would surely win us the Champions League. If we got Jovetic, Higuain and Kolarov this summer Marotta would become a Juventino legend...

taking our best defender and our savor in the defense would make mess out of our defense .... If anything Bonucci would be forced to go to the bench

I LOVE UR SIG BTW , damn I love Kaka so much back in the past I loved Kaka Gatusso and Seedorf

These formations are funny. People are forgetting that we play with a regista. There is almost no reason to have Pirlo on the field if we are playing with three strikers and having a midfield of just Pirlo, Marchisio/Asamoah, and Vidal because the attack would be completely different.

Also, it's a bad idea to compare the formations to Barca or Milan teams. The type and skill level of players isn't even comparable. Give me players that can maintain possession like Barca and you can probably afford a three man attack. Also, that Milan back line was pretty damn good at its peak. Those are all great players. And Gattuso was a beast. He was like having two CDMs playing deep. Juve's back line of three defenders is good, but having four defenders like that Milan team is very, very good.

Conte plays possession football and you will not maintain possession with three strikers like some of the formations being thrown out there. At least not with the players that we currently have. Also, Chiellini will not play as a LB in a four man back line. That has been tried and failed.

Juve does not need massive formation changes. We need better strikers and that's what Marotta is trying to do by signing Higuain and Jovetic. If we can get a LWB and Pirlo replacement, that's great and a bonus to this transfer market. But we don't need massive tactical changes because we already have the right players for the formation and system we already run.

By the way, you're using great UCL teams that had great attacks as examples, but what about those teams that didn't have three man attacks that were also pretty good in recent years? Chelsea didn't need three strikers last season, Man U did quite well in 2011 without three strikers and lost to an unbelievable Barca team, and the 2009 United team had a pretty normal and balanced formation. Borussia Dortmund runs a normal formation as well with what is arguably one striker.

There is more than one way to play winning football. And we don't need three strikers or players to change their position and playing style the season after we made a good run in UCL and won the scudetto. I understand your arguments about three man attacks, but that just doesn't seem like a good idea for Juve right now with our current selection of players and potential transfer targets.

Luca wrote:Without penalties is key here
Also, best = most goals scored- that's how it will always be
Most efficient is another story, but you also have to look at shots per goal

Of course the table is a measure of efficiency, if you had read the article it would've been clear to you.

And based on shots on goal Matri's shots per goal ratio is 4.25 in the league, 7 for CL, however keeping in mind his CL goal were significant ones.
Quagliarella 7.9 in the league, 4.25 in CL - decent numbers given hes naturally a seconda punta
Vucinic 9.1 league, 9.5 CL
Giovinco 12.4 league; 9.5 CL

Clearly its evident which of our forwards should be more clinical. Vucinic and Giovinco should be hitting 15+ per season. Anything less for a CL side is unacceptable, though ideally you want your starting strikers to hit 20+in a season. Fact is, Matri and Quagliarella have done well with what limited time they have had, and credit must be given when its due

Matri is a good player, but if you offer little outside of penalty box scoring then you really need to be clinical and a constant goal scorer a la Pippo.


If he's happy playing back up then i'm fine with that. Who knows, if we get that SS like Jovetic then Matri's techinical weakness might not be as noticable with Jovetic providing for him. He could be a good bench option but personally I'd keep Quags for the bench.