Barca could sell Messi, buy Sanchez and Cesc and theyd still be favourites for everything. Theyre basicly building off of a WC winning side
If Messi moved elsewhere, he wouldnt be described as 1 of the best ever, he wouldnt be this mythical player that lords it over everyone.
The non Barca performances and fall in goals for Argentina has gone on for too long now, he just doesnt light up the international stage like a true great has.
Im sure slumming it with the poor players such as Aguero, Tevez etc affects him ( LOL)

You've been waiting to do this haven't you?

Tevez has been worse then Messi. Every single player is playing out of position for Argentina pretty much.

I agree that Barcelona would probably still do well without Messi, but it is ridiculous to base Messi's performances at other clubs on his NT form.

Argentina has plenty of WC players, and most looked mediocre at best tonight. That is because they are no team. at all. You can transplant Messi to Real Madrid, Arsenal, Villarreal or Milan, and he'd probably be just as good.

Messi might even be better in a team that plays counterfootball effectively.

It's funny during the club season on these boards everyone says without Messi Barca would be nothing. They rely on him way too much.

Barca without Messi would be toothless just like Spain was toothless

winning games 1-0 with 75% possession and such

But Spain were still winning at least...

I'd much rather see an entertaining 0-0 draw like we saw tonight than a 1-0 Spain borefest..

yes, you're absolutely right. barca should sell messi to inter because he'd be easy to replace and they'd make a fortune.

messi needs barca he grew up in la masia playing their style but argentina is way different they say that a lion is king everywhere not just at home :lol!:

Keep this civil ayt? carry on.

Xaviesta is the one true secret

Argentina play players out of position to accommodate Messi in his favourite position.
And Bhends, Barca wouldnt play with 10 men, without Messi maybe 1 of Etoo or Ibra wouldve stayed,maybe go for Rooney or something.
Theyd get close to their level but Messi wouldnt in another team

I would like to see what wil player like Ronaldo or Pele do when played as playmakers (out of position) for Brazil OR player like Zidane as a stricker LMAO!!

ffffssss just play a playmaker behind him "PASTORE".. Messi plays CF or Wing & Argentina will win!!

Khaledbarca wrote:I would like to see what wil player like Ronaldo or Pele do when played as playmakers (out of position) for Brazil OR player like Zidane as a stricker LMAO!!

ffffssss just play a playmaker behind him "PASTORE".. Messi plays CF or Wing & Argentina will win!!

is someone forcing him to play there khaled? when he does it for barca and succeeds, he is better than maradona, but when it comes to the NT, he is played out of position.

too much double standards

messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)

bhends wrote:Barca without Messi would be toothless just like Spain was toothless

winning games 1-0 with 75% possession and such

Hello?? They won the World Cup??

english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)

Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

shinigami99 wrote:

english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)

Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

But he managed to become successful with a small team at the time, and win CLs with them.
Plus he got his team to the WC finals.

shinigami99 wrote:

english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)

Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

He isn't compared to Maradona and Pele though. People have already put Messi in the same breath as them as there's no doubt those two are the best 2 players ever.

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

Khaledbarca wrote:I would like to see what wil player like Ronaldo or Pele do when played as playmakers (out of position) for Brazil OR player like Zidane as a stricker LMAO!!

ffffssss just play a playmaker behind him "PASTORE".. Messi plays CF or Wing & Argentina will win!!

is someone forcing him to play there khaled? when he does it for barca and succeeds, he is better than maradona, but when it comes to the NT, he is played out of position.

too much double standards

1- he is playing behind 3 forwards
2- @ Barca there is 2 playmakers behind him this is why he can play false 9 & it works..
3- @ Argetina he don't have a single playmaker behind him... PLUS no one in midfield can pass.. Banega is flopping ever match.. Cambiasso + Masch is not working!! no one can pass!!

Although he created today 3 dangerous chances..especially the through pass for lavezzi that put him 1 vs 1.. but like always lavezzi waited the chnace.. same senario in 2nd half Messi puts Aguero 1 vs 1 facing the GK.. & aguero fails to control...

add to this that NO one created for messi a single chance.. Banega sucked BIG TIME.. they need PASTORE ( @ least he should take a chance) he is argentina's last chance!!

IMO Messi should play on RW for Argentina.. this is where he will most succeed! Not 50 meters away from teh goal!!

shinigami99 wrote:

english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)

Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

cryuff was "performing" for holland, messi isnt.

Khaledbarca wrote:

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

Khaledbarca wrote:I would like to see what wil player like Ronaldo or Pele do when played as playmakers (out of position) for Brazil OR player like Zidane as a stricker LMAO!!

ffffssss just play a playmaker behind him "PASTORE".. Messi plays CF or Wing & Argentina will win!!

is someone forcing him to play there khaled? when he does it for barca and succeeds, he is better than maradona, but when it comes to the NT, he is played out of position.

too much double standards

1- he is playing behind 3 forwards
2- @ Barca there is 2 playmakers behind him this is why he can play false 9 & it works..
3- @ Argetina he don't have a single playmaker behind him... PLUS no one in midfield can pass.. Banega is flopping ever match.. Cambiasso + Masch is not working!! no one can pass!!

Although he created today 3 dangerous chances..especially the through pass for lavezzi that put him 1 vs 1.. but like always lavezzi waited the chnace.. same senario in 2nd half Messi puts Aguero 1 vs 1 facing the GK.. & aguero fails to control...

add to this that NO one created for messi a single chance.. Banega sucked BIG TIME.. they need PASTORE ( @ least he should take a chance) he is argentina's last chance!!

IMO Messi should play on RW for Argentina.. this is where he will most succeed! Not 50 meters away from teh goal!!

messi is alone up top, with lavezzi and tevez on the sides.,,

Khaledbarca wrote:

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:

Khaledbarca wrote:I would like to see what wil player like Ronaldo or Pele do when played as playmakers (out of position) for Brazil OR player like Zidane as a stricker LMAO!!

ffffssss just play a playmaker behind him "PASTORE".. Messi plays CF or Wing & Argentina will win!!

is someone forcing him to play there khaled? when he does it for barca and succeeds, he is better than maradona, but when it comes to the NT, he is played out of position.

too much double standards

1- he is playing behind 3 forwards
2- @ Barca there is 2 playmakers behind him this is why he can play false 9 & it works..
3- @ Argetina he don't have a single playmaker behind him... PLUS no one in midfield can pass.. Banega is flopping ever match.. Cambiasso + Masch is not working!! no one can pass!!

Although he created today 3 dangerous chances..especially the through pass for lavezzi that put him 1 vs 1.. but like always lavezzi waited the chnace.. same senario in 2nd half Messi puts Aguero 1 vs 1 facing the GK.. & aguero fails to control...

add to this that NO one created for messi a single chance.. Banega sucked BIG TIME.. they need PASTORE ( @ least he should take a chance) he is argentina's last chance!!

IMO Messi should play on RW for Argentina.. this is where he will most succeed! Not 50 meters away from teh goal!!

So he needs not one but two playmakers to be one of the best???

english_jewel wrote:

shinigami99 wrote:

english_jewel wrote:messi is over-rated

best player ever yet cant do anything with good "normal" players (aka the ones that are not xavi and iniesta)

as i said before if messi is going to be ONE of the greatest footballers ever than he has to win the wc with argentina, its as simple as that

you cant just perform for an already world class side and not do anything for country, thats his only way of proving that he just doesnt benefit from the barca side

which he hasnt done SO FAR (the so far is very important)

Cryuff says hello........never won world cup but was one of the greatest footballers

He isn't compared to Maradona and Pele though. People have already put Messi in the same breath as them as there's no doubt those two are the best 2 players ever.

Hahahaha, are you serious? Cruyff not in the list of Maradona and Pele?
And why is that so, then?

No doubt even?