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Zealous wrote:Yeah, it was Martinez who took Wigan down.

Was someone else managing today? I missed that.

stevieg8 wrote:

Zealous wrote:Yeah, it was Martinez who took Wigan down.

Was someone else managing today? I missed that.

Check the highlights then.

• Bitchslapped the entire Abu Dhabi group at Wembley

• Got Mancini sacked

• Caused Sp*rs to drop 2 points in their last meeting

• Helped us pick up 3 points today

Martinez will always be my hero

Zealous wrote:

stevieg8 wrote:

Zealous wrote:Yeah, it was Martinez who took Wigan down.

Was someone else managing today? I missed that.

Check the highlights then.

Yeah just double checked, you're still wrong. Not to mention that even if you weren't, he still had 36 other games in which to make an impact, and still failed to do so. The number of apologies you make for this man are hilarious, it borders on trolling. I can't even imagine how much crap you'd be giving him if Liverpool HAD hired him last year.

Yeah, I'm wrong because you don't agree. Even though you probably have very little insight into what happens at Wigan and what Martinez has to work with and has done.

You and other Liverpool peeps have it out for him because he rejected Henry's offer to be coach because he wanted more control. Also me calling him Batman and Rodgers Robin seems to have gotten sand in your collective panties.

So by all means hate on Martinez all you want but the only thing that's hilarious is Enigma and Aggerswagger (stupid name since Agger clearly has none with all those disgusting tattoos) pretend to rate worthless bums like Steve Bruce over genuine football managers like Roberto.

Wigan's only goal is survival, they are not a club that will grow to anything besides bottom table finishes. Despite that Roberto has set up a football system there and rebuilt the club from the top down. Now Wigan have a good academy, they'll be able to depend on in the future thanks in no small part to him. He did the same at Swansea and look where they are now.

They got relegated and that sucks but towards the end of the season he only had one semi-fit out and out CB so it was as make shift as make shift got. Overall they took a number of scalps and gave a lot of teams some scars over the years. They'll have memories of great wins against much bigger, richer teams outplaying them in the process and they'll have a cup to hold the tears that will be shed this summer. Martinez has done a great job at Wigan, ask anyone who watches Wigan regularly what they think of him, I dare you to find anyone who has a negative opinion.

The Cup is a far greater achievement for a club like Wigan. It's history, it cannot be unwritten. It's a memory that will last lifetimes. Who remembers what teams were relegated 4/5 years ago? To think that finishing 17th in the league is better than winning the FA Cup, for a small town club, is an extremely short-termist view

I'm not disagreeing with you on there being outside factors that influenced the situation at Wigan. Martinez had quite a job to do, and there are many positive things to take from his time in charge. I'm simply pointing out that you make excuses for his failures. You say that Wigan's goal was simply to stay up, so we shouldn't slate his consistent sub-15th finishes. I respond that HE STILL FAILED IN THAT GOAL THIS YEAR. For all the different factors involved - access to money, ambition of owners, injuries - a relegation is still on his record. Talking about how amazing of a manager he is while completely ignoring the role he played in seeing a team finish in the bottom 3 - with some decent players at his disposal - is disingenuous. The fact is he is a manager who presided over a team with one of the worst defensive records in the league, not to mention their inadequacies from set plays, which he should have a direct impact on. He set up a great academy, got a few good memories and games out of his players, and won a cup, but he also got relegated. Stop trying to ignore the bad.

Personally, I think you make these excuses and paper over his role in the relegation because you enjoy trolling Liverpool fans. I genuinely think that if Liverpool had hired him instead of BR last year, you'd be talking about how much better of a manager BR is and how Liverpool should regret they signed Martinez. But that's just speculation; maybe you genuinely are that dissonant in your manner of thinking. I don't really know. Either way, don't act like I'm saying anything that crazy.

Wigan's best chance to come back up is next season if they can keep some of the better players. They aren't a rich club and I'm expecting them wither away in a couple of years time unless they bounce straight back up, but I doubt it.

Will be interesting to see whether Martinez stays or not.
Also a few of their players will attract interest, Maloney, Kone, McManaman, Al Habsi.

By the way, I think Wigan's first three games next season will be a Championship fixture, a Europa League qualifier and the Community Shield game

Wigan don't have to play any qualifiers by virtue of being Cup champions. They go straight into the groups if I'm not mistaken.

Wonder how they will manage 46 championship matches, CC, FA Cup and the EL.

stevieg8 wrote:I'm not disagreeing with you on there being outside factors that influenced the situation at Wigan. Martinez had quite a job to do, and there are many positive things to take from his time in charge. I'm simply pointing out that you make excuses for his failures. You say that Wigan's goal was simply to stay up, so we shouldn't slate his consistent sub-15th finishes. I respond that HE STILL FAILED IN THAT GOAL THIS YEAR. For all the different factors involved - access to money, ambition of owners, injuries - a relegation is still on his record. Talking about how amazing of a manager he is while completely ignoring the role he played in seeing a team finish in the bottom 3 - with some decent players at his disposal - is disingenuous. The fact is he is a manager who presided over a team with one of the worst defensive records in the league, not to mention their inadequacies from set plays, which he should have a direct impact on. He set up a great academy, got a few good memories and games out of his players, and won a cup, but he also got relegated. Stop trying to ignore the bad.

Not going to disagree, the bad is there but the good very much outweighs it overall. Considering Wigan lost their best player EVERY SUMMER without fail it was only going to be a matter of time before they went down anyway.

You don't blame life support when a terminally ill patient dies.

stevieg8 wrote:Personally, I think you make these excuses and paper over his role in the relegation because you enjoy trolling Liverpool fans. I genuinely think that if Liverpool had hired him instead of BR last year, you'd be talking about how much better of a manager BR is and how Liverpool should regret they signed Martinez. But that's just speculation; maybe you genuinely are that dissonant in your manner of thinking. I don't really know. Either way, don't act like I'm saying anything that crazy.

I couldn't care less about Liverpool and if it seems like I have some sort of agenda against Liverpool then I assure you, I really don't have anything against them. Give me some credit here, if Martinez had gone to Liverpool I'd be saying the same thing. Martinez is a very good manager. That is my opinion and it's not born out of "trolling".

You're suggesting that Martinez took Wigan down. That's not the case at all and I strongly disagree.

All reasonable responses. Agree to disagree on Martinez's role in this, I guess. I'm sorry I accused you of trolling.

Their defeat to Swansea is what cost them. They were the makers of their downfall. Stupid defensive errors v Swansea and Spurs, not being able to beat a 10 man QPR team.

On their day, they can beat anyone and they played some of the best football in the league. The FA cup win will cushion the blow.

Can't see them bouncing straight back up. Martinez will most likely be snapped up by Everton or a La Liga team. Kone, Maloney, Mcmanaman will all be heading to BPL teams I'd imagine.

Goodbye, Wigan. 2005-2013

Martinez has left, Wigan are in trouble.

Goodbye Everton, have fun in the Championship

@OptaJoe: 25% - Of the 47 bosses to manage over 100 PL games for a single club, only two have a lower win ratio than Martinez (25%) at Wigan. Parting.

I'd like to see the win percentage of those coaches if they had to manage Wigan lol

Wigan before Martinez: 31%

Guess we will find out who is right and who isn't when he manages Everton

ExtremistEnigma wrote:Wigan before Martinez: 31%

Zeal vagi

EL Patron wrote:Martinez has left, Wigan are in trouble.

Inevitable promotion.

ExtremistEnigma wrote:Goodbye Everton, have fun in the Championship

Hope not. PL wouldn't be the same without them. Plus, it'd feel weird NOT playing Everton.

According to beeb, Owen Coyle will replace Martinez

Great choice imo

Well, looks like Stuart Holden will be loaned to Wigan at some point in the season