zizzle wrote:He's not the one who complains because the team isnt winning "Madrid style", and he didnt leak locker room tensions to the media, putting the team in jeopardy to try to outs the coach.

Mourinho is an attention seeking bastard, but by doing so he keeps the spotlight off the players and that helps him create a team mentality, that mentality that got him to win so much in the first place.

his job is to manage the players and not to let rifts happen, he didnt do that, he failed in that regard. he cant expect every locker room he goes to, to submit to his will and to drink his word like gospel.

that being said, mourinho failed short of winning a CL in madrid because he proved to be average team builder. the kind of tactics he employed for underdog clubs like inter cant work in madrid. he couldnt figure that out, and he was repeatedly outdone by superior coaching.

sportsczy wrote:Keeps attention by saying how much better England and EPL are since the start of the season?

Motivating the team by saying that Madrid were not the better team and did not deserve to beat Man U?

He's spent the whole year interviewing for a manager job in EPL as opposed to managing Madrid lol.

well we're talking about the second half of his 3rd season, AFTER his fate was sealed. It's not the most professional thing to do but he didnt do that with his previous clubs either. Something is special about Madrid eh ?

zizzle wrote:He's not the one who complains because the team isnt winning "Madrid style", and he didnt leak locker room tensions to the media, putting the team in jeopardy to try to outs the coach.

Mourinho is an attention seeking bastard, but by doing so he keeps the spotlight off the players and that helps him create a team mentality, that mentality that got him to win so much in the first place.

Winning Madrid style is actually winning trophies while trying to play attractive. All he is doing now is referencing the fact that we have had 18 coaches before him and he has reached the Semis more than them. He is starting to sound like Wenger. His record 100 points that we got last season can be equalled by Barca if they win their remaining matches so suddenly it doesn't actually look like he performed out of the ordinary.

He has also a tendency of criticising players publicly without the players ever raising a finger to him but when Ramos/Iker have balls to say things to his face he goes into an all destruction mode slating everything from our youth team to our management.

Everybody knew there we tension in our locker room and you didn't need a source from the inside to believe this. Mourinho has spent nearly this whole season glued to his seat not giving any instructions at all he has also made Karanka do all the interviews until now. Long story cut short he wants to get sacked so that he gets his 20mill compensation and goes to where he is 'loved'

There was never problems like this with Pellegrini. Goes to show that these so called egos can actually cooperate if they have a coach who is willing to do the same

and most hilarious thing was criticizing Iker and Ramos in the training for being friends with Barca players

Do we really expect the players to respect him after all this drama?


Ronaldo last weak

''I dont care about Mouriho what i care about is Madrid''

Mr Nick09 wrote:

zizzle wrote:He's not the one who complains because the team isnt winning "Madrid style", and he didnt leak locker room tensions to the media, putting the team in jeopardy to try to outs the coach.

Mourinho is an attention seeking bastard, but by doing so he keeps the spotlight off the players and that helps him create a team mentality, that mentality that got him to win so much in the first place.

his job is to manage the players and not to let rifts happen, he didnt do that, he failed in that regard. he cant expect every locker room he goes to, to submit to his will and to drink his word like gospel.

that being said, mourinho failed short of winning a CL in madrid because he proved to be average team builder. the kind of tactics he employed for underdog clubs like inter cant work in madrid. he couldnt figure that out, and he was repeatedly outdone by superior coaching.

If i remember correctly the rift with Casillas started After he leaked locker room tensions to the media...what kind of a captain is that ? I'm not saying Mourinho isnt responsible for anything but you expect better from your captain.

The problem with Madrid is this diva mentality you just demonstrated, the underdog tactics would work anywhere if the players had the humility to make it work, but neither Madrid players nor their fans will stop living in the past and do whatever it takes to be winners once again.

No this all started when Iker was phoning Xavi at the hight of the Clasico tensions. Mourinho hated it and basically since then their relationship has just deteriorated

halamadrid2 wrote:

zizzle wrote:He's not the one who complains because the team isnt winning "Madrid style", and he didnt leak locker room tensions to the media, putting the team in jeopardy to try to outs the coach.

Mourinho is an attention seeking bastard, but by doing so he keeps the spotlight off the players and that helps him create a team mentality, that mentality that got him to win so much in the first place.

Winning Madrid style is actually winning trophies while trying to play attractive. All he is doing now is referencing the fact that we have had 18 coaches before him and he has reached the Semis more than them. He is starting to sound like Wenger. His record 100 points that we got last season can be equalled by Barca if they win their remaining matches so suddenly it doesn't actually look like he performed out of the ordinary.

He has also a tendency of criticising players publicly without the players ever raising a finger to him but when Ramos/Iker have balls to say things to his face he goes into an all destruction mode slating everything from our youth team to our management.

Everybody knew there we tension in our locker room and you didn't need a source from the inside to believe this. Mourinho has spent nearly this whole season glued to his seat not giving any instructions at all he has also made Karanka do all the interviews until now. Long story cut short he wants to get sacked so that he gets his 20mill compensation and goes to where he is 'loved'

There was never problems like this with Pellegrini. Goes to show that these so called egos can actually cooperate if they have a coach who is willing to do the same

Starting where you left off Pellegrini never won with Madrid, but he never got enough time so we'll never know. As for criticizing players, i didnt see Mourinho do that with Inter or Chelsea, so why would he do it in Madrid ? is it because he's coaching princesses ? you tell me

No, it's because the players at Madrid are bigger stars and have mightier reputations than Mou. They don't grovel around him. He's such a little man that he couldn't deal with that.

Dortmund, Barca and Bayern don't need to resort to underdog tactics so why do Madrid?

Why do a team who has spent 900m euros over last 11 years need to resort to underdog tactics to win things?

The excuses from Mourinho fan boys are always hilarious but this really does take the biscuit, just admit he failed this season ffs.

Can't believe i'm actually defending the club i hate

You can add Juve and Man U to that list... none of them play underdog tactics. PSG is a special case... other than Silva, we're dealing with Newcastle-level defenders. The only other good defender, Sakho, is inexplicable benched lol. So either Carlo protected the defense or the club needed to score 3-4 goals every game lol.

The cost of players shouldn't only be considered. Tactics matter too.

zizzle wrote:

halamadrid2 wrote:

zizzle wrote:He's not the one who complains because the team isnt winning "Madrid style", and he didnt leak locker room tensions to the media, putting the team in jeopardy to try to outs the coach.

Mourinho is an attention seeking bastard, but by doing so he keeps the spotlight off the players and that helps him create a team mentality, that mentality that got him to win so much in the first place.

Winning Madrid style is actually winning trophies while trying to play attractive. All he is doing now is referencing the fact that we have had 18 coaches before him and he has reached the Semis more than them. He is starting to sound like Wenger. His record 100 points that we got last season can be equalled by Barca if they win their remaining matches so suddenly it doesn't actually look like he performed out of the ordinary.

He has also a tendency of criticising players publicly without the players ever raising a finger to him but when Ramos/Iker have balls to say things to his face he goes into an all destruction mode slating everything from our youth team to our management.

Everybody knew there we tension in our locker room and you didn't need a source from the inside to believe this. Mourinho has spent nearly this whole season glued to his seat not giving any instructions at all he has also made Karanka do all the interviews until now. Long story cut short he wants to get sacked so that he gets his 20mill compensation and goes to where he is 'loved'

There was never problems like this with Pellegrini. Goes to show that these so called egos can actually cooperate if they have a coach who is willing to do the same

Starting where you left off Pellegrini never won with Madrid, but he never got enough time so we'll never know. As for criticizing players, i didnt see Mourinho do that with Inter or Chelsea, so why would he do it in Madrid ? is it because he's coaching princesses ? you tell me

I don't know why he suddenly started criticising our players. It is rude and downright inhuman. He seems to be trying to do opposite to what the media says.

I know that it is very hard to coach Madrid with the media constantly on your back creating false rumours but its your job as a manager to work round this and given the experience of mourinho he should have but he did the complete opposite

sportsczy wrote:You can add Juve and Man U to that list... none of them play underdog tactics. PSG is a special case... other than Silva, we're dealing with Newcastle-level defenders. The only other good defender, Sakho, is inexplicable benched lol. So either Carlo protected the defense or the club needed to score 3-4 goals every game lol.

Tbf i maybe extremely delusional here but i would think Carlo would prefer Coloccini/Yanga-Mbiwa, Santon and Debuchy to Alex, Jallet and Maxwell.

We are just managed by a buffoon

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Dortmund, Barca and Bayern don't need to resort to underdog tactics so why do Madrid?

Why do a team who has spent 900m euros over last 11 years need to resort to underdog tactics to win things?

The excuses from Mourinho fan boys are always hilarious but this really does take the biscuit, just admit he failed this season ffs.

Can't believe i'm actually defending the club i hate

so why hire an underdog manager in the first place ? The Madrid management hired him exactly because he beat Barcelona with Inter, and how did he do that ? by doing the same thing he tried to do at Madrid. You simply cant buy a 3 ton monster truck and expect it to drive like a Ferrari

What a G!

I laughed my head off when I read that, Pepe must be pissssed

Telling it like a boss, Mourinho gave it to Pepe in that interview, world class in my opinion, my only wish is that he stays on for at least one more year, there's still a lot of work to be done to rid the club of the negative effects of player and media power.

starting lawlbiol and essien.. and paying the price for it.. what a boss.. he makes us lose. pure boss. lawl. and diego really 'came out for that cross' rofl. he also lost us the league by losing to malaga by benching iker for the first time... with all of barcas fark ups we could have had a chance to win the liga. all of our troubles were due to the special one this season.

raulmadrid4vr wrote:starting lawlbiol and essien.. and paying the price for it.. what a boss.. he makes us lose. pure boss. lawl. and diego really 'came out for that cross' rofl. he also lost us the league by losing to malaga by benching iker for the first time... with all of barcas fark ups we could have had a chance to win the liga. all of our troubles were due to the special one this season.

Dear Lord, who feeds you this bullshit? I hope it's not you who came up with this, because it's downright idiotic.

Barca's La Liga frack ups? 29 W 4D 2L record are frack ups? And have you by any chance seen Pepe's and Arbeloa's form in the last couple of months? The only slight point you have is about benching Iker, but Lopez has been very solid ever since he started. A couple of errors here and there, but if you honestly believe Iker handles crosses better than him than I revert you to my first paragraph.

Now, to be objective, Mou is a trouble maker, he has cost the club a lot of respect, fans, even some values, and there is no doubt he completely failed in this department. However, he didn't get it all wrong, especially with the Spanish journalists who make the British press look like MENSA members. Still, he should have known better and so should have Perez, signing him for 4 more years with all the tensions in the locker room and off the pitch. Blaming only the coach for all our troubles has been what we have been doing for the past 13 years and look where it got us.

Having said that, Mou's competitive record is almost terrific, and even this season wasn't a complete disaster we were getting used to before his arrival. He has dethroned the best team of all time and we are beating them regularly now. We have also moved on from the complete mockery of a team we were in Europe - what was it, 5 consecutive years in 1/8 final? - and have lost two SF's by a single goal and one on PK's. Not that bad for a lucky competition like CL, actually. We've also massively improved our Copa performances (Pellegrini's Alcorcon comes to mind); you know when was the last time we won the Copa? 18 years ago! And if the team was up for it like they were when Capello was in charge, we could have still salvaged La Liga or at least took Barca to the very end.

Anyway, his biggest fail, and this can't be avoided, is the quality of football. It's simply not good enough as I prefer losing 2-6 to Barca and enjoying the other 36 games than winning a bunch of unwatchable matches. However, he'd be shown the door if the results weren't going his way, so can you really blame him or is it the president - and the over-demanding fanbase - who should take the bulk of the blame?

Sure, Mou is not the one to play pretty football, but if you like it or not, our team is not clearly the best team in the world that can blow away all other teams with brilliant footy while at the same time maintaining a 100% winning record. In recent memory, Schuster's team was probably the most watchable and successful, and that's saying a lot. Some flexibility is a must, but we still should be able to play good footy 90% of the time and this is why Mou absolutely must go.

However, making it seem like it was him who completely failed and absolving all players of any blame is very silly. Look at his coaching record and then look at our team's record and tell me who failed more often. He'll get another job real easy, but I am worried which direction will we take. In any case, some stability is a must even though it costs us a season or two. Despite some obvious shortcomings, the core of our players is exactly the right age (Iker, Ramos, Modric, CR) or getting there (Varane, Benzema, Pipita, Ozil), but they need the right leader.

Clandestino wrote:

raulmadrid4vr wrote:starting lawlbiol and essien.. and paying the price for it.. what a boss.. he makes us lose. pure boss. lawl. and diego really 'came out for that cross' rofl. he also lost us the league by losing to malaga by benching iker for the first time... with all of barcas fark ups we could have had a chance to win the liga. all of our troubles were due to the special one this season.

Dear Lord, who feeds you this bullshit? I hope it's not you who came up with this, because it's downright idiotic.

Barca's La Liga frack ups? 29 W 4D 2L record are frack ups? And have you by any chance seen Pepe's and Arbeloa's form in the last couple of months? The only slight point you have is about benching Iker, but Lopez has been very solid ever since he started. A couple of errors here and there, but if you honestly believe Iker handles crosses better than him than I revert you to my first paragraph.

Now, to be objective, Mou is a trouble maker, he has cost the club a lot of respect, fans, even some values, and there is no doubt he completely failed in this department. However, he didn't get it all wrong, especially with the Spanish journalists who make the British press look like MENSA members. Still, he should have known better and so should have Perez, signing him for 4 more years with all the tensions in the locker room and off the pitch. Blaming only the coach for all our troubles has been what we have been doing for the past 13 years and look where it got us.

Having said that, Mou's competitive record is almost terrific, and even this season wasn't a complete disaster we were getting used to before his arrival. He has dethroned the best team of all time and we are beating them regularly now. We have also moved on from the complete mockery of a team we were in Europe - what was it, 5 consecutive years in 1/8 final? - and have lost two SF's by a single goal and one on PK's. Not that bad for a lucky competition like CL, actually. We've also massively improved our Copa performances (Pellegrini's Alcorcon comes to mind); you know when was the last time we won the Copa? 18 years ago! And if the team was up for it like they were when Capello was in charge, we could have still salvaged La Liga or at least took Barca to the very end.

Anyway, his biggest fail, and this can't be avoided, is the quality of football. It's simply not good enough as I prefer losing 2-6 to Barca and enjoying the other 36 games than winning a bunch of unwatchable matches. However, he'd be shown the door if the results weren't going his way, so can you really blame him or is it the president - and the over-demanding fanbase - who should take the bulk of the blame?

Sure, Mou is not the one to play pretty football, but if you like it or not, our team is not clearly the best team in the world that can blow away all other teams with brilliant footy while at the same time maintaining a 100% winning record. In recent memory, Schuster's team was probably the most watchable and successful, and that's saying a lot. Some flexibility is a must, but we still should be able to play good footy 90% of the time and this is why Mou absolutely must go.

However, making it seem like it was him who completely failed and absolving all players of any blame is very silly. Look at his coaching record and then look at our team's record and tell me who failed more often. He'll get another job real easy, but I am worried which direction will we take. In any case, some stability is a must even though it costs us a season or two. Despite some obvious shortcomings, the core of our players is exactly the right age (Iker, Ramos, Modric, CR) or getting there (Varane, Benzema, Pipita, Ozil), but they need the right leader.

Great post man. You should post more.

The brutal treatment Mou gets here is too extreme, but that sums up what I feel towards him right now. I think it's best for both if he leaves now, I can't see him ever getting the control he wants or the players ever getting along with him.

Why didnt Mou put his ego beside for the team and select Pepe over a terrible albiLOL who has never played a big game in his life?

it's normal that 2-3 players have lesser years perhaps... but you don't expect 9 out of the 11 starters to be off. That indicates more a management issue than a player one. We haven't changed managers or system from the previous year. The players aren't old other than Alonso and we haven't had an unusual amount of injuries.

Mou's tyrant act just didn't work and he didn't have plan b. Simple as that.

Clandestino wrote:

raulmadrid4vr wrote:starting lawlbiol and essien.. and paying the price for it.. what a boss.. he makes us lose. pure boss. lawl. and diego really 'came out for that cross' rofl. he also lost us the league by losing to malaga by benching iker for the first time... with all of barcas fark ups we could have had a chance to win the liga. all of our troubles were due to the special one this season.

Dear Lord, who feeds you this bullshit? I hope it's not you who came up with this, because it's downright idiotic.

Barca's La Liga frack ups? 29 W 4D 2L record are frack ups? And have you by any chance seen Pepe's and Arbeloa's form in the last couple of months? The only slight point you have is about benching Iker, but Lopez has been very solid ever since he started. A couple of errors here and there, but if you honestly believe Iker handles crosses better than him than I revert you to my first paragraph.

Now, to be objective, Mou is a trouble maker, he has cost the club a lot of respect, fans, even some values, and there is no doubt he completely failed in this department. However, he didn't get it all wrong, especially with the Spanish journalists who make the British press look like MENSA members. Still, he should have known better and so should have Perez, signing him for 4 more years with all the tensions in the locker room and off the pitch. Blaming only the coach for all our troubles has been what we have been doing for the past 13 years and look where it got us.

Having said that, Mou's competitive record is almost terrific, and even this season wasn't a complete disaster we were getting used to before his arrival. He has dethroned the best team of all time and we are beating them regularly now. We have also moved on from the complete mockery of a team we were in Europe - what was it, 5 consecutive years in 1/8 final? - and have lost two SF's by a single goal and one on PK's. Not that bad for a lucky competition like CL, actually. We've also massively improved our Copa performances (Pellegrini's Alcorcon comes to mind); you know when was the last time we won the Copa? 18 years ago! And if the team was up for it like they were when Capello was in charge, we could have still salvaged La Liga or at least took Barca to the very end.

Anyway, his biggest fail, and this can't be avoided, is the quality of football. It's simply not good enough as I prefer losing 2-6 to Barca and enjoying the other 36 games than winning a bunch of unwatchable matches. However, he'd be shown the door if the results weren't going his way, so can you really blame him or is it the president - and the over-demanding fanbase - who should take the bulk of the blame?

Sure, Mou is not the one to play pretty football, but if you like it or not, our team is not clearly the best team in the world that can blow away all other teams with brilliant footy while at the same time maintaining a 100% winning record. In recent memory, Schuster's team was probably the most watchable and successful, and that's saying a lot. Some flexibility is a must, but we still should be able to play good footy 90% of the time and this is why Mou absolutely must go.

However, making it seem like it was him who completely failed and absolving all players of any blame is very silly. Look at his coaching record and then look at our team's record and tell me who failed more often. He'll get another job real easy, but I am worried which direction will we take. In any case, some stability is a must even though it costs us a season or two. Despite some obvious shortcomings, the core of our players is exactly the right age (Iker, Ramos, Modric, CR) or getting there (Varane, Benzema, Pipita, Ozil), but they need the right leader.

you just wrote a lot without actually writing much. do you get what i am saying?

first you start off by reducing my post as 'bullshit.' i am sorry but just because you disagree with it does not mean it is bs.

barca started the season better than us but then they started dropping a lot of points. by then, mourinho already gave up and publicly stated that he had given up on la liga. what a loser. that is why we gave up a lot of points too... but if he decided to fight and not give up like a coward we could have not dropped points while barca kept dropping points. this would have reduced the gap and we could have won la liga.

we are used to fans and management and press screwing our chances but every coach has to deal with this. mourinho simply buckled under the pressure and could not handle it. that is why he deserves to be labelled as a failure and it is fair to say that he is responsible this season.

i dont know why you are talking about his competitive record. i am talking about this season. again, you are using irrelevant data to back up your empty defense.

mourinho did not 'dethrone' the 'best team of all time.' he simply beat the same imploding team that bayern crushed 7-0, except using ultra defensive humiliating measures, and after many humiliating defeats that came one after the other, including the 0-5.

i really dont care about copa del ray. nobody does. specially when he uses all of our main players and tires them which takes away from la liga and champions league. its a fact that mourinho is a loser who jeopardized our CL and la liga chances in order to win the meaningless copa del ray.

3 semifinal CL appearances? look at his opponents. LOL. beating tottenham and apoel nicosia... the only worthy one was this year beating man utd... but even then he lost to dortmund. overall he is a failure, especially this season. he tried to act like a 'boss' and fell flat on his ass. simple as that. this eventually happens to all bigmouths who lack humility.

If you watch Madrid week in week out for the past couple of years, you would clearly know that everytime Barca slips up during crucial times (regarding difference in points between us and them), Madrid bottles it.

LIKE ALL THE TIME.

And regarding his semifinal appearances it doesn't matter who we played, but where we got.

Let's say Malaga beat Dortmund and we got to the final... would you care that we beat Malaga to get there? Of course not. So that's a flawed excuse.

sportsczy wrote:No, it's because the players at Madrid are bigger stars and have mightier reputations than Mou. They don't grovel around him. He's such a little man that he couldn't deal with that.

big stars? lool bro in that whole team what has sergio ramos won in his life to make him a bigger star than mourinho? smfh...ronaldo a star, ok fair enough but who else? ozil, benzema? di maria, sergio ramos? who the *bleep* are the stars??

bloodless wrote:

sportsczy wrote:No, it's because the players at Madrid are bigger stars and have mightier reputations than Mou. They don't grovel around him. He's such a little man that he couldn't deal with that.

big stars? lool bro in that whole team what has sergio ramos won in his life to make him a bigger star than mourinho? smfh...ronaldo a star, ok fair enough but who else? ozil, benzema? di maria, sergio ramos? who the *bleep* are the stars??

Casillas and Kaka definitely.

Error wrote:

bloodless wrote:

sportsczy wrote:No, it's because the players at Madrid are bigger stars and have mightier reputations than Mou. They don't grovel around him. He's such a little man that he couldn't deal with that.

big stars? lool bro in that whole team what has sergio ramos won in his life to make him a bigger star than mourinho? smfh...ronaldo a star, ok fair enough but who else? ozil, benzema? di maria, sergio ramos? who the *bleep* are the stars??

Casillas and Kaka definitely.

kaka is a star? oh man...seriously? lol i cant laugh