You can be blunt without being insulting and/or rude. If you can't do that, you're either an arse or stupid...

again, the buffon comments weren't rude at all. if every other international paper gets their translation wrong or takes things out of context, that's not the kaiser's fault. franzl gets very imiginative in his speeches and sometimes that does include funny comparisons, really nothing new there.

hoeness on the other hand takes a lot of shit and the recent outbreaks make me realize how awesomely quiet it was the last two years. eventhough he has some kind of affection for the HSV and praises us more than not. but in general it is somewhat annoying as he is so bad at taking blows while dishing out himself constantly.

i wouldn't necessarily say it's "classless" though, as they would have to get insulting on totally different levels. one shouldn't take it too seriously and clubs with a similar position in other leagues don't act much different. these people need their lobby and drop some propaganda every now and then

Well, your OP complains about Bayern management being "classless" by insulting Buffon with unbelievable comments.

1. KHR and Hoeness didn't make comments about Buffon.

2. Beckenbauer isn't even part of the Bayern management.

3. Beckenbauers comments weren't even rude or insulting.

What was the point of this thread again? Just a demonstration of fanboyism?

Avoiding being rude or insulting defeats the point of being blunt.

If you're bad at something a German will say you suck and a Dutchman will call you a noob.

sportsczy wrote:You can be blunt without being insulting and/or rude. If you can't do that, you're either an arse or stupid...

You can't, if people are insulted by facts.

Get over it, you sissy southerners.

This will not end well

A thread based on lies and sensationalism to incite hate never does.

But what else to expect from a forum that thinks negrito is derogatory.

VivaStPauli wrote:

sportsczy wrote:You can be blunt without being insulting and/or rude. If you can't do that, you're either an arse or stupid...

You can't, if people are insulted by facts.

Get over it, you sissy southerners.

Yeah facts. Here's a fact: Germany was bombed back into the stone ages twice in the last 100 years because of their arrogance and genocide. That's a fact. Does it bother you that I throw it in your face?

sportsczy wrote:Yeah facts. Here's a fact: Germany was bombed back into the stone ages twice in the last 100 years because of their arrogance and genocide. That's a fact. Does it bother you that I throw it in your face?

Nope. That's history and people who still cling to stuff like this in a football discussion are "Ewiggestrige" (eternal yesterday-people) who obviously have no proper arguments that pertain to the current discussion.

Bundeslegacy

VivaStPauli wrote:

tuddor wrote:
The age has affected both him and Beckenbauer..

Don't insult the Kaiser, he's still a greater man than any of us. Well, of you. I'm pretty boss. So is Zealous. And RWO isn't a man, technically. Also, there's some other cool guys. Well, okay, let's just leave it at: shut up, respect the Kaiser!

It's not an insult, it's a fact.. He's old and everybody knows he is getting crazy, that's why even Buffon didn't take him seriously.. Saying "pensioner" to someone who is half of your age ..Irony? .. It would work if you have 120 years or something..

lol, and i thought Barca and Real fans are annoying ...

You missed the point... showing class has nothing to do about stating facts or not. It's about being aware of the impact of one's actions/words and choosing to act in a dignified and appropriate manner. Bayern management, legends, etc. have absolutely zero ability to do this.

Poster here say that "sissy southerners" should accept facts and not get upset. Well here it goes: Germany is a breeding ground for extreme nationalism. They have triggered the two bloodiest wars in the history of humanity in the last 100 years. Germany not only organized one of the most gruesome systems of genocide in history... its people used the excuse of "we didn't know" as grounds for moral justification. These are all facts. Do i go around throwing it in German people's faces? Absolutely not. I have more class than that... i'm showing that my mentioning this shows a lack of sensitivity and class right now.

sportsczy wrote:Well here it goes: Germany is a breeding ground for extreme nationalism. They have triggered the two bloodiest wars in the history of humanity in the last 100 years. Germany not only organized one of the most gruesome systems of genocide in history... its people used the excuse of "we didn't know" as grounds for moral justification. These are all facts. Do i go around throwing it in German people's faces? Absolutely not. I have more class than that... i'm showing that my mentioning this shows a lack of sensitivity and class right now.

As a matter of fact, by posting this statement here you actually *did* go around, throwing it into the readers' faces, thus acting classless yourself. Classical own-goal, this.

read the last sentence lol. I said i was being intentionally classless in this statement to illustrate the difference between "stating facts" and "showing class", since people on the thread argued that stating facts is ok and doesn't show lack of class.

tuddor wrote:Saying "pensioner" to someone who is half of your age ..Irony?

Did you even read the correct translation I provided? Beckenbauer never called Gigi "pensioner" anywhere, that was just a mis-translation the international press provided. They like their sensationalist wording as it stirs people up better to sell their tabloids etc and obviously it worked really nicely.

Blaming the WW's on Germany are you 60 years old or something? If you want to try to be classless with facts try using facts next time.

sportsczy wrote:read the last sentence lol. I said i was being intentionally classless in this statement to illustrate the difference between "stating facts" and "showing class", since people on the thread argued that stating facts is ok and doesn't show lack of class.

Naw., your post was a very clever way to publish a classless statement with adding a calming down statement to claim you only wanted to show an example. Very clever attempt, but easily to see-through anyway

rwo power wrote:

tuddor wrote:Saying "pensioner" to someone who is half of your age ..Irony?

Did you even read the correct translation I provided? Beckenbauer never called Gigi "pensioner" anywhere, that was just a mis-translation the international press provided. They like their sensationalist wording as it stirs people up better to sell their tabloids etc and obviously it worked really nicely.

OK.. Anyway, i couldn't care less..

PS: Germans are honest and nice people, but they get pretty angry when they lose to chess

i don't see how some minor personal comments about a hugely respected senior goalkeeper and wars are connected in even the broadest sense. not to be politically correct, but because the relation is totally off. and people always say germans don't have any humour...

buffon just happened to fall down like a railway gate and beckenbauer gave a tongue-in-cheek comment on that. he is a pundit, that is his job.

Point perfectly made. You got offended... and that's what happens if you just go around throwing facts in people's faces without any consideration of its potential consequences.

As with Beckenbauer, throwing an appeasing statement after the fact doesn't take away from the act itself. But at least Beckenbauer tried to back down a bit... Hoeness doesn't even do that lol.

sportsczy wrote:As with Beckenbauer, throwing an appeasing statement after the fact doesn't take away from the act itself.

Again, did you actually read the correct translation of the stuff Beckenbauer said? *sighs* There was nothing untoward in it, the pensioner thing was a fabrication of the international press. As people took the mistranslation at face-value, Beckenbauer had to react to this - from his reaction (in German) it was obvious that he was very puzzled at what people made of his comment.

Sportsczy is still operating on the assumption that Beckenbauer and co. said naughty things about Buffons mother.

Considering this kind of banter happens in all leagues and at all levels of a blue-collar sport one begins to wonder about the focus on Bayern.

Actually, this is not the reason I am upset at Bayern... i've been tired of their idiotic trash talk for years. In France, Hoeness keeps talking about how PSG should not be allowed to operate, as with Chelsea and City, because it "goes against football". He said "Platini needs to forget he's French and do his job". I mean who the heck is he to make these comments? It's not just this either. He ridiculed French football a while back saying that "they needed foreign players to become a football power"... this was back several years. That really go me going.

Beckenbauer makes snide comments all the time too, although not as bad as Uli. I won't even start on Karl.

Only used the Buffont thing since it was the latest example.

Well, but especially that Buffon thing was actually a non-news as it was only created via mistranslation

Actually a lot of comments sound much harsher in English than they are in German. We have a linguistic phenomenon called "modal particles" that can't be translated 1:1, but which give the mode and intent how something is said. As they are usually only left out in a translation, the mood/mode of a sentence often gets lost when translated from German to English or other languages.

Some info on that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_modal_particle
Even better write-up: http://helikon-online.de/2012/Bross_Particles.pdf

wtf am I reading in here

Its all Buffons fault. He shouldnt have played like a pensioner

The first is based off 3 clubs exploiting loopholes to get past FFP and are responsible for inflating the football markets wage and transfer costs/prices and the biggest French superstar of the past 15 years is Algerian* so I don't get why you take comments that are sensationalised and most likely mistranslated by tabloids personally?

*For the Dutch it's pretty common to ask whether it's France or French Guinea playing. Are you saying that the entire dutch population is classless?

For further context, Football is a lower [economic] class sport for the proletariat and now some clubs have become toys of the rich? The only "privatly" owned clubs in Germany were teams that came from the factories of aforementioned owners and have a long history.