Is sitting back with a solid defense and counter attacking the most effective way to play?

by Onyx Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:47 pm

Celtic/Juve, Valencia/PSG and now Real Madrid/Man Utd.

by Die Borussen Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:48 pm

no, united was just lucky, valencia was out of ideas and celtic was just.. inferior

by urbaNRoots Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:49 pm

It's the easiest way to get a result if you are limited.

by BarrileteCosmico Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:49 pm

No, possession whoring is by far the most effective game plan. The opposing team cannot hurt you without the ball.

by Jack Daniels Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:50 pm

No... Madrid just sucks when having the ball most of the time.

by Onyx Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:51 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:No, possession whoring is by far the most effective game plan. The opposing team cannot hurt you without the ball.

And the team with the ball cannot hurt you if your defense is solid.

by cyberman Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:51 pm

Utd did more than sit back FFs

by harhar11 Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:55 pm

I have always been of that opinion.

If one player loses concentration for 1 second/makes a mistake, he will have 9 teammates just around him to help him out and once they go on the counter they will have alot of space to utilize..

by S Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:56 pm

You need to stop with this Barca obsession because normally a lot of teams that play away in the first leg tend to employ conservative tactics.

by The Franchise Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:59 pm

Man Utd barely countered. When they got chances they were not in this way.

And no. You are relying on the opponent...that is never the best way long term.

by harhar11 Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:00 pm

Surag wrote:You need to stop with this Barca obsession because normally a lot of teams that play away in the first leg tend to employ conservative tactics.

Barca obsession? He was asking if the style that is the total opposite of Barca's style is the most effective way. So how is that being obsessed with Barca?

by The Franchise Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:09 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:No, possession whoring is by far the most effective game plan. The opposing team cannot hurt you without the ball.

And the team with the ball cannot hurt you if your defense is solid.

No true.

No matter how solid you are, the other team will create a chance. Go look it up.

Even the most park the bus performances, chances were created. All those teams could do is restrict the chances and hope they dont go in.

by Onyx Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:11 pm

Chances are created, however they're either just simple shots which the GK can save or from far out. It's hard creating a good shooting chance against a team that defends really well.

by TheRedStag Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:12 pm

Spain tactics are more solid imo. If you have so much possession it limits the chances you concede to your opponent.

Even if you are solid and sit back you can concede from set pieces, from deflections etc.

by harhar11 Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:13 pm

The Franchise wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:No, possession whoring is by far the most effective game plan. The opposing team cannot hurt you without the ball.

And the team with the ball cannot hurt you if your defense is solid.

No true.

No matter how solid you are, the other team will create a chance. Go look it up.

Even the most park the bus performances, chances were created. All those teams could do is restrict the chances and hope they dont go in.

I might agree to some exact with that logic BUT to be able to make possession whoring into an effective game plan you need quality player otherwise the possession just become useless. Wasn't that Swansea's problem last season?

by Lupi Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:13 pm

its effective but hella boring

by The Franchise Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:16 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Chances are created, however they're either just simple shots which the GK can save or from far out. It's hard creating a good shooting chance against a team that defends really well.

Nope. As I said, go look it up, all those games...great chances.

Name a game, I will tell you a great chance someone should of scored.

by TheRedStag Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:18 pm

Its the easiest way to try be solid as you can do it with average players. Ala Celtic V Barca. But it is not the best. With super talented technical players possession is more solid.

by Onyx Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:20 pm

The Franchise wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:Chances are created, however they're either just simple shots which the GK can save or from far out. It's hard creating a good shooting chance against a team that defends really well.

Nope. As I said, go look it up, all those games...great chances.

Name a game, I will tell you a great chance someone should of scored.

Yeh they could have scored, but usually the team who sits back gets a good result.

by TheRedStag Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:31 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:Chances are created, however they're either just simple shots which the GK can save or from far out. It's hard creating a good shooting chance against a team that defends really well.

Nope. As I said, go look it up, all those games...great chances.

Name a game, I will tell you a great chance someone should of scored.

Yeh they could have scored, but usually the team who sits back gets a good result.

Shit talk. Every game round in every league, smaller teams tend to sit back and try defend against the stronger teams. Usually they lose.

by The Franchise Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:33 pm

Nope, usually they dont.

12, 13 , 14 La Liga teams sit back most often vs us, they usually dont get the result.

Barca been to 2 CLfinals in the space of 4 years, got better results more often than not.

People only remember the other results because they are rare.

by Onyx Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:34 pm

I'm talking more about the big games, where there's better teams.

by TheRedStag Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:35 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:I'm talking more about the big games, where there's better teams.

What you're talking is shit Very Happy

by Onyx Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:41 pm

Better teams = better defenses and big matches = different mentality imo.

by The Franchise Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:48 pm

And your still wrong.

Barca, 2 finals in 4 years..won many more big games than they lost along the way.

Dont think so short term.

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