Re: When will mourinho get the sack and will he rejoin chelsea??

by zizzle Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:59 am

THC 10 wrote:His job is to work with what he has and make the most out of his squad - you act as if he does not have a proper squad. Have you not heard of adapting? If he does not have what he needs, why not apply different tactics (I guess Mourinho is not capable of that - which says a lot to me.)

Never said money did not influence their decision, but I think you are foolish to think that ANY player, would go ANYwhere. Are you trying to tell me that players have not turned down moves before because a club was not prestigious enough? Even though loyalty is basically dead in football, that does not mean big name players would reject moves if they felt that club was a step in the wrong direction. I also cannot fault a player if they want to take extra money and attempt put a club on the map - I do not find PSG to be a good example - they are building something big and I think players recognize that.

I understand what you believe when it comes to history not counting on the pitch, but that does not mean I am capable of grasping such ignorance. You go on to say that Madrid will continue to win the league every 3 because of what you have seen the past 5-10 years. I just fail to understand your thought process, not really looking to argue. I am just saying that Madrid have been relevant for ages and either way you slice it, you will not be able to tell the future.

I cannot recall who said this (I think it was Nick), but Madrid hiring Mourinho was a shock to some - Madrid (Perez for that matter) decided to move in a direction that did not fit the clubs "identity". I mention this because it shows how the history does not always reveal what will happen in the future. Madrid have all the tools they need to win in the future (fans, prestige, money), that is why I believe your argument faulty. Clubs do not randomly succeed in the long term and while the last 5-10 years have not been up to Madrid standard, I believe they will find that "true" identity again.

Stop being so god damn sensitive. You're known as a classy poster. Stick to it and argue your points without trying to put me down. You did it in your first post and you're doing it again. I expect better from the master of the beard

But anyway, im not trying to slice Madrid's history to fit my argument. Im saying that the ancient past is irreverent on the pitch and i cant believe people are still using this against me. It's like you people need to argue and you hand pick phrases to build your arguments on. The only history we should really look at is the history that can influence what goes on the pitch, and i was really generous by saying 10 years in relevant when Madrid changed skin so many times in the last 10 years that not even 5 years pre mourinho counts. But anyway, this is my point, you dont agree thats fine.

To end the subject of history, previous success doesnt guarantee results in the future. Sure Madrid has all the foundations of success, but they had these foundations before and they still failed. Any logical person should not discard the possibility of history repeating itself. You're building your arguments on ancient history, im building it on the history ive seen. The first and last time i saw Madrid win a CL was 12 years ago. The other times ive seen them they were not that glorious.

The only thing that can guarantee success these days is money. PSG has no history and yet you agree that they have a certain amount of pull because they are building a project. Well guess what, City are building a project as well. Chelsea would have had a project if they didnt change managers every season. oh wait, that sounds familiar.

As for Mourinho, i want you to go back in this thread, read every post i made, and tell me where i said Mourinho succeeded with Madrid. Did i say that it's not entirely his fault ? hell yea ! It's not his fault that certain players have more influence in the club that he does.

by Donuts Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:59 am

DeviAngel wrote:Why is it so hard to admit that Mou is a good coach ?

btw I think he is good as short team solution for teams that need instant success ...

I do not see anyone saying he is bad or good, we are judging him based on his time with Madrid.
He is bad in some departments and he is good in other departments, there is no such thing as a perfect manager or perfect person as some fanboys like to perceive their idol as.

by Pedram Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:00 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:
Pedram wrote:He built a team based on counter attack, i assume the next coach would want to play more Spanish, less rigid and practical. that's not a drastic change ?

Say what you want but we've have been the best counter attacking team in Europe. inb4individualbrilliance
counter attack is for chumps, and what big european team have we destroyed with that tactic? yes, none.

you have lads like ozil, benz, modric, alonso, ramos, marcelo, and you are worried about keeping the ball more? lol

Yeah counter attack is for chumps because Mourinho does it, that's the reason you can't argue with a hater. destroying teams with tactic ? rofl

since when Madrid destroyed a team with "tactics", let me guess, none since the day Del Bosque left. wake up from the dream bro

by Mr Nick09 Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:08 am

Pedram wrote:
Yeah counter attack is for chumps because Mourinho does it, that's the reason you can't argue with a hater. destroying teams with tactic ? since when Madrid destroyed a team with "tactics", let me guess, none since the day Del Bosque left. wake up from the dream bro

please take off those glasses, any coach that teaches his team only to sit back and wait to counter as a consistent way of playing is a chump. counter attacking is for chumps.

there is a difference between using counters and playing for counters. every team in football can use counter attack, but when you deliberately drop your lines vs bayern in CL semis and just wait to counter, you are using a chump tactic.

by jibers Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:22 am

Agreed Nick, against every big team Mourinho's tactics have been short of embarrassing. Please, he has found a way to play Barcelona, no surprise seeing aS Madrid have played them so many times. In the cl the 3 big team Mou has faced, he has failed tactically in all of them, Barca 11, Bayern 12, Dortmund 12. How can you make ypur team back off when you are winning 2-0 @ home? In a high profile game?

Mourinho is now faving the conondrum that Pep faced after 2009 and is failing to beat teams that refuse to be drawn out to be countered. No surprise that Valencia are the only morons Madrid have looked good against, using a high line with no pressing is just suicide, and then people said Madrid are back :facepalm:

Mou is not used to facing teams that sit back over 90 minutes, he is usually the on doing that. And you guys can sit there but even the damn players complained that Mourinho has no solutions and that Madrid keep attacking through the same channels...

I guess it mus t be frustrating for Spanish players to play their expansive football under VDb and then come back to their club and play primitive football.

by Guest Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:29 am

zizzle wrote:
Stop being so god damn sensitive. You're known as a classy poster. Stick to it and argue your points without trying to put me down. You did it in your first post and you're doing it again. I expect better from the master of the beard

I cannot stop being sensitive, I was born this way :coffee:

At the end of the day, this is a forum and I do not think my words to you were classless - they might not be up to my usual high standard, but perhaps you are part of the reason behind that. Anyway, I did not see you extending much politeness, so I see no reason that you receive any from me.

zizzle wrote:
But anyway, im not trying to slice Madrid's history to fit my argument. Im saying that the ancient past is irreverent on the pitch and i cant believe people are still using this against me. It's like you people need to argue and you hand pick phrases to build your arguments on. The only history we should really look at is the history that can influence what goes on the pitch, and i was really generous by saying 10 years in relevant when Madrid changed skin so many times in the last 10 years that not even 5 years pre mourinho counts. But anyway, this is my point, you dont agree thats fine.

To end the subject of history, previous success doesnt guarantee results in the future. Sure Madrid has all the foundations of success, but they had these foundations before and they still failed. Any logical person should not discard the possibility of history repeating itself. You're building your arguments on ancient history, im building it on the history ive seen. The first and last time i saw Madrid win a CL was 12 years ago. The other times ive seen them they were not that glorious.

While I will admit I did not read every single one of your posts (something I did not claim to do and I felt I only argued against what I read from you), it seems to me that you did not read my post clearly. Funny that you accused me of the same (where have I seen this behavior before scratch

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THC 10 wrote:I understand what you believe when it comes to history not counting on the pitch, but that does not mean I am capable of grasping such ignorance. You go on to say that Madrid will continue to win the league every 3 because of what you have seen the past 5-10 years. I just fail to understand your thought process, not really looking to argue. I am just saying that Madrid have been relevant for ages and either way you slice it, you will not be able to tell the future.

Where do I claim that Madrid's past success will help them win on the pitch? I just said... [quote="THC 10] I cannot recall who said this (I think it was Nick), but Madrid hiring Mourinho was a shock to some - Madrid (Perez for that matter) decided to move in a direction that did not fit the clubs "identity". I mention this because it shows how the history does not always reveal what will happen in the future. Madrid have all the tools they need to win in the future (fans, prestige, money), that is why I believe your argument faulty. Clubs do not randomly succeed in the long term and while the last 5-10 years have not been up to Madrid standard, I believe they will find that "true" identity again. [/quote]

They have remained winners over a long period of time, that is one of the reasons I would lean toward Madrid finding success again.

zizzle wrote:The only thing that can guarantee success these days is money. PSG has no history and yet you agree that they have a certain amount of pull because they are building a project. Well guess what, City are building a project as well. Chelsea would have had a project if they didnt change managers every season. oh wait, that sounds familiar.

THC 10 wrote: I also cannot fault a player if they want to take extra money and attempt put a club on the map - I do not find PSG to be a good example - they are building something big and I think players recognize that.

I believe players are going there because of management (Ancelotti and Leonardo) and because they seem to have a plan in place - something that I do not see from City when it comes to transfers. Money alone will not get you ANY player. I also said that I understood the allure of taking the big money payday (around a footballers prime, not a transfer like Drogba or Eto'o) and trying to put a team that lacks history on the map.

zizzle wrote: As for Mourinho, i want you to go back in this thread, read every post i made, and tell me where i said Mourinho succeeded with Madrid. Did i say that it's not entirely his fault ? hell yea ! It's not his fault that certain players have more influence in the club that he does.

Are you trying to tell me that Mourinho did not have crazy pull before this past season? I do not follow them that closely, but I think the team was lost after they/he (whoever you all want to put the blame on) failed to succeed last season. We all know that Mourinho is not a long-term coach (even when he is getting the results, he seems to overstay his welcome).

I am truly sorry if I offended you (I am quite certain you have the thick skin for it) and I think I am old enough to decide what type of poster I want to be Thumbs up

by Milantildeath Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:42 am

I hear rumors that Mourinho is going to rejoin Inter and Strama is going to join Roma at the end of the season. If it is valuable source, I don't know. It's word of mouth in Milan right now.

by zizzle Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:49 am

It's not that you offended me, I've been on the internet long enough, im just surprised you are capable of being so classless. I rate some members higher than others but everyone can always be reevaluated :coffee:

If i sounded offensive to other members its because i was responding to their hostility/classlessness. You can review my first input in this thread and see how the franchise, the guy who's crying about how he expects better from the forum, started with the usual bullshit. You jumped right into the conversation and the rest is history.

Anyway we're having a pointless discussion here. I think Madrid will continue to under-perform because thats all what they did recently, and you think otherwise and im sure you have your reasons.

by DeviAngel Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:12 am

Milantildeath wrote:I hear rumors that Mourinho is going to rejoin Inter and Strama is going to join Roma at the end of the season. If it is valuable source, I don't know. It's word of mouth in Milan right now.

Mou vs Conte (v Alegri v Strama?) ? I can't wait

Is Alegri staying?

I heard that Mazzari is joining Inter... tbh Strama ain't bad manager he does the best with the current Inter team...

by windkick Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:25 am

Watching him buy a fellow Portuguese in Croentrao and have him playing RB was pretty funny. Pretty good tactic

by The Franchise Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:52 am

This notion that Madrid cant find a suitable coach and therefore shouldnt part with Mou is a joke.

Do you know how many great coaches there are? Just because we dont them as of yet to be that level dont mean they are not.

Who predicted Pep? Hardly anyone, even at Barca they expected him to fail.

Was Wenger recognised as great before Arsenal? Was Sir Alex?

Klopp got his team relegated before Dortmund.

Sacchi was in the second division and only got hired because he beat Milan in a cup game.

Michels first job was Ajax.

For all you know Hierro or someone is a world class coach, nobody knows these things.

But the assumption that Madrid wont be able to find someone is pretty silly. And again, its not like they are losing anything special anyway....see Sports post on that.

Cry hater all you, I would rather be a hater than a blind sheep.

by FennecFox7 Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:54 am

I think we should keep him for the CL.

After that however, the boot is gonna come swift and quick.

by VanDeezNuts Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:58 am

madrid would never take a risk like those teams did. im not saying its a bad idea its just not a realistic move madrid would take in the current climate and under the current president.

and really, the list of suitable managers atm are not many. at least ones that we havent already had.

by CBarca Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:05 am

IMO it would be tough for someone to come in and do considerably worse than Mou has.

I'm not saying he's been bad. But he hasn't been good. I'm sure Pellegrini could have done the same had he not been sacked tbh

by FennecFox7 Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:09 am

I wish we kept pellegrini. He didn't even have full control of the team like mou has. His attitude is also very good, he would not have tarnished madrids image like mou did..

by The Franchise Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:12 am

vanDEEZ wrote:madrid would never take a risk like those teams did. im not saying its a bad idea its just not a realistic move madrid would take in the current climate and under the current president.

and really, the list of suitable managers atm are not many. at least ones that we havent already had.

And I dont expect you to, I am merely saying it would bpretty naive to believe you cant find a coach to give you the success Mou has (it hasnt been that much is my point) plus not acting a fool and playing better football.

by jibers Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:12 am

Been saying this for a while, I am a big advocate and supporter of Pepe Mel. He is a similar type of coach to VDB, I hope Flo loses the elections. That is why I am praying we rip RM a new arsehole. If we do Flo will fail the elections. Pepe Mel plays far better football and is an ex cantera player and understands the values of Real Madrid as a club, something MOu does not have a clue about. He has picked a fight with everybody...

by jibers Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:12 am

Giggity5313 wrote:I wish we kept pellegrini. He didn't even have full control of the team like mou has. His attitude is also very good, he would not have tarnished madrids image like mou did..

A long list of failures that has happened under Uncle Flo.

by Mr Nick09 Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:15 am

Perez is not losing the elections. I told you, if anything now, Perez llok like the good lad president that trusted a coach who betrayed him by pissing over everyone. there is my man Eugenio Martinez that can be candidate bu i doubt he will win. i will scan all the madrid medias to see who the rising candidates are over the next few months.

by jibers Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:18 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:Perez is not losing the elections. I told you, if anything now, Perez llok like the good lad president that trusted a coach who betrayed him by pissing over everyone. there is my man Eugenio Martinez that can be candidate bu i doubt he will win. i will scan all the madrid medias to see who the rising candidates are over the next few months.

Then another decade of darkness awaits Madrid...

by FennecFox7 Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:20 am

I used to like mou, really. But mou is for instant success. He has a lot of negative sides to him. What kind of football do we play with this team ffs? Tactical dumbass

by chad4401 Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:28 am

the main problem i have with mou is the lack of tactics, i mean 3 yrs in spain and a manager of his level couldn't adopt some concepts that other la liga teams do with ease, we can't string 5 passes together to save our lives most games, we just lucked out that we have very talented players

by Mr Nick09 Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:40 am

The Ostracised One wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:Perez is not losing the elections. I told you, if anything now, Perez llok like the good lad president that trusted a coach who betrayed him by pissing over everyone. there is my man Eugenio Martinez that can be candidate bu i doubt he will win. i will scan all the madrid medias to see who the rising candidates are over the next few months.

Then another decade of darkness awaits Madrid...

the biggest rumor i heard is that Hierro is in talks with a group of people that want to oppose florez. they would want to push forward a ticket with Hierro as the top man (not president) along with former madrid players.

by Gil Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:10 am

Love Madrid so much. Figo, Cambiasso, Robben, Sneijder, Eto'o, Del Bosque, Makelele, Pellegrini etc etc Proud

They all make Madrid regret it later on! Save us Mou. :bow:

by Zealous Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:10 am

CBarca wrote:IMO it would be tough for someone to come in and do considerably worse than Mou has.

I'm not saying he's been bad. But he hasn't been good. I'm sure Pellegrini could have done the same had he not been sacked tbh

LMAO

DOUBLE LMAO

by Zealous Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:12 am

Gil wrote:Love Madrid so much. Figo, Cambiasso, Robben, Sneijder, Eto'o, Del Bosque, Makelele, Pellegrini etc etc

They all make Madrid regret it later on! Save us Mou.

Why don't you go regret jumping on the wrong bandwagon. #plastic #trolololol #UMirin' #Comeatmebruh

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