Zealous wrote:

The Franchise wrote:And Makelele the "slave"?

Now that's just racist

Mou's words not mine. Makelele was very angry with him over that, he might of got over it now I dont know, but not everyone falls under Mourinho's spell.

There are only two players with huge egos who have probably fallen out with Mourinho, the rest of the squad are solidly behind him, and are willing to give their all for the team. Mourinho wants to win things for Real Madrid, and as such if any player who thinks he can't give his all will have a warm seat on the bench waiting for him.

With the likes of Diego Lopez and Varane on the fringes, any player who plays soft for Real Madrid to lose to get the coach sacked would be out of the team in no time, whether they're Spanish or Martians.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Zealous wrote:

Yeah which is why I'm sort of holding on to the "mou should stay" thread for now. I'm not really sure who should come in to take Madrid into arguably it's most important phase. With spectres like Benitez on the horizon you can see why it would suck for us to drop the ball when we've finally had some stability.

Guys like Laudrup have been tipped for the job but mostly it's agreed upon that whoever succeeds Jose will have to be much more subdued.

Oh and the Del Bosque ship has sailed long ago. Although I would love one last run from him.

the real problem is that we lack leadership at the top. what is great with mou is that he doesnt need that, he can do it all alone, and perez liked that because he had no tough decision to make. We are gonna be back with a sporting director next year as long as we dont hire a tyran like benitez. it's what i am worried about, that leaderhsip that allows the manager to work in the proper condition. I hope for perez he is kissing Hierro's ass as we speak.

and i think madrid is more than ready for a club with long term project this time around.

Man I would feel a lot safer about all this if Hierro was sporting director.

The Franchise wrote:

Zealous wrote:

The Franchise wrote:And Makelele the "slave"?

Now that's just racist

Mou's words not mine. Makelele was very angry with him over that, he might of got over it now I dont know, but not everyone falls under Mourinho's spell.

Well yeah Maka wasn't crazy about Jose although I don't think he flat out hates him. However it's impossible to have EVERYONE like you, especially when you're a polarizing guy like Jose. The thing is Jose is more often than not a winner and people around him who don't like him just have to put up with it.

buddytaller wrote:There are only two players with huge egos who have probably fallen out with Mourinho, the rest of the squad are solidly behind him, and are willing to give their all for the team. Mourinho wants to win things for Real Madrid, and as such if any player who thinks he can't give his all will have a warm seat on the bench waiting for him.

With the likes of Diego Lopez and Varane on the fringes, any player who plays soft for Real Madrid to lose to get the coach sacked would be out of the team in no time, whether they're Spanish or Martians.

this discussion of who likes him and who doesnt is pointless. there is fracture with the locker room, just look at the pathetic liga campaign we are having. A league is based off conitnuity and day to day work. It's not working for us overall so we suck in the league. in cups however, do or die games, it's pretty easy to put everyone on the same page. what is happening in la liga tells you that problems go far beyond Xs and Os.

Zealous wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Zealous wrote:

Yeah which is why I'm sort of holding on to the "mou should stay" thread for now. I'm not really sure who should come in to take Madrid into arguably it's most important phase. With spectres like Benitez on the horizon you can see why it would suck for us to drop the ball when we've finally had some stability.

Guys like Laudrup have been tipped for the job but mostly it's agreed upon that whoever succeeds Jose will have to be much more subdued.

Oh and the Del Bosque ship has sailed long ago. Although I would love one last run from him.

the real problem is that we lack leadership at the top. what is great with mou is that he doesnt need that, he can do it all alone, and perez liked that because he had no tough decision to make. We are gonna be back with a sporting director next year as long as we dont hire a tyran like benitez. it's what i am worried about, that leaderhsip that allows the manager to work in the proper condition. I hope for perez he is kissing Hierro's ass as we speak.

and i think madrid is more than ready for a club with long term project this time around.

Man I would feel a lot safer about all this if Hierro was sporting director.

exactly, someone need to put order at the top. Perez has proven that he is disastrous with all the powers in his hands. and the nicest thing mou did for madrid was making sure we were all driving on the same boat albeit on a short period. that's what we need first and foremost. give me a ticket of hierro and Pepe mel and i take it blindfolded.

It doesn't help that Barca have been on a ridiculous run either. They deserve credit for making it difficult as well.

Our slow start to the league has many reasons and none are really locker room related. Our players had the most minutes at the Euros, Bayern were second and it wasn't even close. Our pre-season was uber meh as a result and when the league came in we weren't really in a good position to do well. We then had a tough CL group which only complicated things for us. From a football stand point it makes sense why we're in such a position.

Real Madrid won the league with the most points won and most goals scored ever in the history of Spanish football, what went wrong in 2 or 3 month... Like I said to put all the blame Mourinho for the league form is reckless. The only division I see in the Real Madrid dressing room is Ramos, Casillas and Mourinho + rest of squad.

Casillas, Ozil, Di Maria, Alonso, Arbeloa, Modric, Benzema, Higuain and almost all the squad with the exception of Ronaldo have failed to replicate the forms from the previous seasons. But if the clasicos are anything to go by, the team is gradually finding it's rhythm and is more than ready to win trophies.

buddytaller wrote:Real Madrid won the league with the most points won and most goals scored ever in the history of Spanish football, what went wrong in 2 or 3 month... Like I said to put all the blame Mourinho for the league form is reckless. The only division I see in the Real Madrid dressing room is Ramos, Casillas and Mourinho + rest of squad.

Casillas, Ozil, Di Maria, Alonso, Arbeloa, Modric, Benzema, Higuain and almost all the squad with the exception of Ronaldo have failed to replicate the forms from the previous seasons. But if the clasicos are anything to go by, the team is gradually finding it's rhythm and is more than ready to win trophies.

we won the league, full stop. all that record crap means jack. a win is a win.

you dont think players struggling to regain form has to do with how they are coached? how do you expect benzema and higuain to consistently perform when they play every other week? they did it once miraculously, but it cant work like that over time. do you see falcao or Rvp rotating? no.
alonso has been going down for a while now and we arent trying to replace him. arbeloa the same, getting crapper every week, but we brought him no competition. Ozil has no roadmap tactically speaking so no surprise he struggles more than he should. modric is no supersub and an armchair coach like me could tell you that. you dont sign a player with 0 direction as to where he will play. he is not a specialist like callejon, cant have the same impact. casillas was crap, that i agree. as a coach mou should have seen that coming. but no, it's better to sign a crackhead for 30m at LB when you have a young rising star at LB already. mou's failings.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

buddytaller wrote:Real Madrid won the league with the most points won and most goals scored ever in the history of Spanish football, what went wrong in 2 or 3 month... Like I said to put all the blame Mourinho for the league form is reckless. The only division I see in the Real Madrid dressing room is Ramos, Casillas and Mourinho + rest of squad.

Casillas, Ozil, Di Maria, Alonso, Arbeloa, Modric, Benzema, Higuain and almost all the squad with the exception of Ronaldo have failed to replicate the forms from the previous seasons. But if the clasicos are anything to go by, the team is gradually finding it's rhythm and is more than ready to win trophies.

we won the league, full stop. all that record crap means jack. a win is a win.

I respectfully disagree

Zealous, the way he is presenting the argument, he makes it sound like we dominated footy for 2 years and then it went a "little" wrong. forgive me, but we are in a mess, on the pitch and off it. In 3 years at the club i am failing to see the progression of a sporting project going its courses. And i say it again, it's not so much that something went wrong, it's the way it went wrong, and what's actually happening. If mou was unfairly attacked and our players were failing him, i would be his hardest defender here. I just dont believe that to be the case. i am tough, but i am fair. when he was attacked in his first year, hell i defended him. he is not a little angel being attacked by big bad men

Ferguson rotates his squad more than any other manager in England. The reason why Van Persie plays week in week out and the other strikers (Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez) share minutes is that, unlike Higuain and Benzema, Van Persie is actually consistent in his performances.

Modric is in his first season and is clearly struggling for form, it wouldn't be wise to start him in every match and risk dropping points. He's being slowly integrated into the team.

It shocks me, what you say about Ozil, it appears you don't watch a lot of Real Madrid's match, he's been top assist maker in la liga for his stay at Real Madrid for a reason.

Marcelo was the only LB Real Madrid had, Mourinho didn't want to play Arbeloa at LB and Coentrao was the most sought after LB in Europe, Bayern and Chelsea were willing to pay at least 25 million for him. Real Madrid only agreed the deal because 50% of Garay was sold to Benfica for 5.5 million. With Garay possibly making a big money move to United over the summer, the deal could essentially be about 18 million or less plus Garay.

van persie is consistent because he plays every game. he builds form, chain games, scores, it creates momentum, and his confidence is off the chain. Same with cavani scoring like a monster. same with falcao, same with ronaldo, messi, or gomez when he scored 49. you dont rotate your star striker every other week, it kills his momentum.

if ozil was being integrated in the team, he would have played with khedira a lot more than he has so far, or with ozil. anyway, i hope we give him a shot because we dont have much choice either lol, Alonso is near done, we need a playmaking CM.

Ozil being best assister has nothing to do with what i am saying. he is top assister because he takes set pieces like a champ, and when you pass the ball in the final third to ronaldo, he is gonna score lol. but no seriously, my argument is that when the variables around ozil change too much, he ain the same, not to mention that our style of play doesnt fully utilize is potentia in my opinion.

if you want a back up LB, you buy some one like Siqueira. not another up and coming star LB although marcelo needed competition. but 30 millions spend for that? lol no. we didnt get better. bring me garay's name when we actually sell him lol, man u aint paying 18 millions for him. and it's not about the money, it's about the message you send to your up and coming star player.

Mr Nick09 wrote:Zealous, the way he is presenting the argument, he makes it sound like we dominated footy for 2 years and then it went a "little" wrong. forgive me, but we are in a mess, on the pitch and off it. In 3 years at the club i am failing to see the progression of a sporting project going its courses. And i say it again, it's not so much that something went wrong, it's the way it went wrong, and what's actually happening. If mou was unfairly attacked and our players were failing him, i would be his hardest defender here. I just dont believe that to be the case. i am tough, but i am fair. when he was attacked in his first year, hell i defended him. he is not a little angel being attacked by big bad men

Usually the truth is somewhere in between.

As for this team it was built to win the CL last year, sadly we didn't but the club felt that this squad deserved another shot at the CL this year. No much to discuss really, we are going to change things in the summer regardless of what happens so I suggest that we just relax and enjoy the ride.

buddytaller wrote:Real Madrid won the league with the most points won and most goals scored ever in the history of Spanish football, what went wrong in 2 or 3 month... Like I said to put all the blame Mourinho for the league form is reckless. The only division I see in the Real Madrid dressing room is Ramos, Casillas and Mourinho + rest of squad.

Casillas, Ozil, Di Maria, Alonso, Arbeloa, Modric, Benzema, Higuain and almost all the squad with the exception of Ronaldo have failed to replicate the forms from the previous seasons. But if the clasicos are anything to go by, the team is gradually finding it's rhythm and is more than ready to win trophies.

Dude, I don't know why you're choosing what news to believe and what news to ignore but your posts are totally one sided.

You seem to want to put this disasterous season in La Liga on Casillas and Ramos. That is just not right.

If you look at the history of sports when the President comes out and gives someone a vote of confidence 95% of the time it's because there are major negative issues going on at the club and they usually fire them the next time a huge incident happens or at the end of the season if it will save them a lot of money.

You seem to think it was a positive thing when Perez came out and gave him the vote of confidence. I mean there is a reason it's called, "The Dreaded Vote of Confidence."

Also, no football locker room splits because of 2 players. You can keep believing it's Ramos and Casillas VS Mou and the rest of the team but that's not the case what so ever. And believe me the locker room is split.

You seem to think everything just smells like roses at Madrid and if Mou wins a copa del rey everything will be alright. And that the brass is just fine with La Liga being over before it even started losing to teams they should be destroying.

From your comments I don't think you know the history of Madrid very well. Mou hasn't won enough to weather a bad season and with the team playing like they are, there not just going to go win The Champions League. That is really far fetched.

Mou has already been given more rope then any manager I can remember at Madrid. This bad season will be the end of him. And it will not have been Iker Casillas' fault no matter how much you want it to be.

Am I the only one who believes if Madrid wins UEFA they will be worse off next season keeping Mourinho and showing the players that it's okay to play lazy and unmotivated?

Rotating Benzema and Higuain isn't the problem, they're both inconsistent starting one of them and making him playing the full 90 minutes isn't going to magically transform the player. On the subject of rotation a similar thing is done at Barcelona Messi plays all the time and the other forwards (Villa, Pedro and Sanchez) share minutes.

Reading some of the posts, you'd think Mourinho is to blame for droughts in Africa and earthquakes in Japan. The bottom line is the team has underperfomed in the league for many reasons, the manager isn't entirely blameless but in Mourinho, Real Madrid has a manager who can turn this season around. His track record speaks for itself.

There was little calm in Real Madrid before Mourinho and there would be little after he's gone. Most fans wouldn't trade winning trophies for being calmly knocked out of the second round of the Champions League, the Copa Del Rey and being calmly beaten by Barcelona.

Real Madrid has always been about instant results, that is why despite being barely 3 years into the job, Mourinho has coached only less matches for Real Madrid than 3 previous managers in the history of the club. He's also the longest serving manager currently coaching in la liga.

Donuts wrote:Am I the only one who believes if Madrid wins UEFA they will be worse off next season keeping Mourinho and showing the players that it's okay to play lazy and unmotivated?

lol wut?

dont you see how bad we r doing in the leauge? dont you see what the media r saying? its all mou, he's lost the locker room, sack him

nick

No way he wants to return seeing our current situation and no way that Abramovich would hire him back imo

your current situation is the one that could lure him back

savior

I'm no Mou defender but i truly believe it's wrong to put all the blames on Mou's shoulders. it's not like the players have been doing their job so well.

Players are the responsibility of the coach, it has been that way forever.

The coach must be the first to take responsibility, that is part of his role.

Its a collective effort when things go good or bad, so no, its not just Mourinho's fault, but again, the coach cant be the boss when it suits him...he is that when its good and bad, so now its bad, its on him.

The Franchise wrote:Players are the responsibility of the coach, it has been that way forever.

The coach must be the first to take responsibility, that is part of his role.

Its a collective effort when things go good or bad, so no, its not just Mourinho's fault, but again, the coach cant be the boss when it suits him...he is that when its good and bad, so now its bad, its on him.

How it it Mourinho's fault if Benz misses tap ins ?

Benz missing tap in's isnt why you are 3rd. I think you know this.

And why are Real Madrid 3rd? Blame it all on Mourinho ... he's everything that is wrong with Real Madrid.