Blue wrote:I like both players; I feel I am being very objective regarding Kante and Jorginho. Both were nowhere their best under Lampard. Both were exceptional under Tuchel, slight advantage Kante because of his Final performance, Jorginho had numerous MOTM performances in the UCL. I don’t think Kante was very good in the Euros, mainly he benefits from playing next to a holding midfielder. Considering club and country I think Jorginho had a better year.

I do think Kante is the better player when judging both players from a career perspective even though they are different.

I think Jorginho is an essential player for the biggest winners in 2021 for club and country.

Look I only saw Chelsea about 2-5 times last year but I feel this is a shit opinion. Delete it.

Due to a football opinion there must be something abnormal going on with me and/or I should delete my opinion. Such normal and healthy behaviors going on here.

just to be clear Blue, my comment was because of a few posts you've made over the past few months across different threads/range of topics on this forum

Blue wrote:Due to a football opinion there must be something abnormal going on with me and/or I should delete my opinion. Such normal and healthy behaviors going on here.

Lol he is just saying it ironically. Like he saw Jorginho only 2 times last season compared to you who saw every game.

Why negative comments on what  Blue said ?
I agree with him 100%, very good post honestly. I like him also as poster

Anyway this would have been clearly the year for a City player, no one would have doubted on winner if City won the final as favorite .. but they 've created this " mess" ,losing it

Now I think Messi, I'd vote him , at the end not just winner  (the reason though ) he even  carried alone Argentina till to the final .. ok legit but meh , he didn't make a season worthy of Balon d' Or tbf . . His victory would be  the result of a season a bit weird when no single player dominated . Last year we had a player that made a Balon D'Or season ..

Yea no single player dominated but it makes sense to have a winner from CL winner and Euro winner. If Juve had won the scudetto i would have said Chiellini should get it.

But give it ter messi till ender da season

RealGunner wrote:

Blue wrote:Due to a football opinion there must be something abnormal going on with me and/or I should delete my opinion. Such normal and healthy behaviors going on here.

Lol he is just saying it ironically. Like he saw Jorginho only 2 times last season compared to you who saw every game.

Haha I see, my bad.

If Kante and France won the Euros, and very good tournament I would have said he should win the award. I am not saying Jorginho should win, but I do hope he is a finalist. I don’t know how you can compare Messi, KDB, Lewandoski to a deep lying midfielder.

Going to probably be between Messi, Debryune and Kante. Jorginho another good shout

Robespierre wrote:Now I think Messi, I'd vote him , at the end not just winner  (the reason though ) he even  carried alone Argentina till to the final .. ok legit but meh , he didn't make a season worthy of Balon d' Or tbf . . His victory would be  the result of a season a bit weird when no single player dominated . Last year we had a player that made a Balon D'Or season ..

Lewandowski? He did nothing in CL-final, most overblown hype job in recent memory. I only watched one game from him though.

FennecFox7 wrote:Going to probably be between Messi, Debryune and Kante. Jorginho another good shout

Dude it's Messi's by default after "finally winning with Argentina" hype. But on top of that, the fact that nobody was even close of him performance wise, makes this probably the most clear Ballon d'Or in its history. And the betting odds reflect that.

Harmonica wrote:

Robespierre wrote:Now I think Messi, I'd vote him , at the end not just winner  (the reason though ) he even  carried alone Argentina till to the final .. ok legit but meh , he didn't make a season worthy of Balon d' Or tbf . . His victory would be  the result of a season a bit weird when no single player dominated . Last year we had a player that made a Balon D'Or season ..

Lewandowski? He did nothing in CL-final, most overblown hype job in recent memory. I only watched one game from him though.

You say that but then I cant remember Messi making a difference in a decisive big game in a looooong time. Perhaps it was one of the embarrassing games Vs Roma, Liverpool or Bayern where he stood with his head down, possibly puking? Or the clasicos in which he hasnt scored in years probably.

The fact that you watch spreadsheets instead of games says it all though

Myesyats wrote:

Harmonica wrote:

Robespierre wrote:Now I think Messi, I'd vote him , at the end not just winner  (the reason though ) he even  carried alone Argentina till to the final .. ok legit but meh , he didn't make a season worthy of Balon d' Or tbf . . His victory would be  the result of a season a bit weird when no single player dominated . Last year we had a player that made a Balon D'Or season ..

Lewandowski? He did nothing in CL-final, most overblown hype job in recent memory. I only watched one game from him though.

You say that but then I cant remember Messi making a difference in a decisive big game in a looooong time. Perhaps it was one of the embarrassing games Vs Roma, Liverpool or Bayern where he stood with his head down, possibly puking? Or the clasicos in which he hasnt scored in years probably.

The fact that you watch spreadsheets instead of games says it all though

Obviously I just used the forum method of evaluation, one game only.  

Messi pwned Liverpool, so I don't know what you're talking about. It's just the rest of the team being hilarious.

Harmonica wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:Going to probably be between Messi, Debryune and Kante. Jorginho another good shout

Dude it's Messi's by default after "finally winning with Argentina" hype. But on top of that, the fact that nobody was even close of him performance wise, makes this probably the most clear Ballon d'Or in its history. And the betting odds reflect that.

Don’t agree. Messi is fantastic but his level has dropped with age, just like CR. His off the ball movement and work rate is a huge liability. His individual quality is unquestionable but football in 2021 is much more then that. He has an extremely high turnover rate as well.. which makes him require a supporting cast with athletes and work rate.

After thinking it through I do believe Jorginho deserves a serious shout. He has been immense at the turn of the new year. He is immaculate under pressure, can handle the pace of modern football despite not being an incredible athlete and dominates the midfield when he plays. I think he is underrated because he had a slow start and I was the first one to shit talk him back then. But he has improved every year and this year you can tell he’s put in work in his defensive capabilities and physique. Led his teams to CL and Euro wins. Unfortunately people wank over goals and end product and think attackers are somehow more talented then midfielders or defenders.. so probably gonna be a messi win.

Jorginho didn't "lead" shit, im sorry, pls stop it. A week ago nobody even mentioned him and now all of a sudden he is a Balon d'or contender after missing his spot-kick in the final?

he's a nice and contributing player to his teams' successes this year, let's leave at that and stop overexaggerating

FennecFox7 wrote:

Harmonica wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:Going to probably be between Messi, Debryune and Kante. Jorginho another good shout

Dude it's Messi's by default after "finally winning with Argentina" hype. But on top of that, the fact that nobody was even close of him performance wise, makes this probably the most clear Ballon d'Or in its history. And the betting odds reflect that.

Don’t agree. Messi is fantastic but his level has dropped with age, just like CR. His off the ball movement and work rate is a huge liability. His individual quality is unquestionable but football in 2021 is much more then that. He has an extremely high turnover rate as well.. which makes him require a supporting cast with athletes and work rate.

After thinking it through I do believe Jorginho deserves a serious shout. He has been immense at the turn of the new year. He is immaculate under pressure, can handle the pace of modern football despite not being an incredible athlete and dominates the midfield when he plays. I think he is underrated because he had a slow start and I was the first one to shit talk him back then. But he has improved every year and this year you can tell he’s put in work in his defensive capabilities and physique. Led his teams to CL and Euro wins. Unfortunately people wank over goals and end product and think attackers are somehow more talented then midfielders or defenders.. so probably gonna be a messi win.

Wat? The best player in the world huge liability? Last season Messi led top5 league and cl with biggest performance margin (whoscored) ever I think, Lewandowski being far behind second. And Messi's copa was one of the most legendary nt-performance's, ever. Ballon d'Or has never been given from off the ball movement or something mundane like that. Otherwise Pedro's would've few.

The fact that some posters truly believe somebody like Jorginho being best performance the past year, makes me understand flat earthers, philosophically.

FennecFox7 wrote:

Harmonica wrote:

FennecFox7 wrote:Going to probably be between Messi, Debryune and Kante. Jorginho another good shout

Dude it's Messi's by default after "finally winning with Argentina" hype. But on top of that, the fact that nobody was even close of him performance wise, makes this probably the most clear Ballon d'Or in its history. And the betting odds reflect that.

Don’t agree. Messi is fantastic but his level has dropped with age, just like CR. His off the ball movement and work rate is a huge liability. His individual quality is unquestionable but football in 2021 is much more then that. He has an extremely high turnover rate as well.. which makes him require a supporting cast with athletes and work rate.

After thinking it through I do believe Jorginho deserves a serious shout. He has been immense at the turn of the new year. He is immaculate under pressure, can handle the pace of modern football despite not being an incredible athlete and dominates the midfield when he plays. I think he is underrated because he had a slow start and I was the first one to shit talk him back then. But he has improved every year and this year you can tell he’s put in work in his defensive capabilities and physique. Led his teams to CL and Euro wins. Unfortunately people wank over goals and end product and think attackers are somehow more talented then midfielders or defenders.. so probably gonna be a messi win.

He is brilliant. Its usually annoying when people praise such subtle players almost to heighten their image of understanding football but the work he does in the midfield is incredible. His constant communication and chatter along with the correct accumulation of passes just in the needed direction adds up to a lot in the midfield play and he was the best Ive ever seen him at the Euros and it was capped off by the rear trident made by him, Cheillini and Bonucci.


Clearly thrives under freedom that Mancini gave him.

It's not Fifa Ballon d'or anymore.

AC Milan fans rejoicing that Kjaer is on the ballon dor shortlist along with Dollarumma

Perucho21 wrote:AC Milan fans rejoicing that Kjaer is on the ballon dor shortlist along with Dollarumma

Where is the dude you spent 120 million on? On Burger King's Customer D Or shortlist?

M99 wrote:

Perucho21 wrote:AC Milan fans rejoicing that Kjaer is on the ballon dor shortlist along with Dollarumma

Where is the dude you spent 120 million on? On Burger King's Customer D Or shortlist?

lmaoooooo

Supposed leak of the 2021 result

1- Robert Lewandowski (627 votos)
2- Lionel Messi
3- Karim Benzema (526 votos)
4 - Mohamed Salah (412 votos)
5- Jorginho (197 votos)
6- Kylian Mbappé (136)
7- N'golo Kanté (97 votos)
8- Erling Haaland (78 votos)
9- Cristiano Ronaldo
10- Kevin De Bruyne (41 votos)
11- Gianluigui Donnarumma
12- Luka Modric (33 votos)
13- Giorgio Chiellini (25 votos)
14- Harry Kane (14 votos)
15- Bruno Fernandes (14 votos)
16- Ruben Dias (13 votos)
17- Romelu Lukaku (13 votos)
18- Pedri (11 votos)
19- Neymar (11 votos)
20- Riyad Mahrez (9 votos)
21- Raheem Sterling (8 votos)
22- Lautaro Martínez (8 votos)
23- Phil Foden (8 votos)
24- Mason Mount (6 votos)
25- César Azpilicueta (5 votos)
26- Nicolo Barella 

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Supposed leak of the 2021 result

1- Robert Lewandowski (627 votos)
2- Lionel Messi
3- Karim Benzema (526 votos)
4 - Mohamed Salah (412 votos)
5- Jorginho (197 votos)
6- Kylian Mbappé (136)
7- N'golo Kanté (97 votos)
8- Erling Haaland (78 votos)
9- Cristiano Ronaldo
10- Kevin De Bruyne (41 votos)
11- Gianluigui Donnarumma
12- Luka Modric (33 votos)
13- Giorgio Chiellini (25 votos)
14- Harry Kane (14 votos)
15- Bruno Fernandes (14 votos)
16- Ruben Dias (13 votos)
17- Romelu Lukaku (13 votos)
18- Pedri (11 votos)
19- Neymar (11 votos)
20- Riyad Mahrez (9 votos)
21- Raheem Sterling (8 votos)
22- Lautaro Martínez (8 votos)
23- Phil Foden (8 votos)
24- Mason Mount (6 votos)
25- César Azpilicueta (5 votos)
26- Nicolo Barella 

Big if true

Spoiler:

where's the count for GOATssi and Crynaldo?