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Post by Gil Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:12 pm

Zealous wrote:Mad Mad Mad

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Post by Lord Hades Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:15 pm

Gil wrote:
Lord Hades wrote:rampant marketing and brainwashing of majority of the asian population where its very hard to be a fan of clubs from other leagues.

Aren't Madrid the most popular club in Asia?

i wish lol..

certainly not in the subcontinent , east and south east asia.
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Post by Zealous Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:18 pm

So you're saying it wasn't marketing that made it what it was?

It started at a local level, they made the PL a big deal when SKY first bought the rights, they built excitement which meant fans were willing to fill the stadiums. They made the timings at watch-able hours for the rest of the world. That lead to money and better players which in turn led to better results domestically and abroad. Slowly but surely it became more and more popular as well as more willing to accept foreign investors who wanted a slice of this growing pie.

Good marketing can make anything popular provided it's decent which the PL is. But don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining by saying that the football itself is what attracted people Laughing
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Post by Abramovich Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:28 pm

#1 It is not corrupt i.e. the betting if you bet in Serie A well you never know, liga is mehdrid or Barca with ridiculously low odds to gain a significant profit.

#2 End to end fast pace football, its exciting in most games no two ways about it, sure sometimes its not the best but it has excitement.

#3 Good competition.

#4 Less racism & more multicultural teams.
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Post by Art Morte Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:34 pm

English language and what comes with it. Like, look at our awesome GoalLegacy forum. I wouldn't be here if this wasn't in English and I wouldn't follow a league if I couldn't read 90% of what's reported about it in the media.

Also that the BPL has the most money so you're bound to have a lot of good players there and they seized the global TV coverage opportunity very well, too. You can now watch games on the Internet as much as you like, but for the most part of the 90's you watched what was on the telly.
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Post by Highburied Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:35 pm

free_cat wrote:British Empire and english language.


This is the main reason why the EPL is so popular.

:facepalm:

My facepalm button is coming to the end because I had to over use it today.

British Empire??

Oh yeah, they gave money to 'certain' top clubs in order to compete in the Champions League.

English Language??

My last :facepalm: .

I didnt know that viewers can actually hear the dialogue in football matches.

I wonder if they actually have a script for each player??

The most common words used in football matches are: F** this and that, What for?? etc.

Oh, you meant commentators...

As far as I know, EPL can be watched in multiple languages?

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Post by Abramovich Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:37 pm

Isn't the Spanish language just as popular as English anyways?
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Post by Zealous Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:40 pm

I don't get the language argument lol. You guys do know that most matches are commentated on in more than one language right?
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Post by Jack Daniels Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:10 pm

Gil wrote:Aren't Madrid the most popular club in Asia?
Man Utd here in South East Asia.
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Post by The Franchise Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:21 pm

The PL is sort of like Manny Pacquiao.

Incredibly fast and energetic and while it never will be the most technical nor have the best tactics, its hugely entertaining and open.



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Post by Lord Hades Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:24 pm

united bandwagon is strong in south asia as well, every second football follower is on the red devil bandwagon and most dont even know their first 11.

they managed to push the barca- moscow game telecast to some stupid channel so that ten action could show united- gala via massive twitter fest. that support
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Post by Art Morte Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:28 pm

The language thing isn't about understanding what the players are saying on the pitch (Highburied) or what language the commentating is (Zealous), it's about being able to follow what the media writes and broadcasts about the league.

Edit. Also about being able to talk about it in English with other football fans around the world.
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Post by Highburied Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:39 pm

Art Morte wrote:The language thing isn't about understanding what the players are saying on the pitch (Highburied) or what language the commentating is (Zealous), it's about being able to follow what the media writes and broadcasts about the league.

Edit. Also about being able to talk about it in English with other football fans around the world.

I get what you are trying to say.

The influence of english speaking media is bigger than the spanish or german one.

Am I correct??

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Post by free_cat Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:41 pm

highburied wrote:
free_cat wrote:British Empire and english language.


This is the main reason why the EPL is so popular.

:facepalm:

My facepalm button is coming to the end because I had to over use it today.

British Empire??

Oh yeah, they gave money to 'certain' top clubs in order to compete in the Champions League.

English Language??

My last :facepalm: .

I didnt know that viewers can actually hear the dialogue in football matches.

I wonder if they actually have a script for each player??

The most common words used in football matches are: F** this and that, What for?? etc.

Oh, you meant commentators...

As far as I know, EPL can be watched in multiple languages?


What's that stupid sentence I bolded supposed to mean?

The PL it's obviously the most popular in the world because the British Empire. Where is the PL the most popular league? In India, Australia, the united States of America, the escandinavian counrties and some other asian countries. Most of this countries were part of the British Empire except the escandinavian countries (very strong relationship with england) and other Asian countries (although in many of those countries England hand commercial bases like Hong Kong).

This is the reason why the EPl is the most popular in this countries. When they turned to watch football, it was just natural for them to go and watch football from the country they have the most ties and which they understand the language of the players, the pundits, the media, etc.

The funny thing is why didn't england expand football to their colonies and only other sports like cricket, rugby, etc? That's a really good question.

Spanish is an important language and where Spanish is spoken, La Liga is definitely the most foreign league viewed (all South and Central America), but differently thatn the ex-British Empire countries, in these countries there are strong national leagues, and the fans already follow them, but as their second choice, they mostly follow La liga.
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Post by Highburied Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:57 pm

British Empire is older than Premier League (since 92).

Why they didnt influence before that?

My question is primarily since 92 to date.

Why EPL has risen so much during the past years?

British Empire lol...

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Post by Chumlum Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:06 pm

I don't think language (and by some extension, the legacy of empire) is the primary reason for EPL's popularity, but I do think it is a strong reinforcement. The global reach of English and Spanish helps make EPL & La Liga more accessible. Of course there are commentaries on these leagues in other languages, and you can find commentaries in English, Spanish, Arabic, etc., of Ligue 1, Serie A, and so on. But in this period of TV rights and Internet streaming, discussion boards, etc., the pull of a fluent/native language remains strong I think.

Personal aside: When I was a bit younger and the Internet broadened my horizons to following the game I'd loved since childhood, I had not grown up supporting any particular club - but when presented with the task of settling on a league & a club to follow most closely, what edged me towards EPL (where I soon followed Arsenal) over Germany (where I probably would have followed Frankfurt Eintracht) was the fact that I'd forgotten whatever German I'd learned as a kid. And if language has nothing to do with it, you'd have to wonder why the Bundesliga (which tends to have the most unpredictable seasons & title races these days, and also highest goals-per-game ratio) doesn't get included in discussions as "best" or "most exciting" league that often.

But language alone can't explain it, otherwise MLS and the Latin American leagues would get greater exposure outside of their own hemisphere. I think the pace & excitement of EPL and the extremely high levels of technique in La Liga are what make those the elite leagues in the current period.

Also, money. But part of how & why the leagues accrue this money is related to reasons above.
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Post by Swanhends Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:14 pm

because its the greatest lg in the world

next question
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Post by che Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:23 pm

Art Morte wrote:The language thing isn't about understanding what the players are saying on the pitch (Highburied) or what language the commentating is (Zealous), it's about being able to follow what the media writes and broadcasts about the league.

this

if you actually want to get into seriously supporting a football club, english teams are the easiest way to go through the huge amount of coverage in the club's native language... if i didn't have basic knowledge of spanish i'd have very little understanding of what's going on at vcf, relying on other people sucks tbh, journalists even more so than other fans
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Post by BeautifulGame Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:52 pm

Lord Hades wrote: united bandwagon is strong in south asia as well, every second football follower is on the red devil bandwagon and most dont even know their first 11.

they managed to push the barca- moscow game telecast to some stupid channel so that ten action could show united- gala via massive twitter fest. that support

That is true about 99% football fans in SA regardless of which team they support not just united.
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Post by BeautifulGame Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:54 pm

Gil wrote:
Lord Hades wrote:rampant marketing and brainwashing of majority of the asian population where its very hard to be a fan of clubs from other leagues.

Aren't Madrid the most popular club in Asia?

United by a country mile
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:57 pm

Don't buy into the high energy entertainment argument. In my experience it's hugely overrated and I don't find the games that much more interesting.

It's the money, which leads to competition.

Where were the premierfaces before Roman took over Abramovich? There must have been a few, but nowhere near as much as later. Before then only two clubs competed for the title recently, and only one consistently. Chelsea came in, bought a ton of stars, and they suddenly became "the most competitive league in the world". Enter Man City, now you have 4 sides capable of competing, all with exciting players and can do so consistently in the CL. Without Chelsea this would have never happened.
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Post by Lex Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:06 pm

Three names helped the EPL turn La Liga and Serie A fan's heads

Henry. Van Nistelrooy. Beckham. Those three probably did more for the PL than anyone else
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Post by Lex Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:11 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Where were the premierfaces before Roman took over Abramovich?
I was 14, you were 12 and a lot of people here were more concerned about getting out of P.E. than which league was better on an internet forum
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Post by Onyx Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:12 pm

Getting out of P.E. hmm

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Post by Lex Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:17 pm

They made us wear shorts in winter for P.E.

Eff that
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Post by RealGunner Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:18 pm

Marketing and Language are just the two components among many which makes it the best league in the world. No one in Asia watches a Stoke vs Bolton game just because it's in the "best league"

Most of you have listed the legit reasons and when you combine all of them then obviously you get a master piece :I'munoriginal:

language ( not all that important tbf because Madrid are the most popular team in Middle East for example )
Marketing
Entertainment
6-7 Popular teams
Big names
Money
Money
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