Robben is probably one of Bayern best individual player, but the team plays better without him.

and Ribery is either better than him or they are evenly match.

I don't believe Robben was anything special last season, when he wasn't playing we played much better.

the 1 goal he scored against Mainz if he wasn't there maybe we could have scored more, also against Basel we would have beaten them without him, so it was nothing special to say but missing two important penalty it's something any true fan will question and remember and add to that all the miss chances against Madrid that could have put the game too bed.

Gil wrote:Muller should start but he's always been at his best playing RM & Arjen is undroppable.

You'd have to drop Kroos and start Muller instead though.

That's the only real dilemma in the squad as the rest of the team picks itself really.

Perhaps drop Schweini for Kroos? He's been shite for ages now lol.

Where did this myth of Martinez being a great CB come from btw? Athletic conceded 53(!!!!) goals in La Liga last season with him in there and he got raped by Falcao in the Europa League final. He's always been at his best as a DM so Guatavo gets dropped.

Don't rate Boateng that highly but BADstuber's an even worse player so he gets the nod ahead of him. Dante looks like a solid player so he should play alongside Boa.

Pizarro is Bayern's best striker IMO but politics means he'll be behind Gomez & Mandzukic & between those two you'd have to go with Godmez because of his outstanding goals oring record.

Neuer
Lahm Boateng Dante Alaba
Martinez Schwein/Kroos
Robben/Muller Kroos/Muller Ribery
Gomez

Gil you obviously weren't watching Athletic the whole season in seeing Javi's absolute brilliance in his intermittent CB placements as the 53 goals in La Liga is literally an irrelevant stat and doesn't reflect on Javi's performances at CB. As for the EL final I hope you aren't getting Amorbieta mixed up with Javi as the former was responsible for the brunt of the blunder's behind the mistake goals.

But...I do agree with you on the rest as Pizzaro is insanely underrated and certainly a better player then Gomez (although not as prolific) but we will be quite isolated on this topic you and I.

I also agree Scweinsteiger has been crap for 2 years now and nowhere near the level he once was at.


OT:

Neuer
Lahm-Dante-Badstuber-Alaba
Javi-Kroos
Xherdan-Mueller-Ribery
Pizzaro


There is very little gap between Boateng and Badstuber since both are an anxious mess but Badstuber takes it in his positioning for his tackles which is impressive.

Javi over Gustavo as people who have actually watched both will hands down take Javi over the Brazilian DM.

Mueller on the right is quite anonymous as central he works better with his all round game while Shaquiri over Robben since the latter is just a predictable coerver injected mess who chokes.



@RWO you may be rolling your eyes at this one but I'm contemplating that your facts weren't enough to convince the readers considering most of them were pass stats and other irrelevant facts. This also goes along with the few managers you picked who are known for their poor selection along with winning very very little

I was going to put Pizarro ahead of Mandzukic and Gomez because I honestly believe he's a better player, but I thought everyone will laugh at me, so I hesitated but of what use is my hesitation now..?

The Messiah wrote:I was going to put Pizarro ahead of Mandzukic and Gomez because I honestly believe he's a better player, but I thought everyone will laugh at me, so hesitated but of what use is my hesitation now..?

Mate, its a forum. A central hub for you opinions. If you care that much about others laughing at your opinions then its almost futile to post.

As for Pizzaro, he is comfortably better then both as despite not having the instincts like Gomez he would provide far more skill in the box along with his clutch ability.

But from a tactical perspective its understandable if Gomez plays ahead of him.

Arquitecto wrote:

The Messiah wrote:I was going to put Pizarro ahead of Mandzukic and Gomez because I honestly believe he's a better player, but I thought everyone will laugh at me, so hesitated but of what use is my hesitation now..?

Mate, its a forum. A central hub for you opinions. If you care that much about others laughing at your opinions then its almost futile to post.

As for Pizzaro, he is comfortably better then both as despite not having the instincts like Gomez he would provide far more skill in the box along with his clutch ability.

But from a tactical perspective its understandable if Gomez plays ahead of him.

Lets be honest here, I don't think he has any problems like that what so ever.

Rikayat. Lol

Pizarro will be injured half the season anyway, despite being a great striker. He's at an age where he's just consistently struggling with minor injuries.

Gomez is brilliant at what he does, but tactically Mandzukic makes more sense, Bayern need a CF who'll integrate himself into Bayerns passing game, not a pure finisher.

I fully agree with the post from Kingofeverythingclassy about Badstuber and Robben.

And for those of you who think Robben is bad and should be benched (i guess you always watch match highlights from Bayern and nothing more ) here is a statistic that speaks for itself:

All matches for Bayern : 94
Goals: 55
Assists: 34 (yea very selfish this guy...)

every 80 minutes he made an assist/goal.

89 scorerpoints in 94 games for Bayern.. omg please bench this lowskilled footballer.........not

I am not doubting his ability, I am doubting his performances at the big stage. Hence why I said play Robben (gomez too) against scrub and average teams. Use them as subs against big teams.

Like it or not, Robben has failed to produce against the big teams with great consistency.

Also it is funny you are bringing Ronaldo up in this discussion (Kingofeverythingclassy), because Ronaldo has been often criticized for failing to produce on the big stage (before this and the last season specially) which I am criticizing Robben now.

BAYERN_MUNICH, how about you link his stats of last 2 seasons against big teams. Also feel free to include his penalty score/miss ratio against big teams. Hopefully this will prove that Robben is not undroppable in the big games.

Also nowhere in my post did I say Robben was plain BAD, I asked what makes him undroppable from the line-up.

Might have been wrong on the selfish part though. From what I have seen he does seem selfish, but maybe I haven't seen him play enough to truly see the big picture. Maybe he is selfish, maybe he isn't.

As far as I know Ronaldo doesn't pick fights with his teammates. I would doubt Mourinho would allow this kind of stuff within the team. Sure there are some disagreements between the players (Casillas-Ronaldo ?), but people are different. I would imagine there are some sort of disagreements in every team.

Anyway based on his past performances for the last 2 seasons against big teams it is reasonable to ask what exactly is it that makes him undroppable. Surely Bayern could try playing without him against big teams when he has consistently failed to show up in big games.

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:I fully agree with the post from Kingofeverythingclassy about Badstuber and Robben.

And for those of you who think Robben is bad and should be benched (i guess you always watch match highlights from Bayern and nothing more ) here is a statistic that speaks for itself:

All matches for Bayern : 94
Goals: 55
Assists: 34 (yea very selfish this guy...)

every 80 minutes he made an assist/goal.

89 scorerpoints in 94 games for Bayern.. omg please bench this lowskilled footballer.........not

Although I didn't say Robben should be benched, but you have to agree he missed 2 important penalties and the teams play better without him.


With that said, yes Robben is one of our best players.

Do you finally agree Muller is best at RW Idro? You disagreed a few months back.

Gil wrote:Do you finally agree Muller is best at RW Idro? You disagreed a few months back.

I was the on saying he's a winger but can also play as SS.


Also regarding Robben, I think the manager should figure out his place, but Muller too is very good player even Shaqiri, so even if we bench Robben it's not like we'll be playing some scrub like Pranjic, same applies to Schweini, even if he's dropped he'll be replace by another world-class player.

This applies to all Bayern Munich players, aside from Lahm, Neuer and probably Alaba but even Starke is decent and Rafinha and Contento are Good.

I have seen a few Bayern games this season and I must say, your team is easily the most dynamic team in Europe. I would actually label your team as favourites to win the European cup this season. How do you think Martinez will fit in especially after that amazing performance from Gustavo on the weekend?

Clockwork Orange wrote:I have seen a few Bayern games this season and I must say, your team is easily the most dynamic team in Europe. I would actually label your team as favourites to win the European cup this season. How do you think Martinez will fit in especially after that amazing performance from Gustavo on the weekend?

Well, it's no secret Cruyff lebel Bayern as the bench mark of European football and ask Ajax to follow in that footstep.

With that said, Martinez is an extremely good player, he can play as CB/CM/DM but we have Gustavo who is probably the best destroyer at the game right now. We'll see how he can match Gustavo, it's all to healthy for us.

Margera wrote:I am not doubting his ability, I am doubting his performances at the big stage. Hence why I said play Robben (gomez too) against scrub and average teams. Use them as subs against big teams.

Like it or not, Robben has failed to produce against the big teams with great consistency.

Also it is funny you are bringing Ronaldo up in this discussion (Kingofeverythingclassy), because Ronaldo has been often criticized for failing to produce on the big stage (before this and the last season specially) which I am criticizing Robben now.

BAYERN_MUNICH, how about you link his stats of last 2 seasons against big teams. Also feel free to include his penalty score/miss ratio against big teams. Hopefully this will prove that Robben is not undroppable in the big games.

Also nowhere in my post did I say Robben was plain BAD, I asked what makes him undroppable from the line-up.

Might have been wrong on the selfish part though. From what I have seen he does seem selfish, but maybe I haven't seen him play enough to truly see the big picture. Maybe he is selfish, maybe he isn't.

As far as I know Ronaldo doesn't pick fights with his teammates. I would doubt Mourinho would allow this kind of stuff within the team. Sure there are some disagreements between the players (Casillas-Ronaldo ?), but people are different. I would imagine there are some sort of disagreements in every team.

Anyway based on his past performances for the last 2 seasons against big teams it is reasonable to ask what exactly is it that makes him undroppable. Surely Bayern could try playing without him against big teams when he has consistently failed to show up in big games.

Bar last season CHL final & maybe a PK against Dortmund Robben has always been about performing in big games.

He single handedly took Bayern to CHL final with wonder volleys against United & a stunner against Fiorentina,both matches Bayern were loosing 1-3 till the 80th minute & scraped through via away goals rule

Against Schalke in Pokal semis Bayern were 0-0 till like 115th minute & Neuer is a better PK saver than Butt IMO & Robben made a dash from his half & scored one of the best goals in many many years to hand Bayern through.

In 2010-11 when he was injured for half the season,he came back & had 28 Scorer Points in 18 games & Bayern were in semi-midtable & he did his part to get Bayern to CHL Qualification. He was the only one who played well & scored against Dortmund.

This year against Dortmund in Super CUP he was MOM,set up goals,Muller tapped in his shot hitting the post & was very good.

He scored & set up against Marseille to set up a 2-0 in the Away Tie killing the game. Ribery was crap in that game & Robben did his best. Ribery has for some weird reasons been outstanding in home games & average in away games,maybe he needs crowd support.

Same against Basel,we lost then he scored & set Muller to give us a 2-0 lead. He scored the important PK against Madrid. Imagine if he missed that.

And along the season he had numerous important goals like the 1-0 against Mainz which was heading up for a draw to keep Bayern in the hunt for BL title.

People forget all that & look at his mistake.

But there are very few people in the league of robben. Neither Muller & neither Shaqiri are & might never be.

Same with Piggy. He has not been crap for 2 years,He was brilliant during the 1st half of last season but he has been average & injured. But Piggy is the heart & soul of Bayern. He is the general & Kroos does not have the maturity & Defensive ability as Piggy.

No sane Bayern fan would want to see a Bayern Munich without Schweni. I am sure in 2-3 months Schweni will be back to his best. That is why Martinez was bought. For the dream Piggy-Javi combo.

Footballers are not whores to use them,have fun & when they have a bad patch dump them without giving them a proper chance.

If someone things Boateng,Shaqiri,Muller & Kroos will help us with the CHL against Madrid or Barca then they are mistaken. These players although good but would they even make Barca's bench??

I dont really classify Idriozet as much of Bayern fan he is more of a Bayern Bandwagoner. Lots of respect to him for keeping Bayern section alive though.

But Rafinha is horrible & even Bayern's Reserve 4th Division RB is probably better than him. Contento has a lot to prove. And Starke is very very mediocre & I feel safer with Bayern Reserve's 4th Divion GK Raeder.

IMO Bayern should go to a 4-3-3 not that they have 6 Medios.

Schweni-Martinez-Kroos
Robben-Gomez/Mandzukic-Ribery

Subs - Tymo,Gustavo,Can,Shaqiri,Muller,Pizarro for the Forward Positions. I would say its a good line-up. 4-3-3 means all three medios can share defensive work load & attack. It means less tracking from Robbery allowing them to move in & combine more.

And with Tymo,Gustavo you have destroyers to close the game & with Shaqiri Muller you have alternative wingers or CAM/2nd ST to attack.

IMO this is Bayern's best position.

Only doubtable position is the 2 CB's, None of Bayern's CB are World Class. The player Bayern should have got after was Thiago Silva. Bayern need 1 WC right footed CB which will make Dante,Badstuber,Boateng play much better to secure their place & learn from the best.

IMO the difference between Bayern being a CHL contender & favourites is a Thiago Silva & a technical WC striker like Aguero missing(lets be honest Mandzukic is not that good yet)

The Messiah wrote:

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:I fully agree with the post from Kingofeverythingclassy about Badstuber and Robben.

And for those of you who think Robben is bad and should be benched (i guess you always watch match highlights from Bayern and nothing more ) here is a statistic that speaks for itself:

All matches for Bayern : 94
Goals: 55
Assists: 34 (yea very selfish this guy...)

every 80 minutes he made an assist/goal.

89 scorerpoints in 94 games for Bayern.. omg please bench this lowskilled footballer.........not

Although I didn't say Robben should be benched, but you have to agree he missed 2 important penalties and the teams play better without him.


With that said, yes Robben is one of our best players.

With that being said the team also plays better without Piggy when we won Super Cup or without Ribery when we easily won our 1st match in Pokal.

I am sure if you remove Lahm & play say a Wieser & if you are up 1-0 or 2-0 in 20 minutes against say a Hamburg then going 6-0 at the end is no benchmark for quality.

Bayern Munich have too much quality such that 1 player missing would prevent them from beating Crap teams.

Madrid,Barca are a different story. I still doubt if at present Bayern can even beat Barca.

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:I dont really classify Idriozet as much of Bayern fan he is more of a Bayern Bandwagoner. Lots of respect to him for keeping Bayern section alive though.

You know you make me laugh, that's very considerate indeed, that was a good one. I see you are a humorous poster and flamboyant too, I might add. or does that make you uncomfortable to have a Glory Hunter; Sluuuuuuuut like the Messiah admire your insolent. You take me for a bandwagoner yet I have a facebook page with more than 11thousand Bayern fans, can you top that.? can these entire forum top that.?

Look, I know my style is petulant and not too classy, but haven't I always been a helpful one? I got three words for you: "Robben/PSV fan boy". Trust me I know how they think, these PSV fan boys: when they feel ashamed of their club, they all head to top clubs like Bayern/Barcelona with past Dutch coaches/players, they are so predictable.


You really are an entertainment to me, I suppose you know our reputation for entertainment and after 13years of being part of the Hollywood, I don't think I am about to change these reputation any-time soon, although if I am to change my loyalty for anyone it will be for 2004-5 PSV team.


I have seen many Ajax/PSV/Robben fan boys, like somebody like you have not seen before, that's why it such a pity you don't even realise you are indeed the bandwagoner, I really can not keep letting a bandwagoner disrespect me anymore, I'm afraid I have to start confronting you, so as to put you in your place, so sorry. oh well, C'est la vie.

What people are forgetting is that Robben actually had a good season. He just had a bad ending to season. Those 2 penalties late in the season where the only ones he missed all season. And still, the poor guy gets quadruple marked the second he gets the ball every time. Chelsea, on top of parking the bus and already having one of the best leftbacks in the world, also put Bertrand at left winger, with no offensive plan, strictly to help defend Robben. He is THAT good. When he is on form, is say he's the most dangerous player in the world with the ball at his feet, second only to Messi. And when he's off form, he's still an elite player. I'm a big fan of Shaqiri, but when he gets quadruple marked by top players from Chelsea and Dortmund, he would be invisible. Robben still makes an impact. Even Muller would get shut down by that. There's no benching Robben.

Thank You. Ignores the non-sense.

You were the guy who wanted to sell Piggy if 50M was offered & you still dont care what happens to his career.

Ofcourse Robben is my favourite but a Piggy-Javi dream combo is also my favourite & there's so many things like that. I dont need to justify myself. But you are only here for Bayern because they are CHL contenders. God forbid Bayern becomes a mid-table team then you can hop on to PSG & take your nephew there as a fan too

I thought you were becoming a Madrid fan so that would have been better.

BTW why is Glory-Hunter Slut written in your profile & why is your warning level at 25%??

I told you so, didn't I? I said the admin are over-run by unjust people. they can't stand people who stand against Real-Madrid Barcelona and Liverpool, I am their competition, you know. it's just a matter of time before they send you and I to smithereens on this forum.( check FB for Bayern Munich fans from all over the world, we can continue from there when that time comes to past)

I am on 25% because of injustice/hate and the glory hunter sluuuuut is simply an evidence to prove that, so don't aid and abet the competitions

I respect every poster on my page, because I feel everyone deserves to be respected. hit me up.


By the way Robben is good that is the reason why I couldn't take him out of my 3 formation, Muller is also a good player so even him must play as well and I'm sure Robben will accept rotation, the competition is good for the team.

Is this Glory Hunter Slut stuff legal??


This is highly dis-respecting though. I mean ban people,but why put on such shit??

I mean which person with minimum self-respect would like to post in a forum where the mods put on a Glory Hunter Slut tag on his profile???

Feel for you though. Not really a nice thing. Hope RWO becomes a mod and puts an end to this grave injustice

You know, there is a difference between mods and admins - the latter can do structural things with the forum and users and stuff like opening the chat etc, while mods can only shove around and deal with posts. ^^

RWO for admin then. I hope the admins RG & the rest are reading this. You might or might not like a person but to derive pleasure publicly by ridiculing him by posting a Glory Hunter Slut on his profile is completely uncalled for mate.

If you dont like make partial sanctions on his posts,get all his posts approved by mods,whatever by why do this??

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:Is this Glory Hunter Slut stuff legal??


This is highly dis-respecting though. I mean ban people,but why put on such shit??

I mean which person with minimum self-respect would like to post in a forum where the mods put on a Glory Hunter Slut tag on his profile???

Feel for you though. Not really a nice thing. Hope RWO becomes a mod and puts an end to this grave injustice

At this point they can't ban me because it will prove to everyone that I am right and they are unjust, the glory hunter sluuuut is a typical example you know and also I have not broken any rules and they have obvious broken all boundaries


If there were more Bayern fans here I would have been long gone, I can't stop posting because of a retarded action carried out by one of the admins(RedOranje I suspect, in retaliation for my post regarding the truth about Liverpool), it will defeat my purpose on this forum.


They apologise the first time, so at least everyone have seen that already, so doing it again for the second time simply justify all the things I have said about them not wanting Bayern to dominate, which is my purpose here and that purpose won't be defeated without leaving a mark, one that will create a tremendous for them

rwo power wrote:You know, there is a difference between mods and admins - the latter can do structural things with the forum and users and stuff like opening the chat etc, while mods can only shove around and deal with posts. ^^

Ah, you guys should relax. They are just doing the famous Messiah a little favour that's all. You ever heard about the owl and the Squirrels..?


Squirrels works all summer storing away food for winter, all kind of nuts and seeds, they worked really hard.

Then one day just before the first snow they goes outside for one last look around, when all of a sudden this owl swoops down and grabs them and carry them off.


"Ah, what a shame, says the squirrels' cause what's gonna happen to all that good food..?


I hope you guys (Rwo-Power in particular) can relate to this similitude.