Pirlo is better at through balls, corners, free kicks both for delivery and shooting, Penalties, much better long passing, better short passing, better on the ball, much better vision and I could go on and on and on.

Carrick will be slightly better at defending most of the time.

I can't believe I am locked into a Pirlo vs Carrick debate but i'm not sure if you're trolling or not.

TomJuve wrote:Pirlo is better at through balls, corners, free kicks both for delivery and shooting, Penalties, much better long passing, better short passing, better on the ball, much better vision and I could go on and on and on.

Carrick will be slightly better at defending most of the time.

I can't believe I am locked into a Pirlo vs Carrick debate but i'm not sure if you're trolling or not.

So just because he's better at more things, means he's better overall?

Most through balls fail.

Most corners fail.

Most free kicks fail.

And saying that Carrick is "slightly better at defending most of the time" is evidence of your bias and your weak position. If you were confident in what you were saying then you wouldn't have to twist things to make Pirlo sound better than he is.

It wasn't even the Carrick thing....

It was this

I like Marchisio and Vidal but I think they're on the same sort of level as Fletcher and Anderson.

League is usually won by the strength of your attack and defense not midfield imo.U win the league mostly based on how they perform against teams below them not how they perform in H2H matches.

So united are favourites for title followed by City i think

Le Samourai wrote:It wasn't even the Carrick thing....

It was this

I like Marchisio and Vidal but I think they're on the same sort of level as Fletcher and Anderson.

Well I don't really know about them to be honest, that was just a guess. I've never seen Vidal play, even on youtube. That's why I said "I think."

If he's better at every aspect of the game apart from defending then yes that does make him a better player.

You're the only person I have ever spoken to football about that would say Carrick is better than Pirlo. Infact, nobody even mentions them in the same category of player. The only bias here is coming from you.

I'm out, I refuse to debate this any more. Next on the agenda is Borriello vs Messi perhaps?


As for the Fletcher part, I refuse to believe I even had to read that today.


Edit: Wait... you've never seen him play?

No words left to describe this.

Bhends must be so disappointed

Everything you say is predicated on stats, but you just coincidentally forget to mention the fact that Vidal and Marchisio rape Fletcher and Aderson statistically?

Seems legit.

Just mind games lads. No way he isn't on a WUM right now, just impossible.

Vidal on the same level as Anderson

TomJuve wrote:If he's better at every aspect of the game apart from defending then yes that does make him a better player.

You're the only person I have ever spoken to football about that would say Carrick is better than Pirlo. Infact, nobody even mentions them in the same category of player. The only bias here is coming from you.

I'm out, I refuse to debate this any more. Next on the agenda is Borriello vs Messi perhaps?


As for the Fletcher part, I refuse to believe I even had to read that today.


Edit: Wait... you've never seen him play?

No words left to describe this.

No it doesn't make him a better player! It might make him more talented but it doesn't mean he has more of an influence on a game.

If you spend 42.5% of the time passing, 42.5% of the time defending and 5% of the time doing all that other stuff, which midfielders do in even matches, then a player who is better at passing and defending is better overall than a player who can't defend very well and can do a load of other fancy stuff like free kicks, but still can't pull it off most of the time.

Le Samourai wrote:Everything you say is predicated on stats, but you just coincidentally forget to mention the fact that Vidal and Marchisio rape Fletcher and Aderson statistically?

Seems legit.

I haven't analysed them yet but I'll get back to you on that one.

Ladies and Gentleman this is why i hate stats, watch the game and give your opinion.

Don't use stats to decide who is better than who.

Stats mean absolutely f*ck all.

August 17th 2012. The day I lost my faith in humanity.

To be honest lads, we won't be able to settle this debate unless United play Juve in the Champions League, so let's just leave it now.

MindGames7 wrote:To be honest lads, we won't be able to settle this debate unless United play Juve in the Champions League, so let's just leave it now.

Last time we played their greatest team in 03. we candidly smashed them 3-0 away.

Fletcher or Pirlo?

MindGames7 wrote:To be honest lads, we won't be able to settle this debate unless United play Juve in the Champions League, so let's just leave it now.

Fair enough.

jibers wrote:Last time we played their greatest team in 03. we candidly smashed them 3-0 away.

Remember when Giggs-Scholes-Butt-Beckham made their midfield look like it wasn't there in Gary Neville's testimonial last year? Albeit without Pirlo.

MindGames7 wrote:

jibers wrote:Last time we played their greatest team in 03. we candidly smashed them 3-0 away.

Remember when Giggs-Scholes-Butt-Beckham made their midfield look like it wasn't there in Gary Neville's testimonial last year? Albeit without Pirlo.

Albeit Juventus won 2-1. But I wouldn't bring up a testimonial. That was the year we finished 7th and no Vidal either. United were obviously better than us then.

Honestly u need to see Juve and United play to decide whether Carrick or Pirlo is better? Seriously

Carraick couldnt get into the England midfield , the same midfield Pirlo was shreading to pieces in Euro 2012.Pirlo is one of the greatest midfielders in this era if not ever

What next? We cant decide whether Sinclair or Messi is better until Swansea play Barca?

TomJuve wrote:Albeit Juventus won 2-1. But I wouldn't bring up a testimonial. That was the year we finished 7th and no Vidal either. United were obviously better than us then.

Yeah that wasn't a serious point, it was just banter. :p

To be fair though, you have to admit that some of the passing of Giggs, Scholes and Beckham was great to watch.

Okay boys, Pirlo vs Carrick debate in my RB section is up.

And I actually enjoyed that game.

Especially after that season. It was a season to forget after Quagliarella went down.

getting back to topic-

united's really weak midfield is not going to cut it against the rest of the top 4-6 who all imo have better midfields.

all teams will have to do is pack the midfield and united wont be able to connect a single pass from the defense to offense.

vanDEEZ wrote:getting back to topic-

united's really weak midfield is not going to cut it against the rest of the top 4-6 who all imo have better midfields.

all teams will have to do is pack the midfield and united wont be able to connect a single pass from the defense to offense.

I'll be checking back at this during midseason.

vanDEEZ wrote:getting back to topic-

united's really weak midfield is not going to cut it against the rest of the top 4-6 who all imo have better midfields.

all teams will have to do is pack the midfield and united wont be able to connect a single pass from the defense to offense.

we dont need to win every game against top clubs....we just need to lock down defense and score goals against small clubs to win the league.

Tactic proven by mou