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Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
He won't be banned and he will be found not guilty leading to FIGC to be the laughing stock again. While the trial lasts he will lwad Juve and it will last until Jan or maybe more if he is found guilty PAVEL NEDVED will take over if u ask me but media say that Del Piero will be the new manager while conte serves penalty if he does which is highly impossible
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
Where did you get that info from Devi?
Anyways, i think he should MAX get a 3 month ban, but no ban would be more reasonable, and i would obviously prefer him not to get banned at all. We all know ths FIGC are corrupt themsleves though and are out to get Juve, so hell pribably end up with a 6-12 month ban in my.opinion, just for not being a snitch. If he does get a ban though, i would love Nedved or Del Piero to become the new manager, whether it be as an interim manager or permanent.
Anyways, i think he should MAX get a 3 month ban, but no ban would be more reasonable, and i would obviously prefer him not to get banned at all. We all know ths FIGC are corrupt themsleves though and are out to get Juve, so hell pribably end up with a 6-12 month ban in my.opinion, just for not being a snitch. If he does get a ban though, i would love Nedved or Del Piero to become the new manager, whether it be as an interim manager or permanent.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
I have a hard time believing he would plead guilty if he believed in his own innocence and the only evidence against him is the word of one person against that of 24.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
He never pleaded guilty though.BarrileteCosmico wrote:I have a hard time believing he would plead guilty if he believed in his own innocence and the only evidence against him is the word of one person against that of 24.
He took a bargain plea without admission of guilt to just get it over with because lets face it the longer it goes on the worse its going to be for everyone. the only people who are going to consider Conte a cheat after this are haters or uninformed people so im easy about either decision.
Also the FIGC are idiots
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
Why accept even 3 months when you're innocent and you can prove it? That's an admission of guilt, regardless of whether it was legal or not.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
Because to prove his innocence to the FIGC will take alot longer than 3 months imo, so like iv said loads of times to various people, he was advised by his lawyer and by Juventus to take it to just get it over with. simple as that.
And bro, people can interpret it anyway they want, he made the plea without admission of guilt so hes STILL standing by his innocence while agreeing he has (if it is a law that you have to snitch) broke a law, its really silly tbh, he isnt 100% innocent because he didnt say anything but i think its a bit wierd that that is a crime. Sometimes people would just rather not get involved and let someone else do the snitching and in Conte's case he's just been *bleep* by the cold arm of the law for the most minor thing, staying out of it and shutting up.
And bro, people can interpret it anyway they want, he made the plea without admission of guilt so hes STILL standing by his innocence while agreeing he has (if it is a law that you have to snitch) broke a law, its really silly tbh, he isnt 100% innocent because he didnt say anything but i think its a bit wierd that that is a crime. Sometimes people would just rather not get involved and let someone else do the snitching and in Conte's case he's just been *bleep* by the cold arm of the law for the most minor thing, staying out of it and shutting up.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
Why are Juventus always involve with match fixing one way or another....?
Are there no other clubs, Why only Juventus...?
Are there no other clubs, Why only Juventus...?
Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
Why take the plea bargain if you're not guilty...?
Let's see. In taking a plea bargain he:
- Can focus on preparing Juventus to be the best team in Serie A, again.
- Can get back to his life without the spectacle of a very public trial and far more public awareness of the accusations (which would likely be trumped up in the actual trial if the prosecution is worth their salt).
- Limits the damage to Juventus's already tarnished image regarding match-fixing. Even though Juventus as a club are not directly involved in this, we all know the connections would be made. Just look at the threads here about the subject. People already are...
- Avoids the possibility of wrongful conviction. Let's face it, even in the best legal systems there is the possibility of wrongful conviction. Now, let's consider that we're talking about a very sensitive and polarizing subject and the legal system in question isn't dealing with human/civil/business rights. It's dealing with a sporting competition. There is a much higher potential for a decision being influenced by opinion than sustainable, empirical fact. Besides, it's not like in taking the bargain he would have to go to prison. He simply doesn't have contact with the team during matches... That's considerably different.
I'm pretty fed up with this whole, "If he takes the bargain he is a liar and a cheater and stole candy from children," argument. If he takes a limited duration (like the previous 3 month offer), he is merely avoiding the risk, hardship, and lasting stigma on himself and the club.
Better the devil you know than the devil you don't...
Let's see. In taking a plea bargain he:
- Can focus on preparing Juventus to be the best team in Serie A, again.
- Can get back to his life without the spectacle of a very public trial and far more public awareness of the accusations (which would likely be trumped up in the actual trial if the prosecution is worth their salt).
- Limits the damage to Juventus's already tarnished image regarding match-fixing. Even though Juventus as a club are not directly involved in this, we all know the connections would be made. Just look at the threads here about the subject. People already are...
- Avoids the possibility of wrongful conviction. Let's face it, even in the best legal systems there is the possibility of wrongful conviction. Now, let's consider that we're talking about a very sensitive and polarizing subject and the legal system in question isn't dealing with human/civil/business rights. It's dealing with a sporting competition. There is a much higher potential for a decision being influenced by opinion than sustainable, empirical fact. Besides, it's not like in taking the bargain he would have to go to prison. He simply doesn't have contact with the team during matches... That's considerably different.
I'm pretty fed up with this whole, "If he takes the bargain he is a liar and a cheater and stole candy from children," argument. If he takes a limited duration (like the previous 3 month offer), he is merely avoiding the risk, hardship, and lasting stigma on himself and the club.
Better the devil you know than the devil you don't...
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
The Messiah wrote:Why are Juventus always involve with match fixing one way or another....?
Are there no other clubs, Why only Juventus...?
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JUVENTUS
Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
Italian Arry?
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
What? Their whole case is based on one person's testimony? lol.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
kiranr wrote:
What? Their whole case is based on one person's testimony? lol.
Yep thats it.
Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
This football-italia post pretty much explains the situation.
http://football-italia.net/22641/contes-dignity-priceless
Antonio Conte’s lawyer reveals why the Juventus Coach took a plea bargain and then chose to fight the betting charges in a full trial. “His dignity is priceless.”
The tactician is charged with failing to alert authorities to a potential fix while he was at Siena, something he has always denied.
He was willing to take a plea bargain on the strict condition it was not an admission of guilt (which is possible under Italian law), but the Disciplinary Commission rejected the suspension of three months with €200,000 fine.
Conte and his assistant manager Angelo Alessio have taken a surprising step by not sitting on the bench for tonight's friendly against Malaga. Massimo Carrera takes the reins instead, as Juve are forced to prepare for life without Conte on the touchline.
“He was always very consistent, saying he wanted to respect the work of the prosecutors and judges,” lawyer Antonio De Rensis told Sky Sport Italia.
“Despite the difficulties this situation created for Juventus and his family, he is the one who gives us strength. The same level of strength and support comes from President Andrea Agnelli.
“A plea bargain in a sporting trial is an opportunity and I can guarantee it was very hard to convince Conte to accept the three-month ban. When that failed, every other option fell away, because Antonio Conte’s dignity is priceless.
“What irritated him the most? He always put the needs of the team first, even in front of his pride and dignity. What hurt Antonio the most was being painted as someone unfair, which everyone knows is completely opposed to the reality.
“He is a man of great heart and honesty. Those who know him, love him.”
After the plea bargain collapsed, the prosecutor requested a 15-month ban and the Disciplinary Commission judges are expected to make a decision around August 8-10.
“I think the fact the prosecutor quintupled his requested ban shows how out of proportion this is,” continued the lawyer.
“The truth is in the paperwork, as there are some passages of testimony that are completely contradictory. In five versions Carlo Gervasoni and Filippo Carobbio changed their stories in the detail and every time this happened Carobbio said that Gervasoni was lying. If one says black and the other says white, then someone here is not telling the truth.
“I am convinced the Disciplinary Commission is not targeting Conte, it’s just that Carobbio said things that are contradicted within the paperwork at their disposal. Unfortunately, they have so little time to get to the bottom of things.
“The paperwork says it all. I’d like to point out that against my client there are no intercepted phone calls or a money trail. The only evidence is the testimony of someone who already confessed to sporting fraud.
“I feel evidence has to be fundamental, otherwise we are facing a witch-hunt.”
http://football-italia.net/22641/contes-dignity-priceless
Antonio Conte’s lawyer reveals why the Juventus Coach took a plea bargain and then chose to fight the betting charges in a full trial. “His dignity is priceless.”
The tactician is charged with failing to alert authorities to a potential fix while he was at Siena, something he has always denied.
He was willing to take a plea bargain on the strict condition it was not an admission of guilt (which is possible under Italian law), but the Disciplinary Commission rejected the suspension of three months with €200,000 fine.
Conte and his assistant manager Angelo Alessio have taken a surprising step by not sitting on the bench for tonight's friendly against Malaga. Massimo Carrera takes the reins instead, as Juve are forced to prepare for life without Conte on the touchline.
“He was always very consistent, saying he wanted to respect the work of the prosecutors and judges,” lawyer Antonio De Rensis told Sky Sport Italia.
“Despite the difficulties this situation created for Juventus and his family, he is the one who gives us strength. The same level of strength and support comes from President Andrea Agnelli.
“A plea bargain in a sporting trial is an opportunity and I can guarantee it was very hard to convince Conte to accept the three-month ban. When that failed, every other option fell away, because Antonio Conte’s dignity is priceless.
“What irritated him the most? He always put the needs of the team first, even in front of his pride and dignity. What hurt Antonio the most was being painted as someone unfair, which everyone knows is completely opposed to the reality.
“He is a man of great heart and honesty. Those who know him, love him.”
After the plea bargain collapsed, the prosecutor requested a 15-month ban and the Disciplinary Commission judges are expected to make a decision around August 8-10.
“I think the fact the prosecutor quintupled his requested ban shows how out of proportion this is,” continued the lawyer.
“The truth is in the paperwork, as there are some passages of testimony that are completely contradictory. In five versions Carlo Gervasoni and Filippo Carobbio changed their stories in the detail and every time this happened Carobbio said that Gervasoni was lying. If one says black and the other says white, then someone here is not telling the truth.
“I am convinced the Disciplinary Commission is not targeting Conte, it’s just that Carobbio said things that are contradicted within the paperwork at their disposal. Unfortunately, they have so little time to get to the bottom of things.
“The paperwork says it all. I’d like to point out that against my client there are no intercepted phone calls or a money trail. The only evidence is the testimony of someone who already confessed to sporting fraud.
“I feel evidence has to be fundamental, otherwise we are facing a witch-hunt.”
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
If you know you're innoncent and 24 other people knows it too you should have no reason to accept a 3 month ban.
Him accepting just tells me he is guilty no matter what the final decision will be.
Him accepting just tells me he is guilty no matter what the final decision will be.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
No it does not, because he said he would accept it only on the strict condition that it was not an admission to guilt.
Atleast, it is not absolutely sure as you guys are making.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
If it's a three month ban than the most logical thing to do would be to let Alessio (Assistant Manager) take over until the ban is lifted. The change would not be too too dramatic.
Also what happened, happened at Siena not Juve but of course the uneducated outnumber the educated.
Also what happened, happened at Siena not Juve but of course the uneducated outnumber the educated.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
To some people please atleast read those football-Italia articles posted in this thread before talking rubbish..Cant help but feel annoyed when there is just too much ignorance going around here.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
kiranr wrote:
No it does not, because he said he would accept it only on the strict condition that it was not an admission to guilt.
Atleast, it is not absolutely sure as you guys are making.
Sir Psycho wrote:If it's a three month ban than the most logical thing to do would be to let Alessio (Assistant Manager) take over until the ban is lifted. The change would not be too too dramatic.
Also what happened, happened at Siena not Juve but of course the uneducated outnumber the educated.
Thank you guys..finally some people talking utmost sense !
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