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Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
by BarrileteCosmico Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:55 pm
Since Conte was willing to take a reduced punishment he pretty much indirectly admitted that there's enough evidence to ban him. Therefore, he probably will get banned for at least a year.
Who should Juve get in between? And should Juve stick by someone that didn't act when he had knowledge of cheating - not exactly the best way for Juve to clean their image after their previous scandal.
Who should Juve get in between? And should Juve stick by someone that didn't act when he had knowledge of cheating - not exactly the best way for Juve to clean their image after their previous scandal.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
by Le Samourai Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:56 pm
Ranieri hopefully 
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:59 pm
He's only banned from the touchline, he will still coach the team i.e. training, give pre-match team talks and speak to the media.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
by BarrileteCosmico Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:05 pm
What kind of "ban" is that? The FIGC would be a laughing stock if that is the case.
I was more under the impression that it would be a Moggi-like ban, where he would be banned from all activities in football.
I was more under the impression that it would be a Moggi-like ban, where he would be banned from all activities in football.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
by Onyx Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:07 pm
Juventus coach Antonio Conte is facing a 15-month ban after being denied a plea bargain for his involvement in an Italian match-fixing scandal.
Conte's offer of a three-month ban was rejected by an Italian soccer federation (FIGC) tribunal Wednesday, and he was told Thursday that the court will not accept any plea bargain.
Conte, who led Juventus to the Serie A title last season, is accused of failing to report match-fixing in two games during the 2010-11 season when he was coach of then-Serie B team Siena.
Siena goalkeeping coach Marco Savaroni and fitness coach Giorgio D'Urbano will serve 23-week bans.
Juventus president Andrea Agnelli said in a statement that "The various sentences show enormous contradictions...this can't be accepted."
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/seriea/story/_/id/8226373?
Conte's offer of a three-month ban was rejected by an Italian soccer federation (FIGC) tribunal Wednesday, and he was told Thursday that the court will not accept any plea bargain.
Conte, who led Juventus to the Serie A title last season, is accused of failing to report match-fixing in two games during the 2010-11 season when he was coach of then-Serie B team Siena.
Siena goalkeeping coach Marco Savaroni and fitness coach Giorgio D'Urbano will serve 23-week bans.
Juventus president Andrea Agnelli said in a statement that "The various sentences show enormous contradictions...this can't be accepted."
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/seriea/story/_/id/8226373?
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:09 pm
BarrileteCosmico wrote:What kind of "ban" is that? The FIGC would be a laughing stock if that is the case.
That's what the old Juve guys told me anyway.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
by S Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:23 pm
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:BarrileteCosmico wrote:What kind of "ban" is that? The FIGC would be a laughing stock if that is the case.
That's what the old Juve guys told me anyway.
If its a 15 month ban i seriously dont see such a situation transpiring,practically speaking,i mean its 15 goddamn months..
We'll probably hire a new coach if thats the case..
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
by S Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:44 pm
Surag wrote:Conte's Stand
here's a FI writer pretty much talking about how flawed Italy's legal system is.Really good read
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Let me be clear, lest many stop reading this blog already and accuse me of white-washing history: I am not a Juventus supporter and I am most certainly not accusing the FIGC of creating some anti-Bianconeri conspiracy stretching back to Calciopoli. That would be daft. What I am saying is that Conte’s situation is a perfect example of why the current system does not work. It could easily be argued it is also a sign of a wider problem within the Italian civil justice system, but that is for another day.
The evidence against Conte is simple – former Siena player Filippo Carobbio claims the Coach said in a team meeting that results were ‘secured’ against Albinoleffe and Novara during the 2010-11 Serie B campaign. That is the entirety of the evidence. One man’s word. This man who had already been caught in contact with betting syndicates and confessed with the promise of bringing bigger names to the prosecutor in exchange for a large discount on his own punishment.
This issue of the ‘pentiti’ – penitents – has been a problem throughout the civil justice system for several decades, most notably in the 1980s and 90s when high-profile showbiz celebrities were dragged through the mud simply because they were named by Mafia underlings who wanted a discount on their sentences. After lengthy trials and even spells in prison, those innocent figures were cleared of all wrong-doing.
Juventus launched a scathing attack on the system, suggesting it protected confessed criminals more than those who profess their innocence. That is without a shadow of a doubt true. The Italian approach to justice seems to consider you guilty until you can prove your innocence, which is somewhat difficult when it’s one man’s word against another.
Except in Conte’s case, it is one man’s word against 24 others. The other players who were in that Siena team meeting all testified that the Coach never mentioned or alluded to ‘fixed’ results. Their testimony has been discarded by the prosecutor. As Conte is charged with failing to alert authorities to something untoward, then either he is innocent or the other 23 players are lying and should also be charged. The fact those ex-Siena men have not been charged just makes the whole thing look completely meaningless.
The prosecutor in his own way already showed he doubts Carobbio’s testimony. After all, Carobbio originally accused Conte of something that would amount to sporting fraud, but the prosecutor realised it wouldn’t stick and opted for the less serious ‘failing to alert authorities.’ This way, the prosecutor has cherry-picked which parts of Carobbio’s story to believe. Why? Either he is a credible witness or he isn’t, you can’t rest an entire case on half-believing a testimony. The more you look at what evidence Conte has against him, the more you can see why he is so angry.
I welcome Conte and Juventus standing up to the prosecutor and the Disciplinary Commission, demanding to see them make a case out of this pitiful evidence. Maybe it will have repercussions throughout this and future sporting trials that risk ruining careers without genuine proof. It might also discourage the dawn raids on people’s houses and training grounds when they have repeatedly offered to testify and been ignored.
Some of you will say, but Conte accepted a plea bargain, so isn’t that an admission of guilt? Not in Italy it isn’t. The justice system is insanely long – so that we are still seeing rulings made on Calciopoli six years later in numerous courts of appeal. It has become a tacit agreement that it suits all parties to just work out a plea bargain and get it over with, saving everyone time and money. This is especially true in the civil courts, where the vast majority of people handed prison sentences don’t ever sit behind bars. Again, this was thanks to a law passed because there was not enough space in the jails. As I said, it is a very strange system in Italy.
Many Juventini, including President Andrea Agnelli, will take this as an opportunity to get payback for Calciopoli. With hindsight and the benefit of wiretapped Inter phone calls that were somehow completely ignored at the time of the trial, Juve could’ve fought those charges a lot harder. It’s not so much that they were innocent – they weren’t – but rather that Luciano Moggi had a point when he said everyone was doing it. The wiretaps showed less of a Juve-led cabal and more of a general moaning towards the referees from all quarters.
In any case, including Calciopoli in this legal battle risks muddying the waters. Conte’s situation is entirely separate and must be treated as such, otherwise people will get swept up in the usual club rivalries and ignore the evidence. It suits everyone to change the current sporting justice system, because sooner or later any of the clubs could find themselves forced to prove innocence when guilt is assumed.
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Re: Who should Juve get to replace Conte?
by 7amood11 Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:54 pm
This thread is a bit too early to make predictions, we don't even know how long his sentence will be (if there will be one).
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by RealGunner Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:07 pm
Really hope he walks out without any charges. Serie A n Juve needs him
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by jibers Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:28 pm
He shouldn' get charged. This is a borderline disgrace tbh.
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by zarola Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:31 pm
jibers wrote:He shouldn' get charged. This is a borderline disgrace tbh.
yeah how disgraceful for the FIGC to punish cheating
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by Luca Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:36 pm
zarola wrote:jibers wrote:He shouldn' get charged. This is a borderline disgrace tbh.
yeah how disgraceful for the FIGC to punish cheating
Negligence; he's being charged for his failure to report from what I know
In any case, if true he should be punished
Just unfortunate for Juventus, but I'm not sympathetic for Conte in any way, shape or form
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by jibers Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:41 pm
zarola wrote:jibers wrote:He shouldn' get charged. This is a borderline disgrace tbh.
yeah how disgraceful for the FIGC to punish cheating
So 24 out of 25 people say that Conte knew nothing about it, and they disregard the evidence? Get real. This is clearly just a show trial. There is no evidence to back up anything, ut as usual the FIGC don't give a shit and will do anything to make Juves life a living hell. Farcical
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by S Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:45 pm
And lets not forget they're considering a crook's(Carrobbio's) evidence as real evidence and dismissing the 24 other witnessess' who say Conte knew nothing about it.
Read that article i posted above..
Read that article i posted above..
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by izzy Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:45 pm
jibers wrote:zarola wrote:jibers wrote:He shouldn' get charged. This is a borderline disgrace tbh.
yeah how disgraceful for the FIGC to punish cheating
So 24 out of 25 people say that Conte knew nothing about it, and they disregard the evidence? Get real. This is clearly just a show trial. There is no evidence to back up anything, ut as usual the FIGC don't give a shit and will do anything to make Juves life a living hell. Farcical
Then why the plea attempt from conte?
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by CroInter Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:46 pm
jibers wrote:zarola wrote:jibers wrote:He shouldn' get charged. This is a borderline disgrace tbh.
yeah how disgraceful for the FIGC to punish cheating
So 24 out of 25 people say that Conte knew nothing about it, and they disregard the evidence? Get real. This is clearly just a show trial. There is no evidence to back up anything, ut as usual the FIGC don't give a shit and will do anything to make Juves life a living hell. Farcical
Maybe 24 are saving their ass? Coz if they say he knew then they knew, then they are fckd too. Think.
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by jibers Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:58 pm
izzy wrote:jibers wrote:zarola wrote:jibers wrote:He shouldn' get charged. This is a borderline disgrace tbh.
yeah how disgraceful for the FIGC to punish cheating
So 24 out of 25 people say that Conte knew nothing about it, and they disregard the evidence? Get real. This is clearly just a show trial. There is no evidence to back up anything, ut as usual the FIGC don't give a shit and will do anything to make Juves life a living hell. Farcical
Then why the plea attempt from conte?
Gte it over with? 3 months is not that big a deal. But 15 months? You mad?
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by izzy Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:03 pm
jibers wrote:Gte it over with? 3 months is not that big a deal. But 15 months? You mad?
Yeah..........................No.
So Conte thought, 'I'll tarnish my name, be forever known as a cheat, be part of the Italian match-fixing problem but at least it will be over with quickly'.
Ok then. Makes sense.
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by Die Borussen Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:04 pm
this was the coach who deserved the coach of the year award ahead of mou
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by izzy Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:09 pm
deadrave wrote:this was the coach who deserved the coach of the year award ahead of mou
Uhmm, he does deserve it. Him or Kloppo.
But his exploits with Juve have nothing to do with this thread so what is your point?
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by Die Borussen Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:16 pm
my mistake, wasnt well informed about the match-fixing
i thought it benefited him for his success
i thought it benefited him for his success
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