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Post by baresi Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:08 am

Not excited a bit, we have had enough of "talents" that never really showed up, I really don't get it how can some of us still be excited about our primavera players, can anyone name any achievement for them as teams? MDS might be the only decent product in the last 15 years.

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Post by Guest Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:06 am

baresi wrote:Not excited  a bit, we have had enough of "talents" that never really showed up, I really don't get it how can some of us still be excited about our primavera players, can anyone name any achievement for them as teams? MDS might be the only decent product in the last 15 years.

i totally agree. our youth has been horrendously outlooked and just too overhyped because we used to have legendary players playing during that time. and everyone thought oh we will probably have better players coming from youth.

though, i feel hachim mastour is exception because, he has in fact shown in both youth and international level the quality, and he can individually control the complexity of the game on his own. and the fact that, arrigo sacchi saw something in him and pushed galliani to sign him pronto shows that he should be one who really should be straight at first team.

we all though defended mastour that he should grow with time and not force him straight at first team.

i actually believe in mastour more than any youth players i have seen since like maldini baresi days.

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Post by Eivindo Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:28 pm

We so much need a player like this, but can you imagine all those sleepless nights when a new summer comes along with sheik clubs bidding? :S
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Post by farfan Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:01 am

so , any news about the kid?
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Post by Casciavit Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:44 pm

He made his debut coming off the bench, for the primavera a few weeks back.
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Post by Casciavit Tue May 13, 2014 7:27 pm

Official member of the first team now.

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Post by The Franchise Wed May 14, 2014 12:29 am

I am a believer. His talent is real, I can feel it.

Its his awareness of time and space. It will translate.
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Post by Xifio Wed May 14, 2014 7:15 pm

everyone knows that he's supposed to be a wonderkid, and we've all seen the youtube clips over the last couple of years (when Milan asked for permission to include a then 14 year old in the first team) ... but it's actually happening now ... if you're in line to make your senior debut at age 15 for Milan, it means you're a once-in-a-generation player, and that's a lot of pressure ... for the sake of Italian football, I really hope he succeeds ...
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Post by Casciavit Wed May 14, 2014 8:11 pm

Here's what Pete Acquaviva had to say when he watched him last year:

Milan spent a record fee for a player of Mastour’s age making him the most talked-about signing of the Rossoneri’s youth revolution. But that’s just a transfer. The Rossoneri are upgrading the facilities, putting tens of millions of euros into the youth system each year now, hoping to restore the glory of a youth academy that used to churn out world-class talents that need no introduction. Over the last decade or two though, the youth fell down the pecking order, and the most notable graduates of the last several years, Ignazio Abate and Luca Antonini are some of the only ones to hit the first team of Milan. Adriano Galliani says that Milan hope to come out of the Financial Fair Play era with a sustainable Milan, and that means bringing players from the youth ranks to the first team. Mastour is playing with the Allievi I/II Division, a year younger than the side he normally plays with, Pippo’s Allievi Nazionali. Even though he’s still younger than the majority of the players on the field, he towers over many of the others, whom are going through various stages of puberty.

Mastour is incredibly talented, and he knows it. Warmups began with the Brazilian warmup of two lines jogging and stretching, and shortly thereafter the groups break down into fours and these pods warm up with some passing exercises which give way to brief one on one warmups. This shows the technical ability of some of the players – the defenders opting to make a simple feint and cut, while attackers perform stepovers and more complicated moves. None try what Mastour does though, on his second attempt he successfully rainbows the ball over his teammate, cooly brings the ball down, and gets back in line. He tries the move three other times, but none looked as good as his first success.It’s a midweek friendly, and many of the more talented individuals have been called up to the Allievi Nazionali side who have an important match coming up against Chievo, the side four points ahead of third placed Milan in the table.  Nonetheless, this is a match in which the overlooked players get their chance to play, and the motivation is apparent in some. Mastour doesn’t seem particularly invigorated today though, after all, he’s just coming back from an injury. It only takes a minute, maybe two, for the opening goal. Crociata, a young Sicilian player (and probably the most motivated player on the pitch – to the point of over-exhuberance winning the ball back at any cost) is waiting on the edge of the offsides line and breaks forward with a well timed run, dribbling to the byline. He cuts back, and plays a ball right to the feet of Mastour, who from the penalty spot fakes a shot to the right, shifting the two defenders, and then shoots low and left, beating the keeper. It seemed effortless from Mastour, and this goal settled his nerves.Mastour had lost the ball the first two or three times he was in possession, prompting me to think, “Well, maybe he’s just rusty after such a long layoff..” Losing the ball seemed to motivate him though, and after his goal, Mastour began to dance. When he dribbles, he has the ball on a string. I haven’t seen someone with his sort of control since (and I don’t make this comparison lightly, Andrés Iniesta). Mastour rolls the ball, waits for the defender to mentally commit, and then glides, and I mean glides by his man, only inches away from an outstretched leg. Mastour is so confident though that he doesn’t just beat one man at a time, he takes on a defender, steps past him, then takes on another, moving the ball to places that only he can reach while bypassing player after player.

His first touch is immaculate, he always intelligently has the ball close to him, but away from the defender, close enough often so that the defender will bite and try to grab it, and by the time they decide to make their move, they’ve already been beaten. Halftime at the friendly sees the scoreline reading three to nil, and little scent of a comeback from the visitors.
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Post by Casciavit Wed May 14, 2014 8:28 pm

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Post by Dante Wed May 14, 2014 8:49 pm

I just hope he gets to work and improve in peace . Dat hyping by all has gone through the roof , i sincerely hope it doesn't affect him as a person .

It's true he's very talented and quite capable for his young age. That he's with Milan whilst being this young is no small feat. Yet i remind myself of Pato and i would hate to watch a repeat. Not the injuries . I talk about the hype and expectations that he was baptised with , ever since he arrived at Milan. And it did make things even more difficult for him.

Mastour should be seen as a talented youngster and nothing more , untill the day comes that he actually proves he has become more than that. It's crystal clear he's ridiculously good for his age and his play is really awesome , but it doesn't mean much yet , it doesn't mean anything if you ask me.

He will need maturity to make it at Milan and most important of all , nobody should put pressure on him . Whenever he's ready. We will find out exactly what he can become when that time comes .
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Post by Eivindo Thu May 15, 2014 5:20 pm

Casciavit wrote:Here's what Pete Acquaviva had to say when he watched him last year:

Milan spent a record fee for a player of Mastour’s age making him the most talked-about signing of the Rossoneri’s youth revolution. But that’s just a transfer. The Rossoneri are upgrading the facilities, putting tens of millions of euros into the youth system each year now, hoping to restore the glory of a youth academy that used to churn out world-class talents that need no introduction. Over the last decade or two though, the youth fell down the pecking order, and the most notable graduates of the last several years, Ignazio Abate and Luca Antonini are some of the only ones to hit the first team of Milan. Adriano Galliani says that Milan hope to come out of the Financial Fair Play era with a sustainable Milan, and that means bringing players from the youth ranks to the first team. Mastour is playing with the Allievi I/II Division, a year younger than the side he normally plays with, Pippo’s Allievi Nazionali. Even though he’s still younger than the majority of the players on the field, he towers over many of the others, whom are going through various stages of puberty.

Mastour is incredibly talented, and he knows it. Warmups began with the Brazilian warmup of two lines jogging and stretching, and shortly thereafter the groups break down into fours and these pods warm up with some passing exercises which give way to brief one on one warmups. This shows the technical ability of some of the players – the defenders opting to make a simple feint and cut, while attackers perform stepovers and more complicated moves. None try what Mastour does though, on his second attempt he successfully rainbows the ball over his teammate, cooly brings the ball down, and gets back in line. He tries the move three other times, but none looked as good as his first success.It’s a midweek friendly, and many of the more talented individuals have been called up to the Allievi Nazionali side who have an important match coming up against Chievo, the side four points ahead of third placed Milan in the table.  Nonetheless, this is a match in which the overlooked players get their chance to play, and the motivation is apparent in some. Mastour doesn’t seem particularly invigorated today though, after all, he’s just coming back from an injury. It only takes a minute, maybe two, for the opening goal. Crociata, a young Sicilian player (and probably the most motivated player on the pitch – to the point of over-exhuberance winning the ball back at any cost) is waiting on the edge of the offsides line and breaks forward with a well timed run, dribbling to the byline. He cuts back, and plays a ball right to the feet of Mastour, who from the penalty spot fakes a shot to the right, shifting the two defenders, and then shoots low and left, beating the keeper. It seemed effortless from Mastour, and this goal settled his nerves.Mastour had lost the ball the first two or three times he was in possession, prompting me to think, “Well, maybe he’s just rusty after such a long layoff..” Losing the ball seemed to motivate him though, and after his goal, Mastour began to dance. When he dribbles, he has the ball on a string. I haven’t seen someone with his sort of control since (and I don’t make this comparison lightly, Andrés Iniesta). Mastour rolls the ball, waits for the defender to mentally commit, and then glides, and I mean glides by his man, only inches away from an outstretched leg. Mastour is so confident though that he doesn’t just beat one man at a time, he takes on a defender, steps past him, then takes on another, moving the ball to places that only he can reach while bypassing player after player.

His first touch is immaculate, he always intelligently has the ball close to him, but away from the defender, close enough often so that the defender will bite and try to grab it, and by the time they decide to make their move, they’ve already been beaten. Halftime at the friendly sees the scoreline reading three to nil, and little scent of a comeback from the visitors.

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Post by Dante Fri May 16, 2014 12:26 pm

they have invested big in the youth ranks. It is true . Youth ranks isn't only the Primavera or the alievi , or the money for Mastour. There's countless small academies which accept kids of all ages to play and learn about football and Milan either owns these completely or is in collaboration with such academies. I even learned/saw quite a few pop up in Greece and they collaborate with Milan . Meaning there can be particular tournaments which can lead to Milan for a tour or to watch a match or even testing some of the best talents of the academy , particular training and sporting methods that apparently come from Milan and obviously if any rare talent emerges , Milan has the chance to know about it straight away .

How do you think Arsenal or Porto or Barcelona e.t.c do it? They spread all over in foreign countries with projects like this , can't even guess how many such academies they must have in their countries alone. Arsenal has a collaboration with an academy here where i live , lol . Arsenal has to be the best in the business , if i am told right . ( i know the dude who runs it from common friends )

Said club gets the chance to know about some great talents before others , even though most top clubs do that anyway.  Kids grow up having a bond for Milan , from wherever they come from and becoming better at football in a proper way , which Milan wins from that too if some (even if one) of them is made for bigger things.  

Milan did progress in that and i am certain there are much more that we won't hear about , but the fruits of all this won't be evident any time soon . Rome wasn't build in a day.
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Post by Guest Sun May 18, 2014 9:56 pm

gutted he didnt get to play...


 Sad even though he is just 15, still wanted to see him play

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Post by Rossonero23 Sun May 18, 2014 10:12 pm

haha galliani is the master of deception. can't stand the shit head
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Post by Dante Wed May 21, 2014 2:04 pm

well , it's not exactly shit head's fault Mexes got a red card.. Laughing
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Post by Arquitecto Wed May 21, 2014 8:42 pm

Rossonero 23 really is our section clown. Laughing

And hey hey, easy on Sexés.
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Post by M99 Wed May 21, 2014 8:48 pm

I think the Milan section is too easy on him, Mexes has declined to a bloody mess. Better than Zapata but still a terrible mess of a defender and player. We are doomed if he continues to be a starter.
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Post by Casciavit Wed May 21, 2014 8:49 pm

Tbf, Balotelli was waiting to come on before Mexes' red card. I don't think Seedorf had any plans to actually play Mastour.

PR stunt.
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Post by Forza Thu May 22, 2014 7:08 am

M99 wrote:I think the Milan section is too easy on him, Mexes has declined to a bloody mess. Better than Zapata but still a terrible mess of a defender and player. We are doomed if he continues to be a starter.
Obviously I haven't ranted about him enough lately. Laughing
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Post by Forza Thu May 22, 2014 7:08 am

Casciavit wrote:Tbf, Balotelli was waiting to come on before Mexes' red card. I don't think Seedorf had any plans to actually play Mastour.

PR stunt.
Completely agree. It didn't even enter into my mind before the game that Mastour might play.
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Post by Dante Thu May 22, 2014 1:41 pm

Forza wrote:
M99 wrote:I think the Milan section is too easy on him, Mexes has declined to a bloody mess. Better than Zapata but still a terrible mess of a defender and player. We are doomed if he continues to be a starter.
Obviously I haven't ranted about him enough lately. Laughing

Laughing

He's declining ever after his long absence in mid season , though he did have a few good games , normally. It's Milan's last chance to make money out of Mexes and i think it's the right time. However , the thought of having Zapata and Bonera as immediate backups scares me. I would preffer Mexes to that. Nevertheless , we are never so lucky. It will either be Mexes starter , or sold and Bonera-Zapata backups.

I'm dead certain it will be one or the other .
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Post by Lord Spencer Thu May 22, 2014 1:46 pm

Hopefully Mexes gets sold, we need to save money for our Serie B campaign the season after the next.
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Post by Dante Thu May 22, 2014 1:51 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:Hopefully Mexes gets sold, we need to save money for our Serie B campaign the season after the next.

true dat Proud 
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Post by dostoevsky Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:07 pm

As expected, Hachim Mastour signed his first professional contract with Milan on his 16th birthday.

The creative midfielder is such a star of the youth team that he has already received his first call-up to the senior squad, sitting on the bench for a Serie A match against Sassuolo.

Milan released a statement confirming Mastour had marked his 16th birthday by signing his first professional football contract.

The deal holds him to the Rossoneri until June 30 2017.

In Italy players cannot sign professional contracts until they come of age, which has led to many young talents going abroad when poached by clubs operating under different rules.

Mastour is such a promising player that he has already filmed a series of adverts alongside Brazil hero Neymar.

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Source: http://www.football-italia.net/50568/milan-officially-sign-mastour
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:28 pm

I don't know how he's going to fit in a 4-3-3 (going by the reports), maybe use him in an Iniesta-like role? hmm
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