Jay29 wrote:

Unique wrote:

Jay29 wrote:If you've watched England at all throughout qualifying you'd know Wilshere was one of their best performers. He's not going because of some hokey potential, but because in an England shirt he always performs.

and if you have watched England at all you would know that how England perform in a easy qualifying group has nothing to do with how they play in the eoros/world cup propper

So we should leave out all the players that performed well during qualifying because it's an easy group?

Hodgson should get stick for some things but picking players that he knows performs for him, works well in the systems he plans to play and has good on-pitch relationships with other players over some players who have two months of decent PL form is not one of them.

no I'm not saying that. I'm saying don't think a player will do well just because they looked good in a easy group.

Art Morte wrote:

RealGunner wrote:Why would we drop Wilshere? Doesn't matter if he has 1 app or 2. He is still our best midfielder.

Who would go instead? Delph or Noble?

What makes Wilshere so great exactly? He's always been about potential that he's never reached. Offensively his best PL season is 3 goals and 4 assists. To put that in perspective, Henderson has bettered that in four PL seasons, Noble five times and Milner seven times.

Best technical midfielder we have by a mile. Can actually control the ball and not chase his first touch across france unlike 90% in the squad. Most creative midfielder we have. Best dribbler we have in midfield. Can actually pass the ball forward instead of backwards or sideways.

Been our best midfielder in qualifiers.

No reason not to take him.

Some of you guys would rather have a midfield of Drinkwater-Dier-Noble just because they have had a great season in the PL. Same PL where Leicester are champions, reigning champions Chelsea are in midtable and West ham are finishing 3 points below the top 4.

No wonder we do shit in tournaments. 'hard working' 'great inform players from shit clubs' being preferred over players who actually belong at the Euros amongst the elite

Unique wrote:

Jay29 wrote:

Unique wrote:

Jay29 wrote:If you've watched England at all throughout qualifying you'd know Wilshere was one of their best performers. He's not going because of some hokey potential, but because in an England shirt he always performs.

and if you have watched England at all you would know that how England perform in a easy qualifying group has nothing to do with how they play in the eoros/world cup propper

So we should leave out all the players that performed well during qualifying because it's an easy group?

Hodgson should get stick for some things but picking players that he knows performs for him, works well in the systems he plans to play and has good on-pitch relationships with other players over some players who have two months of decent PL form is not one of them.

no I'm not saying that. I'm saying don't think a player will do well just because they looked good in a easy group.

So what kind of players will do well then?

RealGunner wrote:

Art Morte wrote:

RealGunner wrote:Why would we drop Wilshere? Doesn't matter if he has 1 app or 2. He is still our best midfielder.

Who would go instead? Delph or Noble?

What makes Wilshere so great exactly? He's always been about potential that he's never reached. Offensively his best PL season is 3 goals and 4 assists. To put that in perspective, Henderson has bettered that in four PL seasons, Noble five times and Milner seven times.

Best technical midfielder we have by a mile. Can actually control the ball and not chase his first touch across france unlike 90% in the squad. Most creative midfielder we have. Best dribbler we have in midfield. Can actually pass the ball forward instead of backwards or sideways.

Been our best midfielder in qualifiers.

No reason not to take him.

Some of you guys would rather have a midfield of Drinkwater-Dier-Noble just because they have had a great season in the PL. Same PL where Leicester are champions, reigning champions Chelsea are in midtable and West ham are finishing 3 points below the top 4.

No wonder we do shit in tournaments. 'hard working' 'great inform players from shit clubs' being preferred over players who actually belong at the Euros amongst the elite

and there is that club bias I was talking about

RealGunner wrote:

Unique wrote:

Jay29 wrote:

So we should leave out all the players that performed well during qualifying because it's an easy group?

Hodgson should get stick for some things but picking players that he knows performs for him, works well in the systems he plans to play and has good on-pitch relationships with other players over some players who have two months of decent PL form is not one of them.

no I'm not saying that. I'm saying don't think a player will do well just because they looked good in a easy group.

So what kind of players will do well then?

I doubt any of them will do well tbh. but imo we should play fit players that are on the back of a good season where possible. no point picking a player because he had a good game 2 years ago.

England XI vs. Turkey: Hart, Walker, Cahill, Stones, Rose, Dier, Wilshere, Alli, Sterling, Vardy, Kane.

I like that midfield.

Yea same. Decent attack too.

Shame about the back 4

Although I'm unsure on the forwards, we'll see how it goes.

Apparently it's 4-3-3 and not 4-3-1-2.

That'd be my first choice midfield though.

Rooney will probably take Wilshere's place.

Really think he's going to copy Van Gaal with the whole Roonay in mf thing lol? I hope not.

A way to play Kane and rooney in the same team? Roy must be glad LVG is playing rooney in midfield lol



how come Emirates never host england matches?

Good to see the Emptihad is living up to its name.

And we should be 1-0 up already lol.

Kane what a finish

1-0!!

1-0. Kane. Alli assist. Looked offside.

The lulz when Rooney is playing as the 9 against Russia.

Looked miles offside

Should be 1-1.

This England team will keep zero clean sheets.

RealGunner wrote:A way to play Kane and rooney in the same team? Roy must be glad LVG is playing rooney in midfield lol



how come Emirates never host england matches?

I'd rather he not play at all tbh.

England looks good but that was waaaaay offside

HAKAN pls come at Arsenal


1-1

1-1. Calhanoglu.

Ozyakup just split our whole defence open. Rose' positioning

Rose

We are never going to keep a clean sheet

Probably will be a fun watch for the neutrals.

We could do with calming things down and keeping the ball a bit more. Wilshere and Alli barely seeing it in midfield.

Dier could be a fraud


watch this space