The Top 10 Young Spaniards playing in La Liga

free_cat wrote:

Lord Hispano wrote:I would have put Muniain on top Tbh. Yeah he's been a bit dry in front of goal in the past games despite the clear chances he's had. I think he's just come back from his dry spell. If he can get 7-10 goals by the end of the season then I'd think it would be fair to say he's gotten past the dry spell.

Off course you would have put Muniain on top. There is no Madrid player who is got enough to claim that he should be #1 without looking a fool, so you, being a hard closet Madrid fan, would put any player at #1 before a Barça player.

Lord Hispano wrote:

free_cat wrote:

Lord Hispano wrote:I would have put Muniain on top Tbh. Yeah he's been a bit dry in front of goal in the past games despite the clear chances he's had. I think he's just come back from his dry spell. If he can get 7-10 goals by the end of the season then I'd think it would be fair to say he's gotten past the dry spell.

Off course you would have put Muniain on top. There is no Madrid player who is got enough to claim that he should be #1 without looking a fool, so you, being a hard closet Madrid fan, would put any player at #1 before a Barça player.

You mean there's no Valencia player at that level.

It's not like I think putting in Thiago Alcantara is exagerated or anything. It's pretty close between the two. I've stated my reason as to why I think he should be top as well and I think it's acceptable.

Why you hatin' bro?

Crimson wrote:

EarlyPrototype wrote:Muniain should be number 1. The guy made a name for himself at the age of 16 and has always been an important player for Bilbao. 107 app and he is still 19. He is a starter whereas Thiago isn't. Atm Muniain deserves to be no.1.

But seriously what has Munian done about from a few glimpses of brilliance and terrible inconsistency?

Thiago has managed to break through and get some starts in what is the best midfield in the world

Munian would not even have a chance at Barcelona, even with the squad depth.

Munain has what two goals and two assists in 20 odd starts this season? And that's in the team with the third most goals in LigaBBVA mind you.

Thiago on the other had has three assists and a goal to his name in half as many starts and playing a less advanced role.

But that does not even scratch the surface, Munian averages 1.4 key passes per game and has an overall pass completion rate of 82.8% but only avgs 39 passes per game in the 3rd highest passing team in LigaBBVA.
In 20 starts Munian has had a total of 830 passes.

Compared to Thiago who has had 11 starts, he has managed 1200 passes (400 more than Munian in half the time) a 93.3% pass completion rate and a average of over 70 passes per game (double that of Munian). On top of that he has avg 1 key pass per game.

Now where Munian dazzles and amazes, dribbling the ball Munian avgs 1.6 successful dribbles per game, not much more than the 1.1 of Thiago.

Then to top it all off despite receiving much less of the ball and passing alot less of the ball Munian is dispossessed 2.8 times per game and on top of that turns the ball over 1.5 times per game.

Thiago in comparison is dispossessed 1.5 times per game and avgs just 0.6 turnovers.

Then to top it all off again, Thiago also avgs 2.3 tackles per game and 1.5 interceptions per game, in comparison Munian avgs 1.3 tackles and 1.6 interceptions

In every area Thiago is better and provides more.

Don't get me wrong Munian can be impressive at times but not all the time. Every time Thiago has played he has never put in a poor performance, not always brilliant but very very consistent.

And to kill off the debate this is Munians 3rd season in La Liga, despite his age he has a ton of experience on Thiago in the top flight and yet Thiago shows up like he's been playing in LigaBBVA for the last 10 years.

free_cat wrote:Cause you go around all "neutral" and "cool" but in the end all your posts are utterly predictable and biased. You should at least throw away your mask and show yourself as a Real Madrid fan. We all know that in a CL final Valencia with Madrid, you would be supporting the latter.

free_cat wrote:Cause you go around all "neutral" and "cool" but in the end all your posts are utterly predictable and biased. You should at least throw away your mask and show yourself as a Real Madrid fan. We all know that in a CL final Valencia with Madrid, you would be supporting the latter.

izzy wrote:

free_cat wrote:Cause you go around all "neutral" and "cool" but in the end all your posts are utterly predictable and biased. You should at least throw away your mask and show yourself as a Real Madrid fan. We all know that in a CL final Valencia with Madrid, you would be supporting the latter.

Doc wrote:Ironically, Che (the other Valencia fan) has been told the same thing The Liberated Feline wrote to Hispano.

Crimson wrote:

EarlyPrototype wrote:Muniain should be number 1. The guy made a name for himself at the age of 16 and has always been an important player for Bilbao. 107 app and he is still 19. He is a starter whereas Thiago isn't. Atm Muniain deserves to be no.1.

But seriously what has Munian done about from a few glimpses of brilliance and terrible inconsistency?

Thiago has managed to break through and get some starts in what is the best midfield in the world

Munian would not even have a chance at Barcelona, even with the squad depth.

Munain has what two goals and two assists in 20 odd starts this season? And that's in the team with the third most goals in LigaBBVA mind you.

Thiago on the other had has three assists and a goal to his name in half as many starts and playing a less advanced role.

But that does not even scratch the surface, Munian averages 1.4 key passes per game and has an overall pass completion rate of 82.8% but only avgs 39 passes per game in the 3rd highest passing team in LigaBBVA.
In 20 starts Munian has had a total of 830 passes.

Compared to Thiago who has had 11 starts, he has managed 1200 passes (400 more than Munian in half the time) a 93.3% pass completion rate and a average of over 70 passes per game (double that of Munian). On top of that he has avg 1 key pass per game.

Now where Munian dazzles and amazes, dribbling the ball Munian avgs 1.6 successful dribbles per game, not much more than the 1.1 of Thiago.

Then to top it all off despite receiving much less of the ball and passing alot less of the ball Munian is dispossessed 2.8 times per game and on top of that turns the ball over 1.5 times per game.

Thiago in comparison is dispossessed 1.5 times per game and avgs just 0.6 turnovers.

Then to top it all off again, Thiago also avgs 2.3 tackles per game and 1.5 interceptions per game, in comparison Munian avgs 1.3 tackles and 1.6 interceptions

In every area Thiago is better and provides more.

Don't get me wrong Munian can be impressive at times but not all the time. Every time Thiago has played he has never put in a poor performance, not always brilliant but very very consistent.

And to kill off the debate this is Munians 3rd season in La Liga, despite his age he has a ton of experience on Thiago in the top flight and yet Thiago shows up like he's been playing in LigaBBVA for the last 10 years.

Giggslegend wrote:wtf!! why isnt messi on that list!

Giggslegend wrote:wtf!! why isnt messi on that list!

windkick wrote:

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:Tbh im quite confident wilshere and hazard are more talented based on how the move and control the ball, but that is subjective and people will all have their different perceptions of "talent" . Using the basis that he plays for barcelona isnt good enough though to make a statement like that

I think Hazard is allot more hype than what he deserves but maybe that's just me. I think he is no better than being on Grevinho's level, not on a course to reach Robbens level for example. But we'll see.

Lord Hispano wrote:

Doc wrote:Ironically, Che (the other Valencia fan) has been told the same thing The Liberated Feline wrote to Hispano.

Maybe he said something to the dislike of some Barca fans, which is rare coming from Che to begin with.

Free Cat must have kneejerked on that comment.

Crimson wrote:

EarlyPrototype wrote:Muniain should be number 1. The guy made a name for himself at the age of 16 and has always been an important player for Bilbao. 107 app and he is still 19. He is a starter whereas Thiago isn't. Atm Muniain deserves to be no.1.

But seriously what has Munian done about from a few glimpses of brilliance and terrible inconsistency?

Thiago has managed to break through and get some starts in what is the best midfield in the world

Munian would not even have a chance at Barcelona, even with the squad depth.

Munain has what two goals and two assists in 20 odd starts this season? And that's in the team with the third most goals in LigaBBVA mind you.

Thiago on the other had has three assists and a goal to his name in half as many starts and playing a less advanced role.

But that does not even scratch the surface, Munian averages 1.4 key passes per game and has an overall pass completion rate of 82.8% but only avgs 39 passes per game in the 3rd highest passing team in LigaBBVA.
In 20 starts Munian has had a total of 830 passes.

Compared to Thiago who has had 11 starts, he has managed 1200 passes (400 more than Munian in half the time) a 93.3% pass completion rate and a average of over 70 passes per game (double that of Munian). On top of that he has avg 1 key pass per game.

Now where Munian dazzles and amazes, dribbling the ball Munian avgs 1.6 successful dribbles per game, not much more than the 1.1 of Thiago.

Then to top it all off despite receiving much less of the ball and passing alot less of the ball Munian is dispossessed 2.8 times per game and on top of that turns the ball over 1.5 times per game.

Thiago in comparison is dispossessed 1.5 times per game and avgs just 0.6 turnovers.

Then to top it all off again, Thiago also avgs 2.3 tackles per game and 1.5 interceptions per game, in comparison Munian avgs 1.3 tackles and 1.6 interceptions

In every area Thiago is better and provides more.

Don't get me wrong Munian can be impressive at times but not all the time. Every time Thiago has played he has never put in a poor performance, not always brilliant but very very consistent.

And to kill off the debate this is Munians 3rd season in La Liga, despite his age he has a ton of experience on Thiago in the top flight and yet Thiago shows up like he's been playing in LigaBBVA for the last 10 years.

Arquitecto wrote:

Crimson wrote:

EarlyPrototype wrote:Muniain should be number 1. The guy made a name for himself at the age of 16 and has always been an important player for Bilbao. 107 app and he is still 19. He is a starter whereas Thiago isn't. Atm Muniain deserves to be no.1.

But seriously what has Munian done about from a few glimpses of brilliance and terrible inconsistency?

Thiago has managed to break through and get some starts in what is the best midfield in the world

Munian would not even have a chance at Barcelona, even with the squad depth.

Munain has what two goals and two assists in 20 odd starts this season? And that's in the team with the third most goals in LigaBBVA mind you.

Thiago on the other had has three assists and a goal to his name in half as many starts and playing a less advanced role.

But that does not even scratch the surface, Munian averages 1.4 key passes per game and has an overall pass completion rate of 82.8% but only avgs 39 passes per game in the 3rd highest passing team in LigaBBVA.
In 20 starts Munian has had a total of 830 passes.

Compared to Thiago who has had 11 starts, he has managed 1200 passes (400 more than Munian in half the time) a 93.3% pass completion rate and a average of over 70 passes per game (double that of Munian). On top of that he has avg 1 key pass per game.

Now where Munian dazzles and amazes, dribbling the ball Munian avgs 1.6 successful dribbles per game, not much more than the 1.1 of Thiago.

Then to top it all off despite receiving much less of the ball and passing alot less of the ball Munian is dispossessed 2.8 times per game and on top of that turns the ball over 1.5 times per game.

Thiago in comparison is dispossessed 1.5 times per game and avgs just 0.6 turnovers.

Then to top it all off again, Thiago also avgs 2.3 tackles per game and 1.5 interceptions per game, in comparison Munian avgs 1.3 tackles and 1.6 interceptions

In every area Thiago is better and provides more.

Don't get me wrong Munian can be impressive at times but not all the time. Every time Thiago has played he has never put in a poor performance, not always brilliant but very very consistent.

And to kill off the debate this is Munians 3rd season in La Liga, despite his age he has a ton of experience on Thiago in the top flight and yet Thiago shows up like he's been playing in LigaBBVA for the last 10 years.

I admire your weekly statistical analysis but I'll have to clear a few things up since your letting stats tell a bit too much of the story.

Your saying he has shown only glimpses of brilliance but terrible inconsistency. You couldn't be more wrong here as Muniain is known to us for his superb consistent play and his big game presence. If anything, he is just lazy in smaller games.

Your counting Muniain's goals and assists. I hope you know he isn't a forward. Iker has been playing roles that range from SS, Winger and Trequartista for Bilbao in a system in which Bielsa changes every 2 games for some odd reason.

But..... no Basque's count his stats, its simply the havoc he causes on the pitch. Luis Suarez isn't statistically impressive this season yet every Liverpool fan and the fans of the opposition have been highly impressed by his presence and the fear he strikers in the opposition.

Muniain cannot be measured by stats simply because his play ranges from subtle to overt. The defenders that he troubles and causes to move them out of position through his movement, his visionary playmaking outside and within the box, his chances created, his use of both feet, his laser accurate passing, his pure technique. His play isn't so tangible, but the difference he makes is unpredictable and usually makes the difference for Bilbao or the Selekzioa.

Alcantara plays in a system which harnesses his general and passing play.

I won't further take anything away from Thiago as mentioned above by me, I wouldn't argue him being top, but I feel you have taken to much away from Iker as he is one of Bilbao's best performers almost every time he is on the pitch. This is a boy who is what, 18-19?

Wouldn't even get into Barca bench? I'm sure Sanchez and Pedro or Cuenca are so much better than him atm. Give me a break

He is just so so complete and the scary thing is he is in a relatively early stage of development.

Thiago has probably proven more through some aspects, but as for talent, that is quite arguable. Muniain constantly comes through when his team needs him in performance and steps it up in the big stage almost all the time.

EarlyPrototype wrote:

Giggslegend wrote:wtf!! why isnt messi on that list!

1- He is 24
2- He is not Spanish

Arquitecto wrote:First, I really really do NOT see at all how Montoya and especially Deulofeu are above Montoya as Sarabia has proven to be more influential in the teams he plays along especially for the younger Espana teams. Montoya and Deulofeu have been doing it in the segunda and don't deserve such praise.


As for the rest, I would put Iker above Thiago, but would completely understand on why he is first. Also, I don't understand how Jese and especially Morata aren't in there.

Adit wrote:

Doc wrote:Remember Adit, this is a subjective point of view and should not be taken as the be all and end all. I personally did not like how the writer made it out be like Thiago is the most talented out of the age group just because he gets some games for Barcelona but it doesn't change the fact that he is really talented and would be number 1 in several top 10 La Liga talents solely based on that.

Yes, Munian is very much more important to Athletic than Thiago is to Barcelona however let's not make it a big deal. One warrants the "top spot" as much as the other. I do have some issues with Deulofeu being there though...

I dont deny Thiago is talented but one has 107 appearances and most of them very important matches too and more importantly he is doing excellent at his role . while thiago barely played 30 matches and 15 of them as subs and dead wood matches..i wouldnt place thiago above Munian now, since both players has done well but Munian is far more proven.

Franchise is making as if Munian is rated above solely on his number of appearances lol,its not the case mofo.Its combination of performance,Importance to the team and number of games.

Khaledbarca wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:First, I really really do NOT see at all how Montoya and especially Deulofeu are above Montoya as Sarabia has proven to be more influential in the teams he plays along especially for the younger Espana teams. Montoya and Deulofeu have been doing it in the segunda and don't deserve such praise.


As for the rest, I would put Iker above Thiago, but would completely understand on why he is first. Also, I don't understand how Jese and especially Morata aren't in there.

didn't u contradict your self in this comment?

Jese? Morata? they are playing in 3rd division.. didn't have a single appearance this season with 1st team ! So?

at least Deulofeu (17) & Montoya (20) are playing in 2nd division [Segunda] Vs teams like Deportivo, Almeria, Hercules, Celta Vigo etc...

Arquitecto wrote:

Khaledbarca wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:First, I really really do NOT see at all how Montoya and especially Deulofeu are above Montoya as Sarabia has proven to be more influential in the teams he plays along especially for the younger Espana teams. Montoya and Deulofeu have been doing it in the segunda and don't deserve such praise.


As for the rest, I would put Iker above Thiago, but would completely understand on why he is first. Also, I don't understand how Jese and especially Morata aren't in there.

didn't u contradict your self in this comment?

Jese? Morata? they are playing in 3rd division.. didn't have a single appearance this season with 1st team ! So?

at least Deulofeu (17) & Montoya (20) are playing in 2nd division [Segunda] Vs teams like Deportivo, Almeria, Hercules, Celta Vigo etc...

Funny, cause I remember real madrid Castilla competing in the Segunda.

Don't know where you got your facts from.

Khaledbarca wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:

Khaledbarca wrote:

Arquitecto wrote:First, I really really do NOT see at all how Montoya and especially Deulofeu are above Montoya as Sarabia has proven to be more influential in the teams he plays along especially for the younger Espana teams. Montoya and Deulofeu have been doing it in the segunda and don't deserve such praise.


As for the rest, I would put Iker above Thiago, but would completely understand on why he is first. Also, I don't understand how Jese and especially Morata aren't in there.

didn't u contradict your self in this comment?

Jese? Morata? they are playing in 3rd division.. didn't have a single appearance this season with 1st team ! So?

at least Deulofeu (17) & Montoya (20) are playing in 2nd division [Segunda] Vs teams like Deportivo, Almeria, Hercules, Celta Vigo etc...

Funny, cause I remember real madrid Castilla competing in the Segunda.

Don't know where you got your facts from.

Segunda B===> 3rd Division!! [ 1 of 8o teams]
http://www.marca.com/estadisticas/futbol/segundab/grupo_1/

Barcelona B are competing in Segunda A ===> 2nd Division ! [ 1 of 22 teams]
Link: http://www.marca.com/estadisticas/futbol/segunda/clasificacion.html




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