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Giggity5313 wrote:How is juggling disrespectful? I guess ronaldinho deserves to be shot.

punkfusion1992 wrote:its the stuck-upness of fans and players that dictates that juggling is disrespectful

honestly how is skill considered disrespectful?
i bet those players are just mad...

nah of course it's not disrespectful, that's why kerlon got assaulted for doing it and nani got criticised by his own manager

are you seriously that ignorant?

Give me a good reason then genius.

Mr Nick09 wrote:It's incredible, this guy only thinks about himself. We are playing a complicated tie against a dangerous malaga side, and instead of laying it off nice and easy for benzema to bury the game, he plays selfish and misses twice.

Unbelievable, someone wake him please, he is getting outplayed by his own team mates this season, dont let the goals fool you, he is not that good this season.

Unbef*ckinglievable, second best player in the world my arse. Top players make the people around them better, they just dont rack up goals, and call people who criticize them ignorant of football.

you sir needs to wake up, or gtfo with that attitude.

That was an example of how good was Cristiano's performance this season, yes he was scoring goals, but he's overall performance when meh, especially when doesn't score, he seems invisible ...

Anyway, Real Madrid fans are saying that Cristiano Ronaldo deserves the ballon d'or more than Messi?
Reason: Cristiano won La Liga, while Messi didn't..
What about Ozil, Casillas, Alonso, Benzema? didn't they win the League?

Cristiano scored 60 goals and provided 15 assists in all competition, great stats no doubt, but his overall performance compared to his teammates Benzema and Higuain was not better.. he scored more goals, cause he had more playing time, was responsible for the penalties..
About big games? didn't Benzema score 3 goals and assisted 2 against Barcelona this season (6 games in all comps, Liga Copa and Spanish Super)? Cristiano on the other hand scored 4 with 0 assists against Barcelona.. So was effective in big games like Cristiano ?

Some Stats (Cristiano vs Higuain vs Benzema)?

Cristiano 60 (46 without penalties)+15 assists in 4870 minutes. (AVG: Goal/Assist every 65 min including penalties// without penalties, Goal/Assist every 80 min).
Benzema 32+15 in 3430. (AVG: Goal/Assist every 73 min).
Higuain 26+11 in 2623. (AVG: Goal/Assist every 71 min).
Ozil 7+24 in 3830. (AVG: Goal/Assist every 123 min).

This is just example that Cristiano wasn't the most important player on his team.

On the other hand, Messi scored 72 goals and provided 29 assists.. ignore the stats, he was involved in most of Barcelona's goals, build up and created most chances in (UCL+Liga+Copa): 135 chances VS 132 (Xavi and Iniesta combined).... and most of the chances he created and assists he provided where after dropping to the midfield an acting as a play-maker.. playing 2 roles, play-maker and a Finisher (he was the most effective EVER, broke all-time record).... In other words, Messi was Ozil + Cristiano this season, this is how important he role was with respect to Barca!!

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Some realmadrid fans, are mentioning that last season Cristiano won the pichichi yet no one said he was better than Messi... Seriously???

1- Messi was the topscorer in the Champion League and played a major role in winning the UCL.. his performance and wonder goal at the bernabeu, carrying his team ...
Messi won the Liga + UCL being te most important player on his team (including great stats 53 goals + 25 ASSISTS)...

2- This season?
Its true that Cristiano helped his team to win the Liga with great Stats, yet he was as gd as Benzema, Ozil, Alonso (importance of his role), he didn't win the UCL neither did Messi.. but Messi has a great Super Copa Performance against Real Madrid, very gd performance agianst Real in the Copa.. In the League, Messi was way better on the Bernabeu, while Cristiano more effective on the Camp Nou...
(head to head this season):
Messi Vs Real Madrid: 3W, 2D, 1 L { 3 goals, 4 ASSISTS and this is what makes him special, if he couldn't score he has more solution, he can create and assist} while Cristiano has to wait for Ozil to create for him chances (2 goals at camp nou created by great final passes by Ozil).
Cristiano vs Barcelona this season: 1W, 2D, 3L {4 goals, 0 assists}.


Conclusion, yes Cristiano had great stats (yet behind Messi with some distance), but his role, the important of his role, can't be compared to Messi's role at Barca this season... Messi had to deal with Villa/Pedro/Alexis.Xavi/Iniesta all injured for big parts of the season, he had to do everything he was succeeded until Luck was against him vs Chelsea (if that tie was played 1000 times,Barcelona should have qualified in 99...)
Head to head, Messi was better, Real Madrid won the Liga, it wasn't just Cristiano.. While, Messi was the reason why Barca won CWC, SSC, UefaSuper, 2nd in the Liga, UCL Semis and Copa Final..

Ballon d'or is for the player who had the best individual performance in the season. Messi had the Best individual performance ans Stats EVER (breaking every single record, being the most important player on his team...)

Face it gents, Cristiano has a very good chance of winning Balon D'or and deserves just as much as Messi. Need I mention Gomez and RvP also has a say in this depending on how Euros turns out...

quoting myself is always weird, but i cant be bothered to repeat the same thing over and over

Mr Nick09 wrote:1st half of the season:
Messi was scoring at home, playing well, but choking away and barca lost ground. Ronaldo wasnt amazing himself, but was contributing in goals.

2nd half of the season:
Ronaldo improved his overall performances by a great deal, and kpt on scoring and sharing. Messi took over for his team when they went aol, and took his team on a crazy run.

Messi would have won it if it wasnt for the games Ronaldo played late in the season, and the performances he put in against a negative momentum to bury barca and clinch the title.

So Ronaldo is player of the year for me, at the end, his perf won the league, and i rate that a lot more.

It's either Ronaldo or Valdes for winning another Zamora trophy a 4th time

I have to say, in the course of this argument about who was the best in the league, i have thoroughly enjoyed the part where all the "Goats hall of fame once in a generation golden sons greatest of all time" players are described as scrubs to elevate Messi higher than Zeus' pantheon.

But soon we will be reminded that Valdes is the best in spain, Masch is as good as Thiago, xaviesta still owns 99.9999% of players even when sick, the son of catalunia is like jesus without the beard, Busquets has trumped Sean Connery, Sanchez is indeed Cr7 on drugs, and Cuenca and Tello are the new Remus and Romelus... or that hasnt happened yet. i am getting ahead of myself

Are people really this shocked at Madrid fans kneejerking?

back when Ozil was shit this season
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t8964-ozil

after he scores 2 goals in a meaningless game
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t21169-ozil-to-become-one-of-the-best-ever



From being 'as effective as a traffic cone' to potentially top 10 best of all time

Opinions of some on a football forum don't matter.

Just read what I wrote in this thread. I'm almost always right

Albiceleste wrote:Are people really this shocked at Madrid fans kneejerking?

back when Ozil was shit this season
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t8964-ozil

after he scores 2 goals in a meaningless game
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t21169-ozil-to-become-one-of-the-best-ever



From being 'as effective as a traffic cone' to potentially top 10 best of all time

another demonstration of why you lots should hit the sand box.

First thread is made at the end of september 2011 when Ozil was shockingly bad in his first few games.

The second thread is made at the end of the season in may 2012 when all the games have been played.

What happened in between? Thanks to my excel skills, i count over 6 months of football, over 40 games, hundreds of minutes of playtime, improved performances and sheer football joy.

I am disappointed you are unable to make that kind of simple deduction. need a chart?

Albiceleste wrote:Are people really this shocked at Madrid fans kneejerking?

back when Ozil was shit this season
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t8964-ozil

after he scores 2 goals in a meaningless game
https://goallegacy.forumotion.com/t21169-ozil-to-become-one-of-the-best-ever



From being 'as effective as a traffic cone' to potentially top 10 best of all time

Özil never was shit this season nor the last one. He was forced to play much deeper compared to previous season, thats why in the beginning of the season we were missing his talents when it came to counter attack or building up an attack. Since october he has coped of doing both things brilliantly. He has a huge potential of becoming WC, take it or leave it.

Any threads made by Xabi should not be used as evidence to generalise and dear Kizu is just being a fan i.e getting overly excited. All in all, a rather fail assessment of RM fans from our dear LM...

Doc wrote:Any threads made by Xabi should not be used as evidence to generalise and dear Kizu is just being a fan i.e getting overly excited. All in all, a rather fail assessment of RM fans from our dear LM...

This.

I mean seriously, since when has xabi represented the Madrid community's opinion? If that is the case than CR7 is the greatest ever, Higuain is gay becouse he doesn't assists CR7 etc etc

Ronaldo is a selfish Capitan

Ready after match

I BELIEVED IN HIM.

I'm a true fan.

The amount of stupidity showed by some Madrid fans in this thread makes me sad every time I look at the thread title, which used to be much worse than the current state.

Ronaldo is an unselfish penalty taker.

Senor Penguin wrote:Ronaldo is an unselfish penalty taker.

Tried to go for the glory. #cantsaveusnow

#PUSSY more like.

Senor Penguin wrote:Ronaldo is an unselfish penalty taker.

Your not wrong sir

Zealous and co....

"We wanked into a bucket and kept it for you"

#Y U FORSAKEN US#

meteormaker wrote:

Senor Penguin wrote:Ronaldo is an unselfish penalty taker.

Tried to go for the glory. #cantsaveusnow

Who guaranteed 5th penalty will be available? he was just afraid to take it

Afraid! FFS Drogba's fifth penalty was the most important in the history of Chelsea, there was as much a chance that the fifth penalty of Portugal could have been the penalty which would have won them the match or kept them in the shootouts.

Anyway like they say haters gonna hate.........

When i'm out hunting, i save the elephant gun for last and start off with the pea shooter, too. You know, in case the spit wad doesn't take down the rhino

Ronaldo didn't select when he should take his penalty, the coach made a list, I guess some people would have preferred him to have pushed Alves aside and taken the fourth penalty. smh.

Portugal played a good game and took the game to extra time against Spain, they need to be congratulated for putting up a good fight, I'm sure they'll go back home to a very cheerful welcome, they've exceeded expectation.

Lex wrote:When i'm out hunting, i save the elephant gun for last and start off with the pea shooter, too. You know, in case the spit wad doesn't take down the rhino

Does that mean if an elephant is charging towards you at full speed, and you only have time to make one crucial shot, you choose the pea shooter over your elephant gun?

considering his record in knockout competitions he would have probably missed the penalty anyway so who cares